Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

Job listings simply mean they're developing the technology (or trying to find people who will). It does not mean anything for 10nm.

People are jumping WAY ahead on that. A little jump is okay, but damn. Companies develop products YEARS in advance.

 

GT73VR is a new chassis, thicker one, with SLI capabilities:

http://media.msi.com/main.php?g2_itemId=148714

GT72VR is the successor of GT72:

http://media.msi.com/main.php?g2_itemId=148782

 

I wonder what will be the price for the 73VR, I think It will start at 3k €...

 

im confused then, doesn't the msi titan defeat the purpose of another sli machine?

EDIT: errrr I think i'm being silly?

 

One of the MSIs slipped through and is showing details on CUK USA:
http://cukusa.com/msi-gs63vr-stealth-pro-4k-021.html

First I thought it was pricey for a 1060 starting at $1999, but then I noticed the 4K display and 512GB SSD - definitely can shave off a few hundred there if there are lower configs available (which I certainly hope there will be).

Edit: Seems they already pulled it.

Edit 2: I just noticed it says i7 6700K - that's gotta be a typo right?

 

BGA are a way of saying that all components will heat more, struggle more, throttle more, be put under stress more, that BGA thingy will eventually melt and so will the entire motherboard.

I did not even knew about this before buying my actual PC, and I regret buying before asking this.

BGA means that CPU and GPU are glued to the motherboard, using solder balls. these are not very hard to melt, and are performance downers.

The upside is that BGA allows for much thinner notebooks and better aesthetics.

Cool story from Apple XD When apple were first produced, they first designed a case. A small and cute case. Then their engineers said that it was not possible to fit all the components in the case, so they gave up on some components or redesigned them. This is how BGA came into existence mostly. The forever race for smaller size, for less heat gave birth to BGA. The chips have lower power versions than the desktop counterparts too, so this is how they prevent heat, by decreasing the total possible performance.

Is it worth it? Depends a LOT. Some people dont want a DTR (desktop replacement), and for those it is worth it a lot. I don't say BGA is not for some. But... it is not best for me. I pretty much need a computer, and really want a laptop with the power of a desktop, there is a segment that has this need.

Most people would be happy or not notice BGA though, this is why 95% of laptops come with BGA. Even alienware, MSI, Asus, they all have BGA CPUs and very few have socketed GPUs. It works for most.

 

don't forget the price tag for non bga systems in some markets...

 

I really want to like MSI, but their systems aesthetically look like **** and cheap looking. I just did a price comparison on equal-ish systems on a 980m and they carry a $250 dollar premium over an Asus G752 in the UK which also puts me off. The only thing putting me off the asus machine is that it looks like a pain to clean out the fans. AHHHHHHHH *Shakes fist* WHY DO COMPANIES DO THIS TO ME!

Oh GT73 comes in single GPU configurations. HMMMM

 

Looking at this picture of the GT73 VR from here with a 1070 card in the MXM slot, have a look at the red highlighted portions, and that port at below is it on the GPU or the Mobo ? If It's on the Mobo the older 3.0b machines are SOL.

Edit : But from close inspection I think the GPU PCB is 3.0b, there's a slight difference of the PCB overlap on the left red box where this another screw upside of screw #3 of heatsink check the PCB layout there..

 

Oh yeah... BGA is also cheap to make at this point.

It's mostly a perfect solution for people who don't spend that much on laptops. It's just, maybe a let down on very expensive machines, but then again, most laptopy makers recommend changing the display after 5-6 years, which is how much BGA solder should resist to true wear. It's not that weak, but when enthusiast, you get to dislike it strongly.

Ask brother @Papusan more about BGA. He can enlighten on why to not get it.

If someone has 2000 USD, or even 1000 USD, in most countries you can get a Clevo with non BGA CPU. Which would be a good idea. GPU does not heat that much (~70-80 C), but CPU can reach 95-98 C with BGA.

MSI and Asus both are great players. And so is Acer with their predator series.

MSI is more expensive sometimes, because they can offer HK instead of HQ CPUs and they have the 2 generation upgrade plan promise.

GPU is not BGA on some MSI models, so there are reasons to consider MSI, if you want to pay the extra.

From all of them, I really need to go with clevo right now, but am not necessarily bashing everything else. Though carrying two power bricks seems... painful right now lol.

 

I don't know where you guys live but in the UK the selling of laptop components here doesn't exist so it's BGA or nothing. ^ Is there a delete button for that?

 

Just contact a UK based reseller or look on ebay.

 

He's right. 8 more hours for the countdown for MSi. Says on their site Aug. 15, 2016 21:00(9:00 PM) PST. Their countdown is such a troll xD
http://time.is/PST

 

- Found 1 for $1,099.99 imported from USA which I have to pay import taxes for adding another $242.80 . With that much money I could just buy another laptop. ???

 

Yup, mobile cards are crazy expensive as they are not traded in retail stores and manufactured in lower quantities. Resellers could give you a better price. I am fairly certain that now that pascal is out they will like to get rid of the Maxwell cards (which are now not produced anymore).

 

Think someone said this before but I personally rather just sell my current machine and buy a new laptop using the money than buying components and playing desktop.

 

In some, certainly not all cases it can end up being useful. I for example had excruciating AMD cards in my X7200, and ended up selling the cards and getting a GTX 680M, which lasted me almost 5 years until it died one month ago. While the upgrade was expensive (~800€ for the card + heatsink + shipping from Canada to Austria), it was WELL worth it. Best decision I've ever made, though it was not an easy one given the high price. If your CPU is not limiting performance, replacing GPU(s) can save you the cost of unnecessarily buying a new notebook (in [cr]Apple fashion).

 

link?

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MSI-Gamin...hash=item33bcbfd8a6:m:mCplZv79e7VIerENpWSNeCQ

 

That, in fact, is a barebone and not only a GPU...

 

Takes a desktop Skylake chip... Interesting. Makes you wonder why MSI uses HQ and HK chips in their laptops if they have a desktop chip barebones...

 

Found this, you're welcome

 

That's a barebone laptop, not an mxm card.

 

Oop, colour me stupid.

hmm whats this 990m thing this websites got listed|? o-O http://www.ceg-hardcorecustom.com/product/clevo-kapok-nvidia-gtx-990m-n16e-gxx

- Yeah I'm still not bought in to the whole idea, rather be a chuck and buy a new machine guy.
Although can some expert on Clevo give me a quick run down on what 17th inch laptops I should be looking for on this website? All the numbers confusing me here, wanna do a price comparison for a between Clevo from here and MSI / ASUS

 

Here is Asus G502VS in French Fnac:

http://www.fnac.com/PC-Portable-Asus-ROG-G502VS-FY032T-15-6/a10013299/w-4

Seems so far the cheapest non-barebone notebook with GTX 1070 in Europe - 1,900 EUR for pretty decent config with 1080p screen, 32GB RAM, 1TB HDD + 256GB SSD, Win10 OS.

Also Asus G752VS now shows as "in stock":

http://www.fnac.com/PC-Portable-Asus-ROG-G752VS-GC018T-17-3/a9930868/w-4

 

I'm pretty sure the "990M" is the 980 desktop card, judging from it only fitting certain large-enough barebones.

 

In case any of you wondered why all the crippling:



In order to grow, it must sell. In order to sell, it must be soldered and blow-up every year or two (maybe that's the reason behind the high 9xxm series failures, who knows). What I said a week or two ago - consoles with displays.

News flash: I ain't buyin'!

Keep making fun of those console and BGACrap boys LOL!

 

Wow, that's Insane...how did this come without any bells !!

Quantum Leap ? Battery Boost, Thin and Light..LMAO !!

 

No, it's just crippled and disposable. Other than that, BGA is just fine.

Even if there is nothing to use for upgrades it is still easily serviced and repaired rather than being disposable. Kill a GPU? CPU getting weak for too much overvolted overclocking? No problem. Replace it... good as new. No need for a new mobo/CPU/GPU combo.

No, probably should get better and be even more attractive than it ever has been in the past. I'd say an eGPU makes even more sense with a super powerful DTR than it does a BGA suckbook. It will run much better than a wimpy laptop with a nice GPU. In fact, since I got screwed an cannot install 1080 SLI in my P870DM-G I'll most likely use an eGPU to pick up the slack instead of spending a ton of money on a system to replace my 2.5 month old obsolete P870DM-G.

I hope it is not a typo. I'd be really happy to see MSI finally offer a decent CPU option. As long as the BIOS isn't crippled they could finally offer something true performance enthusiasts would find worth investigating. That would be so exciting. It has been kind of sad to see them so close, yet so far away.

Unfortunately, not everyone is smart enough to recognize a scam. You're fortunate enough to know better. I don't care what their excuses are. An excuse is just a reason surrounded by a pack of lies.

 

And we've got more of those official Pascal slides unleashed

These are probably the most interesting ones (avg gaming performance at ~1.7x Maxwell equivalents + list of notebook OEMs -> many more than were in the leaks):

Spoiler: Notebook Pascal GPU slides

 

Facepalm. How can they still use the word "Quantum leap" to refer to a big jump - when it literally means the smallest possible change of state.

 

Whoa Msi with desktop chip is very exciting

Then I read that battery boost is refined and start wondering what is that and feel let down again XD

 

Not likely. Those wont work in Alienware system, or anything else not designed for 980 desktop GPUs on MXM. They require an extra power cable to the GPU, just like a desktop GPU does.

 

It target's the Win10 populace, click-bait buzzword & they are like - Wow, Amazing, GG what not.. meh Stupid nGreedia & Stupid dumb iSheeple flock.

 

Is it me or the msi countdown just restarted for 12 hours ?

 

I'm really curious about all those OEMs which were listed - the first mention ever about Pascal GPU for these: Gigabyte, Alienware, EVGA, Lenovo, Razer, HP, Acer.

Razer even got its own slide (VR one). So they definitely dared to put GTX 1060 there, and it's listed as 18 mm / 4 lbs, so seems to be exactly the same chassis as before.

 

That's why the site only offers this mysterious card for the P870DM and P775DM and no Alienware notebooks, unlike the 980M which offers Alienware options.

 

Is anyone gonna do a laptop comparison page / what laptop I should buy pascal edition once we get all the information about what's on offer? I'm getting pretty excited. :0

 

it's even better in Poland, it just shows 0:0:0 xD

edit
yep, turned into 12h countdown now

 

Have you ever seen a so-called unlocked BGA processor at 4.5 GHz or higher 24/7 in any laptop? Have you seen such a BGA run smoothly 4.5 / 4.6 GHz at stock voltage like their Desktop K brother can manage? Maybe this says something about the binning from Intel? What about this <high end> 6700Hq? fully locked 3.1 GHz at 4 cores. This is trash / garbage that should have been used in low end cheap 12/14 inches laptops without dGPU and not in expensive 15/17/18 inch laptops that comes with the best from Nvidia!! People who buy this Crap can't expect better if they still want support Junk!! Lower sales will push OEM's and hardware manufacturers to make changes. It's up to you what you get/want!!

 

It's easy for some of us. If it has BGA that gets immediately scratched off the list. Whatever remains is the viable option. The resulting list can be counted on one hand with leftover digits.

 

In that videocardz slide it says First ever 25x14 displays- do we have any idea who's selling that?

 

BGA hate train is here, again. I dunno how you guys can say BGA is crippled/disposable, when in the end, your MXM GPUs are all BGA anyway, rarely even have backwards compatibility and end up costing more than an entire motherboard (mine is US$250).

In Singapore, an entirely socketed P750DM (sold by Aftershock, which already has the most value for money out of all the other notebook sellers here) costs above S$2500. The median wage here is S$4500.

It's not worth it. I can purchase a P650RG, that has roughly equal performance to a P750DM for about S$700 less.

I love how everyone ends up circlejerking to sockets when you guys have to ditch your beloved P870DMs for a new P870DM2/3 if you want the latest GPUs now, or in the future, when a new LGA socket and CPU are released.

Sockets are upgradeable while BGA is disposable? Bullcrap; your sockets are just as 'disposable' as any BGA machine. I accept that repairs are simpler with sockets, but neither has a lifespan advantage over the other.

Finally, if Intel chooses to dispense with sockets, what are we going to do? What can we do? We still need computers to play games, develop software and all. Are we going to move to mainframe supercomputers?

Does anyone here have a billion bucks to spare for an IBM Watson?

 

Let's rather excitedly update each other with Pascal News just a few more hours guys.

 

The only thing left for me to be curious about is pricing.

 

Notebook at that particular slide looked like Aorus chassis.

 

Can you please show me a BGA machine with unlocked BGA who can manage ^^^ what I talked about in previous post? We don't talk only about graphics!! Unlocked i7 should gain better than +-4,1 GHz on 1 core 24/7/365.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/where-are-the-new-alienwares.794274/page-6#post-10315030

 

What's weird is that there have been 1440p displays already, haven't there? The Alienware 13 OLED for one...

 

The most curious thing there for me was the first time ever hearing about Hasee:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hasee

Anybody had any experience with their notebooks?

They kinda look like Clevos, but seems Hasee is the real manufacturer, with factories and stuff. So not sure if it's Hasee making HW for Clevo, or Clevo making HW for Hasee, or just Hasee doing copy-cats



http://www.hasee.com/en/pro_main.aspx?nodecode=105002003002&id=100000021235589&typeid=100001