Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

Also curious as to the price point of such a machine.

Currently sitting on an unopened "open box" 980 laptop unit that came at a really good price. No doubt pascal mobile is going to be great but at 1080p I wonder how much it will matter unless we start getting 120hz Gsync screens. Certainly will be good for the 4K folks..too bad 1440p never happened at the laptop level

 

correct, watercooling ports are visible, so my guess is that NV may release full fat desktop 1080 in a laptop, and i doubt it will be mobile

there's no point for Asus to release a WC laptop with a mobile GPU for 4500USD)

but that 34k GPU score may not be correct, GTX 1080 score 27.5k, GTX 980Ti overclocked 1416|7800 scores 26k

 

Could possibly be Polaris 10

Now wouldn't that would be a twist

 

It could be a 1070 connected via an eGPU or something. But I don't see NVIDIA releasing a desktop 1080 for laptops before releasing the 1060M through 1080M. That doesn't make sense... So, this is interesting.

 

Remember 980m is around gtx 970. So gtx 1080m around 1070 is not strange at all.

And people, graphic score of 32000 is not a gtx 1080, thats well in gtx 1070 area.

 

I thought it was not possible for desktop and mobile flagship to offer same performance.
Something about it causing a singularity and the fabric of time and space becoming entangled with each other and the world imploding due to it.

 

Graphics Score of 34000 (which is what the Asus laptop scored) is actually slightly higher than the GTX 1080 desktop card score, the desktop GTX 1080 scores 29418 Graphics Score in 3DMark11 according to KitGuru GTX 1080 review: http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/nvidia-gtx-1080-graphics-card-review/6/

It's at least a GTX 1080 in that laptop.

 

It's probably an eGPU setup. Those start around $4k if I remember correctly. Just build a desktop for half that and get two 1080's.

 

Well, Asus can only cook from ingredients there are. There is no GTX 1080 Ti yet, so it can only be either single overclocked GTX 1080 or SLI of some other Pascal GPU.

Given that Asus already has GX700 chassis that's watercooled and made for overclocked GTX 980, the evolution from that to overclocked GTX 1080 seems plausible.

That teaser image with those big ports (very similar to GX700 water pipes) seems to point in that direction too.

Keep in mind - this is for marketing, not a notebook that would sell any significant numbers - Asus can do whatever they want, even things that wouldn't be feasible for normal notebook - jack up the price with crazy components, let it run super overclocked / super hot just long enough to get benchmark bragging numbers, etc.

If they are crazy enough, they could even do it without Nvidia officially releasing "notebook GTX 1080".

Asus is a graphics cards manufacturer (AIB), they can have in-house expertise to "mod" whatever components they get from Nvidia for making own cards that could be squeezed into notebook chassis.

 

My 980m sli got 30k graphic points in 3d marks 11. Something is wrong here.

Something very serious is wrong with this.

 

(Probably when you overclocked your 980M's you did). But 34000 Graphics Score in 3DMark11 is double the performance of GTX 980 (see here: http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-980-Desktop.128942.0.html), so that fits quite well with it being a GTX 1080. It could also be sli like @aqnb said, also the mod that interjected in here a few pages back also suggested sli, could be sli. If it's sli though, then it's not very impressive at all!

 

If it's sli, it's the same performance like "Dekstop" 980 in sli. I have 29k score without max oc, just normal. Not impressive at all if it's SLI.

 

If the GTX 1080M really is faster than a Titan X (not likely), then I can expect the 1060M to give 1080p-1440p 60 FPS on *most* recent games while the 1080M takes the 4K crown. Nice. But as always, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

So I was not actually paying attention to what Asus said in their announcement:

Given that those numbers are supposed to be without overclocking, this should seal it as SLI (possibly even just Maxwell SLI).

 

Yes, I hope it's not 1080M in sli in that Asus laptop, that would mean only be 17% increase in performance over your current 980M sli (34000/29000*100 = 1.17) - unlikely to be sli then unless it's 1070M sli. Makes me think it's got to be GTX 1080 in there then. (And as @aqnb suggests, I hope it's not the bog standard GTX 980 sli!)

 

THATS IT! desktop 980 mobile in SLI, makes perfect sense something slightly underwhelming but securing bragging rights for asus i like that idea haha

 

Hold onto the hope for GTX 1080 in a laptop instead! ;-)

 

Case closed, good work everyone

Kinda like the cheekiness of Asus on that announcement:

Bah, so we are back to square one with no tangible leaks yet on mobile Pascals.

 

You know, to save us this 980/980M confusion, Nvidia ought to have called the desktop laptop 980 the 990M. Is that so hard?

 

Haha, I think Jaybee was joking a little (although plausible!), GTX 1080 fits the score too.

 

Well, as a consolation price - whatever notebook chassis has power + thermals for GTX 980 SLI can surely keep up with GTX 1080, whenever its time will come.

 

They made a point of claiming this was stock clocks and that this laptop will be designed to allow overclocking, but overclocked benchmarks will be provided later:

 

Pascal with less price:

Spoiler: gtx 1060

http://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-1060-256-bit-bus-vr-price/

 

Single GPU (my single brick would've died if I turned on SLI) but 780Ms could do that too =D
https://hostr.co/file/CkcYv0ZUxLH8/Screenshot1374.jpg

 

Most graphics score i have seen for GTX1080 is arround 27000, this score 34000.

 

I've only seen one, which is the one I listed a while back from KitGuru (29K). I've also brought it up in this thread that the 34K is more than the 29K that I've seen for the GTX 1080. Have you got some links showing the 27K? (The more links we can see of GTX 1080 3DMark11 Graphics Scores then the more we know what the true performance of the GTX 1080 really is on that test.). The fact that at the moment there is this slight difference between the 34K of the Asus laptop vs the so far 27&29K of the GTX 1080 adds credence that it could be an sli setup, but it would be useful to see more links of what the 1080 can do in 3DMark11 Graphics Score to add weight to this argument. If it's an sli setup then this really isn't an exciting laptop, and is either GTX 980 sli or perhaps GTX 1070M sli laptop (score too low for 1080M sli laptop I hope!). Until I see a few more 3DMark11 GTX 1080 Graphics Scores in the region of 27-29K, then I still think this could be a GTX 1080 in that Asus laptop.

 

Yeah and the temps probably weren't anywhere near as high.

 

I guess it was from leaks that came just before the launch.
http://videocardz.com/59558/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-3dmark-benchmarks

 

The first thing that came to my thought after seeing the 34K Graphics score was it has to be something ridiculous like 980 Notebook SLI. I also thought it might be possible to be a full 1080 but even that's impossible after checking it's Graphics score http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-1080-Desktop-Review-Pascal-has-arrived.165500.0.html.

And sure enough it scores similar to a 980 SLI


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Other possibilities are 1080M SLI which would be very underwhelming, but very unlikely since mobile Pascal shouldn't be here until Fall at least.

These is also a chance that this is Polaris 10, but I don't think that's the case either since AMD doesn't do desktop TDP cards and if 100-125W M490X really scores this high RIP nVidia.

 

Am I absolutely the only person that noticed this thing on their announcement " 24" laptop" ?

Dude, if they made a 24" laptop, and that tag was on their page not by mistake, might as well have put a freaking 1080 desktop in there for all we know, but why have that incredible bad external cooling ?

I mean, their water cooled laptops are the greatest fails ever made by humanity.

Why ? Simple. You cannot carry it. The best laptop can be, but if it needs to be carried in a luggage bigger than all clothes I package on a week trip in another country, it might as well stop from being created.

And I am not talking about laptop's size, but the water cooled asus so far needs to be carried in a luggage with wheels, which is not big, but rather cubic. Thick. I cannot imagine who takes that thing anywhere, it is a 17.3" laptop, with mobile BGA CPU, but still needs a huge cooler.

IF they can make a laptop from one piece, no external cooling, no external GPU, no external nothing, and make it run with internal water cooling, I can be happy.

It sure is possible, just needs better engineering and more time put towards constructing it.

I cannot believe how much money people can throw at something uncomfortable and BGA, without saying anything. That thing is not a socketed laptop, it is not supposed to last a life, yet it is marketed as the best thing in the world .

They simply added a pump outside of the laptop, and made something unpractical and plasticky. I have nothing against asking money or anything, but the design is so prone to failure. A simple freaking vapor chamber would had wrapped things nicely, make the thing thicker. IF someone carries a freaking luggage box for a freaking laptop, might as well make the laptop 1 or 2 inches thicker, no one will feel it more than that cubic box.

Come on. I carry 1 backpack, 1 sidebag, 1 sidebag, 1 shoulder bag when traveling. Cannot take that thing. Whoever needs to take his laptop somewhere, I am sure he does not need something as big as that. I totally want a thicker laptop, it won't become cubic any day soon, will it ?

 

God.

They finally figured out how stupid the big luggage box looked for a 17.3" laptop, so they are going for a 24" inch laptop.

Well, if they make it full adobeRGB covered, 4K and minimum 60Hz + Gsync, I have nothing anymore to say.

Huck it, I am buying one, if it comes with a great screen. If not, then it is even more stupid than anything I have seen in my entire life. I mean, make a huge thing, with a huge screen. If that screen sucks, and is not photo professional ready, then there is no more hope they will ever make something decent.

[It will still be BGA, 99%, so I am still not a big fan of them]

 

I dont want to defend it because they could have spend their efforts in other locations , but the idea behind it is not to carry it with the laptop. Instead you are suppose to keep it on your desk like a docking station. So while you are mobile (only laptop), you can use the throttled version of GTX980 (which performs at around 970m-980m level) but while on you desk you can use it to full potential.

 

Wow, an SLI 980, my top wish for so long I'd forgotten and replaced it with the SLI 1080

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/11108327/3dm11/11241548/3dm11/11108109#

Very cool, but come'on Asus, swap in a couple of desktop mobile 1080's and wow us all again

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ster-than-titan-x.791814/page-2#post-10260666

 

Dream on. Something would cost a lot.... full AdobeRGB is not cheap at all.

 

Clevo P870 has it in it's 4K display. IT costs 600$ more, and only the panel can be found online for 200$.

Cannot find any display at 1K price to have those things

 

Yes, now add the G-Sync Tax and add the ROG tax. And also 24 inch panel.

 

My room is a furnace, though if playing single GPU at 120fps on say... Toxikk, I could run 1020/6000 and basically sit at 92-93c and never thermal or power throttle or even crash. Was weird. My primary GPU does not like crashing.

 

I seriously wonder how will it be portable anymore as 24".

Well, screw Gsync, give me those 100% adobeRGB and I am a happy camper. I seriously think that any sane person spending money on a 24" display laptop, actually needs color coevarage, and will use it for professional photo editing.

If only I can find an under 1K $ display with 100% adobeRGB, I would be happy to get it and computer version of 1080, and I would be done with it.

I would be getting cheaper with 2X display + mini case 1080 + 6700K + headphones + mouse + keyboard + everything than a single laptop with lower specs.

 

I can easily find you one. 27inch 1440p though.

Easily one of the best color reproduction monitor on the level of eizos/etc.

 

I'm not surprised to see a notebook that's 24", to be entirely honest. They are most likely going to be built-to-order or limited in their availability. Wouldn't make sense to mass-produce a niche product such as that. If it is 24", I am going to be following any and all people whom bench and game with it because that's insanity, and I love it.

The price on that system is going to be insane, haha. Let's hope it actually houses two desktop 1070's or 1080's as an upgradeable option.

 

I'm certain @Mr. Fox would LOVE a 24" laptop.

I'm also certain he'll consider it throwaway garbage if it's by ASUS, even if it was socketed (because ASUS use custom PCBs and there is no "upgrading", only "replacing").

 

Also its ASUS...

Anyone wants a list of whats they messed up in recently?

 

No, I know they're a terrible company. Their hardware can be top notch, but their software is garbage, their support is at least 3 times as garbage, they're rather anti-consumer, and unlike Clevo, they don't let people fix what they break.

Hell, even Clevo isn't letting people fix what they break anymore. Prema's just that good.

 

I'm very skeptical because ASUS has never built a good laptop that I am aware of. The 24" size piques my interest, but so did a few things about the MSI Titan and it didn't take more than a few minutes for my interest in that thing to completely evaporate. A 24" ASUS would need to have a 'normal' power delivery system... none of this retarded hybrid battery crap... gimping on power delivery in any fashion whatsoever is totally unacceptable. It needs to have no proprietary GPU modules. If it has a stinking BGA CPU (or GPU) it will be instantly dismissed as a worthless piece of trash and I won't have anything to do with it. It must have a bare minimum of 6700K for CPU, but 5960X would be awesome. It also needs to have a fully unlocked (or at least fully unlockable) BIOS. If the firmware is crippled, flash write protected, and prevents the thing from running wild and free, and being all it can be, then there is no point in looking at it any further... game over... go home. If it relies upon an eGPU, then I'm not interested at all. It needs to be 100% fully self-contained awesome sitting on my lap with nothing but AC power cord connected or it's no longer truly awesome... just a morphodite screwed up desktop if it needs to be tethered to an eGPU.

 

I have just found out recently that the ASUS x99 motherboards have been randomly overvolting CPUs up to 1.8v and frying them before...

Needlessly to say, I am not purchasing anymore ASUS motherboards until it has been released for awhile and confirmed safe.

 

I believe only Clevo can letting gift for us.

 

Well I am just glad that this 980 laptop sitting in its box is not outdated from a single GPU standpoint just yet.

 

Yeah I just recently realized that my 4790K that can run [email protected] has been pushed to 1.33v by the system BIOS on my Maximus VI Formula board all this time. It's still a safe voltage and my Corsair H100i has been able to handle the heat fine but it's irritating either way. The stock VID on the chip when it's running AVX instructions is only 1.212v so that's a ridiculous voltage bump the board has been giving it.

 

No, now please go away with your cross brand trash talk

We won't list all the AW/Clevo/etc faults everytime they do something good to take that away from them.

Please respect that and do the same.

I have had 7 Asus laptops, and several other Asus devices that never had problems. Only 1 laptop needed an RMA which took 2 weeks to resolve.

 

Etherm,

I had the same issue on my Maximus VII Hero as well where it was overvolting the CPU....same result in that it was a safe voltage handled by my H80i but as you say...it was annoying.