Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

When I traveling between Costa Rica and Ecuador in the computer’s world and our best forum new information about Pascal card was updated … Coming plenty analyzes and data. And discussion for cooling system also took places.

Spoiler: first

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...00m-series-gpus.763032/page-277#post-10259802

Please no Acrylic – only polycarbonate: …Tough, Virtually, Unbreakable and Flexible. It’s about water cooling system.

Spoiler: Bitspower

http://videocardz.com/60199/bitspower-geforce-gtx-1080-rgb-water-block-spotted

Spoiler: Inno 3D

http://videocardz.com/60176/inno3d-presents-new-ichill-cooling-solution-for-geforce-1000-series

During this discussion I repeat on the forum with best way in cooling technology - vapor chamber-cooled system:

Spoiler: second - vccs

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/52117...rrive-liquid-cooled-version-2-5ghz/index.html

I think for gamer’s notebook the vapor chamber-cooled system with compact design and best fan is optimal choice. And I hope the Clevo make upgrade with VCCS in the gamer notebook for maximum performances.

 

I told everyone how many months ago about the temps? It was rushed to market. What a disappointment.

 

its not that bad though, could be worse. especially at those insane clocks, even at stock

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

Obviously it's fine for a desktop build but 1080M = 880M behavior if they release a full 1080.

 

Odd, isn't it, mine shows it in C not a %, I guess we will need to wait for our 1080's to figure it out

That's a beta version for the 1080, maybe it's a typo in the interface?

 

A full desktop 1080 would be a mobile desktop 1080, I see no problem with that

The 1080 mobile desktop won't fit into the same laptop spaces as the 1080m, which needs to fit in the same thermal space as the 980m's.

Whatever the 1080m is going to be, there needs to be a 1080/1070 slimmed down to fit the power/thermal space of existing 980m laptop slots.

 

I'm voting for "Transparent Aluminum", it's old school, but tough:

Aluminium oxynitride (ALON)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_oxynitride

Yes, it really exists now

Spoiler: Star Trek IV The Voyage Home Transparent Aluminum Scene

Star Trek IV The Voyage Home Transparent Aluminum Scene "Hello Computer"

Spoiler: Surmet's ALON® Transparent Armor 50 Caliber Test

Spoiler: Star Trek Tech: US Navy Reveals Transparent Aluminum

Transparent Armor from NRL; Spinel Could Also Ruggedize Your Smart Phone
http://www.nrl.navy.mil/media/news-...-spinel-could-also-ruggedize-your-smart-phone

Synthetic spinel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinel

 

Hello liquid cooled laptops.

 

I knew Asus wouldn't be wasting time on water-cooling in a laptop unless they thought it had long legs.

I wonder what the Asus GX1080 will be like?

 

Sorted

 

Too bad they didn't post numbers

All I found is this partial submersion test:

 

lol everyone craps on my 880m. first gaming pc ever and i got the unlucky infamous gpu that im still paying off on a credit card.

 

It's ok I feel your pain.

And your CPU is not 4.2GHz

 

It is possible is a 4.2ghz part. BIOS glitch remember?

 

I had them as well. Had to clock them to 836 @ 0.887v to make them bearable. I went through two pairs before I got my 980Ms so I feel your pain.

 

No, he's at 4Ghz on 4 cores. He just raised all the sliders, so at single core he's at 4.2GHz. I've had the convo with him before

 

It was faster than my 780m stock, but the 880m wouldn't OC much higher without the luck of the Undervolt.

Truly, it was too much to expect the 880m to OC much since it was a relabeled and tuned 780m.

If you consider it a binned and tuned to max OC 780m, you're golden

 

Haha, a whole new phrase for "putting it under water"!

 

You couldn't overclock?

1114MHz core, 5600 RAM - http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2681555

They were great overclockers... If you could cool them.

That was the highest I could go on my power supply... 3DMark11 popped it.

 

@Phase , @Ethrem 's talking to you

Nice OC, great cooling.

I skipped the 880m and stuck with my 780m (single), which OC'd nicely, on stock BIOS/vbios.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/2681555/fs/2105200#

When the GT80 2 x 980m was ripe with the fruit of a new CPU to match I pulled the trigger.

Then the Pascal goldmine showed up, now I gotta wait for the Rainbow to grow into place so I can harvest that pot of gold.

Hopefully a 2 x 1080

 

That bench ended at exactly 94C lol. That was in 18C with max fans and a starting temp of 32C. So yeah, not so great cooling. The 880M also failed to match the 780M clock for clock. 780M SLI at those clocks would have given a better score. Nvidia really messed up with the 880Ms...

 

The whole 880m fiasco really showed me how much contempt they have for their customers. It's easy to say 'what do you expect? ' but that still didn't sit well with me. Especially after they admitted to a problem and promised to get back to us with a fix. His name escapes me now..? The Nvidia forum damage control rat that mostly dwells in GeForce boards..

 

There we go! Mobile 1080 faster than Titan X! It would be perfect if it was 1080M, but doesn't seems so. Thus I can imagine the hype "Titan X killer goes mobile" starting at only 1999 USD.

http://videocardz.com/60211/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080m-faster-than-gtx-titan-x

 

I don't know why they think the card in the laptop that produced that result is derived from a GTX 1080, a GTX 1080 would score higher than that - I think this a full GTX 1070 in a laptop at stock clocks, that would fit better with it being on par with Titan X. Given the fact that they talk about a 'concept' machine it sounds like it's not the 1080M, but instead one of those rare laptops that have a 'full desktop card' inside them.

 

OMG!! It's like my wish came true overnight

 

(I hate it when they display graphs like that with the X-axis chopped off (or zoomed in), it completely negates the quick and easy ability to see the size of the performance gains - it confused the heck out of me and I re-edited my last post a few times because of that!).

 

They actually have a warning in the article about that:

"Friendly reminder, values start at 19800, so chart may be misleading at first glance"

Still, the graph says it all... that's a mobile desktop 1080

They said there is no overclocking, which is weird, cause the previous water cooled model, the GX100, ran OC'd when docked - maybe it only OC's while docked but just runs at stock by default...

The reason I bring this up is because of the weak CPU score. That's likely a 6820HK that's running at it's pokey stock speeds, it's not showing anything until it's running at 4ghz+.

I would have hoped they would build it with a Kabylake 7700K

I guess 2 hot sources are too much even for the water cooling

Still, awesome single card graphics performance at stock speeds!

I wonder how well the water cooling works, and how far the 1080 will OC

 

40% higher at stock than my highest 3dm11 oc score, not bad and nope, thats not a mobile desktop 1080... it indeed seems more like a mobile desktop 1070.... either that or they decided to downclock the mobile desktop 1080 variant this time... in any case, this mystery gpu gives about 84% of the 3dm11 score of an actual desktop 1080, so thats nothing to sniff at

 

Why do you say it's a mobile desktop 1080? A GTX 1080 scores 29443 points according to notebookcheck.net, and the value in the chart is showing only 20800 - that's a BIG difference and fits closer to what we would expect of a full 1070, not a full 1080.

 

That would be "Pidge" / ManuelG

 

That's awesome power. Enough to make me contemplate getting a portable beast again. Hopefully we'll see something from Clevo soon.

 

ManuelG. Possibly NBR-user pidge.

Still under your 50% upgrade-rule


And then a PSA. The quote-button works as multiquote, no need to separate quotes in three posts in a row. See example in this very post.

 

Just saw this on videocardz...

 

Finally some news about mobile! http://rog.asus.com/23312016/coming-soon/the-future-of-ultimate-gaming-laptops---a-glimpse/

 

How about a link? notebookcheck.net has a lot of content, and a simple search didn't turn up the page(s). And, 29443 sounds like an OC'd score for the 1080, with a big CPU driving it.

Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 review - DX11: 3DMark 11
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-review,27.html

Guru3d got 24867 for the 1080, and 20729 for the Titan X...at stock speeds.

The Titan X score matches closely to what Asus is showing in the graph for the Titan X, and I would assume the CPU being slower might hold back the 1080 score enough to match what Asus is showing, 21k.

It is after all a laptop fitted 1080, so it's gonna drop it's score some.

Do you think the 1070 is that close to a 1080? 21k vs 24k?

I thought the 1070 was 40% slower? That 24k desktop vs 21k mobile desktop score seems too close to the 1080 score to be a 1070 score.

Besides, why would Asus go through the trouble of putting the 1070/1080m into their water-cooling laptop?

The GX700 model had the 980 mobile desktop GPU, it makes most sense for them to fit a 1080 mobile desktop in to this platform.

IDK, it's too early to tell, but still that's a great single card score at stock speeds.

Well, I guess it isn't going to be a GX1080, as Asus has a GXXX name placeholder in the graph.

So, a GX800?

 

This looks to be water cooling ports like the GX700

 

The bit that I bolded in your post: that's the P score, not the GPU score (the GPU score is higher, I don't know why Guru3d don't list the GPU score, I think it's a bit stupid of them). I'm assuming the GPU scores are the ones that were linked in the videocardz website, as the P-score is not really valid as the CPU comes into affect. 1070 is supposed to be as fast or slightly faster than Titan X. I'm still with that being a GTX 1070 in a laptop, not the GTX 1080.

(Link to GPU score of GTX 1080: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-1080-Desktop-Review-Pascal-has-arrived.165500.0.html)

 

The P score is what Asus posted too. And, that's why I pointed out that the Guru3d and notebookcheck.net (P score too?) scores are likely with beefy desktop CPU's, while the GXXX is likely still running a lowly BGA CPU, given the CPU score.

So, that makes it all even more likely that it's the 1080 mobile desktop - it's P score is held back by the stock running 6820HK, which runs only a little faster than the 6700HQ before OC'ing to the normal 4ghz speed.

At 180w, I think it's quite doable that the 165w cooling used for the 980 desktop in the GX700 could be modded to handle the 15w higher power needs for the 1080.

Again, either way, it's an awesome score, especially for a single GPU system.

I hope MSI rolls out a 1080 SLI, but then again, I also hope they kick up the CPU into a Kabylake 7700k.

Fun times ahead

Update: Note that Asus also posted the score breakdown for the 3dmark11 P score of P20800, and the Graphics Score is 34312

 

Ah, I just looked at P-scores for the 980ti and Titan Z, and compared those numbers to that chart that includes this new Asus laptop we're talking about - they are indeed P scores then. Well, I still think it's quite likely GTX 1070 in a laptop because the Asus laptop scores effectively equal with the Titan X, whereas NVidia have said that GTX 1070 will be slightly faster than Titan X - GTX 1070 still is a better fit than the GTX 1080 regarding the performance we're seeing in that chart. Given the weaker CPU you talk about though, that will lower the P score somewhat, could be the 1080 in there...this is why I hate the P score when talking about GPUs, and annoys me a little when review sites include that figure in their GPU articles rather than using the GPU score. Given what you've shown, I'm 50:50 now on whether it's the 1070 or a slightly underperforming 1080, could be either really given the unknown quantity of the CPU.

 

lets agree that this is definitely a desktop mobile gpu but that, in turn, means that the ACTUAL 1080m will be much slower...

 

Note that Asus also posted the score breakdown for the 3dmark11 P score of P20800, and the Graphics Score is 34312

Spoiler

Nvidia said a lot of wild things, 1080 2x 980, 1080 2x Titan X, 1080 40% faster than 1070, 1070 faster than Titan X, but for all different applications and benchmarks.

Nvidia was using VR enhancements in addition to raw GPU performance to arrive at the 1080 = 2x Titan X and 1070 faster than Titan X.

And, yes a 1080m will be slower, probably about the same as the difference between the 980 mobile desktop vs 980m. We are mostly talking about fitting into TDP profiles limiting the 980m.

 

Bloody hell man, you could have said that earlier! Of course it's the GTX 1080 then, I haven't seen the Asus website so didn't know it had a GPU score of the 34312 you've just posted - of course it's the GTX 1080!!

 

Rock on Brother!!

THE FUTURE OF ULTIMATE GAMING LAPTOPS - A GLIMPSE
http://rog.asus.com/23312016/coming-soon/the-future-of-ultimate-gaming-laptops---a-glimpse/

 

That's gonna be one powerful laptop, recent buyers of GTX 980 (desktop in a laptop) could be a little disappointed! I still don't know when I'm gonna upgrade - when I need to is all I know!

 

Just imagine the Clevo P870DM with this card paired with i7-6700K, or MSI Titan or whatever is the model with GTX 1080 (Notebook) SLI

 

Looks like the 1080M is going to be playing at 1070 levels after all. Maybe better.

 

Dare we think it? 2 x 34,312 = a potential SLI GPU score of 68,624... wow...

I understand SLI won't scale 2x, but I am counting on the OC making up for the scaling loss... the 34,312 was at stock tuning.

Maybe the SLI 1080 mobile desktop won't have the same TDP, or scoring range, but still, a potential SLI GPU score over 60k would be just fine

 

Calm down everyone hahaha, lets wait for info. For all we know, asus is just using an external gpu enclosure with thunderbolt 3

 

very possible, since this has been a trend now...

 

It appears to have the watercooling ports from the GX700