Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

660w on dock, that's awesome, as OC'ing the CPU/GPU's requires more power than a single 330w PSU can provide.

Asus will likely say it runs like a 980m SLI off the dock; Asus say the GX700 runs like a single 980m off the dock

The GX800VG would pretty awesome, with 980m SLI performance off the dock, that's as good as my GT80 SLI-263 maybe, time will tell.

More details, like the GX800VG has a mechanical keyboard

ASUS unveils the ROG GX800 laptop with two NVIDIA GPUs for maximum performance
http://www.windowscentral.com/asus-unveils-rog-gx800-laptop-two-nvidia-gpus-maximum-performance

 

Too much ASUS eGPU talk in this thread. Let's talk about Pascal.

 

It's not an eGPU It's an e-Cooler, the GPU's are inside the laptop

But, you're right, now that it's confirmed to be a 2 x 980 desktop mobile SLI it's become off topic, that's why I listed the other thread to pick up the conversation.

The Asus GXXX => GX800VG was the only laptop rumor before Computex that might have been a Mobile Pascal laptop, so closing the loop on that is important.

The GX800VG is also important because it's now the fastest 3dmark11 Graphics scoring production laptop available, taking that crown from the MSI GT80S 980 SLI laptop.

Also, the Asus Water-Cooling system is likely going to be the best solution for getting the 1080 Desktop Mobile SLI cooled for best performance.

You may laugh at the external water cooling, but water cooling is going to provide the best OC'ing potential on desktop and mobile for Pascal.

Back to desktop Pascal to keep us busy, maybe Computex will reveal some Mobile Pascal news.

Although with all the new Maxwell GPU laptops announcing at Computex, it seems unlikely.

 

It looks like Nvidia already presented at Computex 2016, today, and there is no mention of Mobile Pascal for laptops.

Computex 2016: Nvidia promotes Pascal GPUs
Monica Chen, Taipei; Joseph Tsai, DIGITIMES [Monday 30 May 2016]
http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20160530PD202.html\

A number of other articles posted about the presentation, I don't see any mention mobile Pascal:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Computex+2016:+Nvidia+promotes+Pascal+GPUs&rlz=1C1CHNY_enUS692US692&oq=Computex+2016:+Nvidia+promotes+Pascal+GPUs&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i61.587j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Nvidia CEO "Not Interested in Mobile," Touts AI Instead
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/nvidia-not-interested-in-mobile,news-22747.html

"At a press roundtable today, company CEO Jen-Hsun Huang told reporters that his company has moved away from "commodities" like smartphone chips and focused on powering artificial intelligence, self-driving cars, VR and next-gen gaming."

 

Yup, seems at Computex besides GTX 1080/1070 there was only Tegra Pascal (successor of Maxwell Jetson TX1) and Drive PX2 (GP106):





http://videocardz.com/60604/nvidia-shows-off-new-tegra-based-on-pascal-at-computex

 

So does the Asus have a 24 inch screen ? Couldn't find confirmation anywhere.

 

Let's continue over here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/rog-gx800-laptop.792168/

 

One 'on topic' comment about the Asus, is that they announced it with "Nvidia GPUs". Going from the past, that always means new generation GPUs that are under an NDA.

 

Not sure what you are referring to, but the Asus Computex 2016 video posted above, under the Spoiler, has 2 sections with Pascal GPU's, but they are both desktop GPU's.

45:10 G31 Edition 10 - 2 x 1080 SLI Desktop w/171% scaling
51:10 New Strix 1080

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/rog-gx800-laptop.792168/#post-10267026

 

I dunno, if the GX800 has SLI 980s, why wouldn't they have announced the GPU names? 980s aren't under an NDA at this point.

 

Yeah, I thought that was weird too, why be cagey about the GPU's, when the 980 desktop GPU's have been announced and released for months.

The only thing it could be is hinting that it's Pascal Mobile of some kind.

Playing against the Pascal angle seems... cruel

It did keep the buzz going, Asus and the other vendors need to keep sales going between now and the actual mobile Pascal release.

And, the OC'd 980 SLI in the GX800 might actually be very close to the best the Pascal Mobile 1080m SLI can do... power and thermal constraints considered.

 

Apparently MSI said at Computex their MSI GS 63 Stealth will come with 970m and next gen mobile GPU in october.
The source quotes itself though.

German: http://www.notebookcheck.com/MSI-GS63-Stealth-mit-Pascal.166604.0.html

 

1080M equal to OC 980 SLI? I really don't see that happening.

 

1080m SLI. It was implied in my post, I fixed it by making the "SLI" explicit.

 

1080m could equate to 980m sli? Could also have lower thermals and the same oc capabilities of the 1080 and improve battery life.

With amd releasing at computex, we may see nvidia release mobile earlier... Though it may still not be incorporated into products until later this year...

 

Sounds like the first credible info on mobile Pascal.

Source seems to be NotebookCheck folks being physically at Computex floor chatting with MSI people there. Usually things credited as "own" by them turned out to be correct.

MSI tends to be pretty early with getting new GPUs into their notebooks (only Clevo may be a bit earlier). So that would mean no mobile Pascal at least till late September 2016 (at the shelves, paper launch may come earlier).

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BTW interesting note about that new MSI GS63 chassis having 3 fans (instead of 2 in MSI GS0). That could hint they may be bracing for mobile Pascal being hotter than Maxwell?

 

Asus announced gtx 1080 sli notebook
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10376/computex-2016-asus-republic-of-gamers-10-year-press-conference

 

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I think you've mistaken their PC ROG G31 Edition 10 to the notebook SLI.

 

A Gtx1070 desktop is about 150w and can compete with a TitanX so they can made an GTX1080m that got the same consumption than the 880m (125w) ... that will give a card that will be just behind the TitanX in term of performance ...
So there is no chance than a sli of 1080m is only on par with a titanX (like in the GX800 teaser), it must be far better http://rog.asus.com/23312016/ .... and even better than a 980 sli
But what about the 1070m ? maybe that card have almost the same power than a single 980 ... so it's possible than the GX800 got a 1070m sli Overclocked ... and that could be the reason why Asus don't tell what Gpu are in their laptop. Ok, i am like you, i only speculate ... good night from France

 

http://www.techworm.net/2016/05/asu...led-gaming-rog-laptop-dual-gtx-1080-gpus.html

 

Is this incorrect? This laptop has two gtx 1080's? Boy is that a typo. And if it does, my 980 sli setup scores about 34k in 3dmark 11 for the gpu score so I don't see the performance increase

 

@mason2smart you didn't read far enough back in this thread, this was already covered several times, the last time was this morning

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...00m-series-gpus.763032/page-330#post-10266996

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...00m-series-gpus.763032/page-330#post-10267004

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...00m-series-gpus.763032/page-331#post-10267029

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...00m-series-gpus.763032/page-331#post-10267023

 

Logically for me that could the case. I've never seen the top end card released right away in SLI although in my defence I've never looked for behemoth laptops. But what if always notice was. 970m SLI. I never noticed 980m SLI at that point. From ask glow gpu point. I want the 1070m to be faster than 980. But in reality It can't. It can only be the same as 980. 70% increase from stock 6500 on firestrike would match 980.
I'll be happy with that in a 14" laptop


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I don't get it...

I am still a bit reluctant on buying Asus, and we have seen nothing about prices or displays.

 

It's early in the new releases so not much detail, looking for website product pages, nothing yet.

MSI is also revamping their 980 desktop mobile GT80S -> now the GT83, little info on it so far, looking for the MSI coverage.

MSI also has a new leaner SLI GT73, also not much info.

None of the stuff from Computex seems to include Pascal mobile, so maybe we should move this back to the Asus GX800 and MSI GT80S 980 SLI threads

 

ManuelGuzman - Nvidia - Posted 7 hours ago :

" We are in the process of acquiring an affected graphics card. So far the graphics cards we have tested with do not show this. If someone in the USA ( or if possible living near Santa Clara, CA.) has this issue with their GeForce GTX 1080 Founders Edition and would be willing to RMA their graphics card, please send me a Private Message through this forum. If you live outside of the USA, i f you have NVIDIA (not an AIB board) GeForce GTX 1080 Founders Edition card, please PM me the serial number to your graphics card. Thank you."

https://forums.geforce.com/default/...ders-edition-fan-issue-/post/4891004/#4891004

 

Pidge doing his work...

 

JayzTwoCents discusses how he worked with power / thermal throttling / temps for his stock clock/memory settings review benchmarks.

Basically, leave settings at stock except for Power Limit @ 120% (max), Thermal Throttle Limit from 82c to 92c (max), and fan speed to a manual setting of 80%.

 

[Special] Hands-On: ASUS ROG GTX 1080 STRIX Review / Test

MSI GTX 1080 w/ Custom VBIOS, PCB, & 10-Phase VRM

 

That ASUS card would look amazing with my Maximus VI Formula board. Looks like a really nice card. I wonder if he changed the thermal paste after he took it apart because those temps are rather good if he just put it back together for a quick test without replacing the exposed compound.

 

it overclock terribly....

 

Would you please back that up with some details, specifics? It hasn't even shipped yet.

It has everything needed to improve OC except for water-cooling, if it had that I would be more interested, but it should do better than the FE cards which are also air-cooled.

I have only seen those 2 AIB cards so far, with English reviews, I also saw a Gigabyte G1 1080 review non-English. I am hoping to see a bunch more AIB cards over the Computex show.

Do you have a favorite AIB card?

 

The MSI show on Computex 2016 the first mobo with Intel Z270 chipset especially for Kaby Lake:

Spoiler: Z270 chipset

Launch date november of 2016.

 

http://videocardz.com/60631/asus-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-offers-poor-overclocking

No idea yet.

EVGA obviously would have the FTW, possibly class on board. FTW looks solid... so far.

G1 is still single 8 pin. Extreme might be interesting.

Galax HOF is probably a winner if they dont mess up like they did on the 780.. might release later??

Strix often had locked voltages and arent that interesting for OC. Matrix should be better.

We will see how Zotac's card perform, apparently they had problems with using voltages above nvidia limit before, making all the VRMs useless since you cant OV it higher than reference limit.

MSI Gaming/Armor might be decent. Their lightning will be more interesting.

I am not familiar with the other manufacturers.

In short, looks like in the short term, EVGA/MSI/maybe Galaxy is gonna get most of the better AIB cards fast. I am not sure on HOF release date, but it does looks very nice.

Most likely decent short term AIB cards:
EVGA- FTW, Possibly Classy/hybrid/hydrocopper
MSI- Armor/Gaming
Galaxy-HOF???
Gigabyte-Xtreme???
Zotac-Amps!(I heard PGF might be region locked.)

 

Ok, so I read it, looked at the tables, and don't understand the problem

It's cheaper than an FE card, it holds the clocks higher than any air-cooled FE card review I have seen - at the same level as the Hybrid water-cooled on modded by Gamer Nexus.

The only complaint is that the voltage won't go above 1.25v, which is way above the 1.062 voltage limit reached by FE cards I have heard others mention.

It's also still early days, the vbios can still get modded, user level interfaces to the OC'ing of the GPU will improve.

Other than adding water-cooling or LN2, the performance seems to be the best that can be reached right now.

There also seems to be a disconnect between the 2,100 on air and the 2,400 on LN2, what changes that allows the clock to increase?

Is there a switch to disable the limit - removing the cooler I assume somehow does this, or is it a simple matter that it gets too hot above 2,100 and can't hold the OC?

Have you seen a faster FE/non-FE air-cooled card?

It may not offer the top performance on Air as on LN2, but it's right up there with the best reviewed so far, and it's cheaper.

 

Well, if the limits are part of the vbios, then it looks like adding VRM, adding power connectors, better cooling - including water cooling, may all find similar limits.

Then it is down to which AIB is the least expensive, and can reach the limits on air, and on water.

 

It overclocks around a reference card with a bad cooler. Thats just plain terrible. ASUS strix card often have the voltage issue and I am not sure its a problem that vbios can fix. I am not a big fan of strix. I have a friend who is though... I am not sure if he is gonna get the 1070 model or the 1080 model.

Its a better card than FE, yes.... and so what? FE arent good cards to begin with. I am curious now to see if pascal dont scale well with voltage like maxwell did and if it scales better with lower temperature(LN2)...

KINGPIN/HOF/Lightning/Matrix/etc are definitely gonna be better cards for LN2 if you want go that route.

Strix are usually for the quietness imo. Those cards apparently are great for the noise.

I currently have 2 pre orders on GTX 1080 FTWs if you are interested. Until I see better cards in stock, I am placing my money on FTW.

 

I didnt say anything about vbios.

Dont quote me on this, but this isnt the first time I saw ASUS AIB/strix??(Might be a different name before) cards not playing well with voltage. I think if I remember, it might be something to do with a specific voltage controller they used on this line of cards??? I have no idea tbh, but I am not convinced vbios can fix it atm.

It also very possible that pascal dont scale well with voltage at all. For Air/water wise.

 

Those FTW cards you ordered sound like your favorite cards

What model/link?

And, I agree the other cards you listed are usually the best, so hopefully they will perform as expected.

 

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX62546

Its my favorite because it have dual vbios and a decent power delivery system. Definitely overkill, just the way I like it

I will jump to lightning/classy/kingpin/HOF/etc... in a heartbeat if those cards are actually out in a reasonable time frame....

 

That looks like the best one available right now on evga.com, with similar VRM to the MSI, but only 1 8-pin @ 215w.

Spoiler

It will be interesting to see how they perform, and if any other card moving forward can break through and have a stable OC past 2,100mhz hold for gaming.

I thought someone said there were some dual 8-pin HydroCopper EVGA boards for pre-order, I don't see any available yet.

 

FTW is dual 8 pin. Look at the picture.

The hybrid and hydrocopper are both dual 8 pin. Always look at the picture on pins instead of spec sheet.

 

The chart only said 8-pin, kinda odd they don't bother listing it as 2x8-pin.

Photo shows 2 8-pin:

Spoiler

Please post a review with benches - either your review when you receive/test, or another review when you find one.

 

No benchmarks for it yet. I should have most of everything except the 1080s by the end of this week.

If you are asking for my benchmark, doubt I will have anything before June 15th.

 

Found what little there is on the 1080 Hybrid and HydroCopper EVGA boards, coming mid to late June. No pricing yet.

 

1st look FTW
Cpu H 20 as well ... interesting
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1st look at Classy​

" The GTX 1080 CLASSIFIED is definitely one of the flagship Pascal cards (alongside MSI Lightning, ZOTAC PGF). It also features dual 8-pin power connectors, but also V-check points and even more powerful PCB with 14+3 phase VRM power design which should provide further overclocking potential and make it one of the best GTX 1080 on the market, at least until EVGA makes the Kingpin Edition. Classy features three BIOS chips.This strange thing mounted on the right side is called EVGA Power Link. It basically allows you to route PEG cables to the side, allowing cleaner cable management. You can find more pictures of this thing here." (click the link to find a cable management thingy)

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@Meaker The ATX standard says that a 6+2/8pin's rated at 150w max, though most makers ignore this; we'd like to use an extra 6p (rated 75w) or 8p (+150w on tap) to feed the beast. EVGA FTW's rated as 215w (Asus Strix as 'up to 300w') & we'd like 6/8 8/8 powa pin setups if for no other reason than unlock the full potential of our powa supply cabling

Y-split cables (example dual-6p -to- 8p adapter) may add a benefit here for solo-8p cards in the 180w range as some 1080s are ... no longer 180w through one cable (+30w over ATX standard) now 90w each through a pair of cables (now 60w under standard) ... *sniff*

1st look​

"The Hybrid should definitely provide more efficient quieter cooling solution than ACX 3.0 & takes extra space for radiator. Not much officially said about this card yet, but from our short investigation this card should feature the same PCB as FTW". Do tell ...

 

Having more pins on the power input will make no difference to the overclocking due to the power numbers we are talking even when fully overclocked. 6-8 well designed phases and a single 8 pin will unlock the full potential of a chip this size.

 

That's an awesome board too, it's going to be fun seeing how all of these different levels of bumping up resources for OC'ing make a % difference in the results. Any word on ETA? Mid to late June as well?

 

What are you talking about? It hit 2025MHz at stock boost. 2GHz is nothing to sneeze at.

Either way, we are talking about going from a 780 Ti here... Overclocking won't be needed for awhile considering that my 780 Ti maxes most games at 1080p and I only plan to get a 24 inch or so 1440p LCD.