Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

Seems like the only buzz is about desktop cards! Any news on mobile Pascal?

 

We devolved into *any* Pascal news, as Nvidia presented at Computex, and didn't announce mobile Pascal for laptops.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...00m-series-gpus.763032/page-331#post-10267035

 

Whats the verdict on EVGA cards, are they well regarded? I was thinking of going with Asus when I invest in a 1070 but after having 2 960's that both failed - one in my machine and another in a friends I'm thinking of going with another brand.

Asus customer service isn't exactly what I'd call top nothch either, we both had to wait ages for replies to emails and no telephone number to call.

 

Past performance can't be used as an indicator for present or future performance. YMMV. All customer service takes time.

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All of my GPU's was / is still working after many years, and I OC'd them all. But, I gave them good power - #1 importance, I gave them good cooling - #1 importance, and I gave them good treatment - tuning them up to failure then back-off enough to run cooler than top range temps for long term use.

Most failed GPU's show up either right away, or within a week or two. I have had a few of those over the years, and return them right away - don't try to live with a GPU that is flaky, it doesn't get better over time.

I like a lot of the boards, and I don't have any particular one I don't favor.

I can't say I don't try new boards on 1st day, because I have, but I often wait and evaluate all the boards, find the top performers and best software and then wait for a sale of some kind.

The 1080 won't go on sale for a long time, so unless a vendor is trying to buy market share, we won't be able to do much better than finding the cheapest "best" board. Going from the bottom of the price range up.

90%+ of the performance can be had with any of these cards that can be tuned to not power / thermal throttle, find the cheapest one that succeeds doing this and get it.

Otherwise if you want to chase the dragon, you will spend lots of $ to get that last 5%-10%.

Will I do that, unknown, $ aren't cheap, so when I spend $ I intend on getting value from them and it's hard to do that spending a ton of $ on water-cooled top end stuff.

And, you can't assure getting 100% success by spending lots of $. I have had the best luck with full spec moderate cost boards. Great performance, but not the top, and I can game with that.

I like Asus, Evga, Zotac, MSI, and wouldn't turn down a non-name brand if it can be tuned for good performance.

The 1080 is odd, it may not respond to throwing lots of $, power, cooling - you may not get much more % improvement over a top OC air-cooled board.

It's too early to make a recommendation, except get anything you can afford and game now

 

Thanks, and I suppose you are right.

I don't intend to overclock whatever card I do get in the future as I'm not really that fussy how the games run as long as its enjoyable and not fully confident even how to properly to be honest. Anyhow its bound to be a big increase over what I'm using at the moment (AMD Radeon 7770 2GB).

The 2 x failed 960's worked ok in Windows 10 for about a week then developed a strange fault where they'd run up the fans to full speed then black screen. Temperatures were in the 30's and 40s. You'd have to hard reboot the machine and the card would then work ok for hours. Another issue was if you booted in safe mode or went into BIOS it would last about 2 minutes then the fans would go to full blast again then black screen. We were told to try the cards in other machines and they did exactly the same and were then advised to return them as it was a known issue.

I'm hoping to get a 1070 soon as I like the look of The Witcher 3 and my current cards below its minimum requirements to play!

 

You got a bad batch of GPU's, but at least you caught it right away, and got it resolved.

BTW, IDK where you bought those GPU's, but you should have been able to return them to the seller immediately, rather than work with Asus to debug/RMA them - which would have saved you lots of time.

If you do have something similar happen, next time return them and get another brand - your 2nd choice or your next choice up in cost. I have had to do this as well.

The 1080/1070 will be a huge step up for you, sounds like fun

You don't need to tune for OC, but do get to know your GPU's under load, as a little tuning at even stock settings - see the JayzTwoCents video - can help maintain stable clock frequencies and therefore stable game play by setting the power limit to 120% and temperature throttle limit to 93c.

Be sure and get good cooling in/out of your computer case, add fans as needed. Heat can build up on long gaming sessions.

Please come back and let us know what you end up getting and how you like it

 

The cards came from Amazon, they did take them back without any hassle which was good and I'll know for next time to just return them.

Roger that on the cooling, got that and a new power supply sorted so all set now.

I will post back when I get whatever card I can, and thanks for your help

 

Oops sorry double posted!

 

Get EVGA.. If I ever build a desktop with NVIDIA GPUs it will be EVGA.. Best warranty on the market and their CS is good too..

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Have a look at this - http://videocardz.com/60631/asus-rog-strix-geforce-gtx-1080-offers-poor-overclocking

I doubt we will see too much 24/7 stable overclocks on 1080 past 2.1/11Ghz. May be a little more on water.

 

Since Pascal Mobile isn't launching at Computex anyone think there is a chance at E3 or are we screwed until Fall?

I cannot believe they haven't updated the 980m line in 2 years, no way I am dumping 2K+ on such old tech. If they don't launch soon I may have to just build a M-ITX desktop this time around with a 1080, I am sick of waiting.

 

THey could jus tlaunch it without a big show. But dunno why they are late. Even in current form the 1070 for example woul dbe suitable for a laptop in terms of power draw. The cooling is a different matter though. The 1080 for example gets quite hot because of the small chip surface that needs to be cooled.

 

They have to wait until Polaris is announced by AMD.

 

Maybe announce later in June -- why do they always miss summer releases? Video games too! Always right after school starts or 9 weeks in, they decide to release....

 

Which is tomorrow- supposedly Polaris is 14nm compared to nvidia's 16 nm. Could actually give amd an edge with hbm 2 if they play their cards right and get their drivers optimized...

 

AMD will have HBM in their cards before NVIDIA, of that I have no doubt. They had contracts in 2015 before anyone else.

 

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Yeah, it's early, but this lack of Pascal mobile news reinforces what I said months ago that we wouldn't see any Pascal Mobile GPUs until at least the 4th quarter of this year.
I have talked with a friend who works for an Laptop reseller who anonymously told me the same thing.

 

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Optimized drivers for an AMD card?
When was the last time that this has ever happened right out of the gate for them?
LOL.

 

If you understand market behavior, you know they will not announce mobile before AMD even has the chance to announce desktop.

Be patient. We're close.

 

who'd blame you ...

Spoiler: Goldilox

 

Optimized drivers for an AMD card?
When was the last time that this has ever happened right out of the gate for them?
LOL. [/QUOTE]
14nm & 16nm finfet are actually the same. Its because of the packaging type that defines 14nm or 16nm.

edit: forum bug screwed up my quote. now the correct one is written here.

 

That's one sample with immature drivers and software. I wouldn't be getting this card for awhile. I'll probably end up with the EVGA Hybrid though. I have the perfect spot for the radiator in my NZXT Phantom 410 (back of the case exhaust with my H100i as top exhaust - everything would be nice and cool instead of right now where my 780 Ti ACX is pushing hot air into the case making the H100i have to dissipate more heat) and I love EVGA's warranty service.

 

That Galax HOF card looks dangerously cool so all these custom AIB cards are they priced based off FE ? if yes then WTF is non FE ngreedia said ?

 

So, I just had a chat with an EVGA rep.

FTW/SC ships in mid june. No idea on hybrid/classy/hydrocopper.

I guess borrowing my friend's quadro it is.... for now.

EDIT:

So far, cards are hardlocked to 1.25v limit even with direct circuit mods on cards. Likely to be locked down on the die. The driver apparently just crashes..

Looks like 980 ti would still have the LN2 crown. GTX 1080 might be only capable of 2.4ghz on LN2.......

Very very disappointing. If air/water cards can only do 2.1ghz....

http://forum.hwbot.org/showthread.php?s=f4248c1605534b5581bb0213c6f5f9ba&t=157414&page=3

Looks like the FE's 2.1ghz OC is very misleading again... coming from nvidia.

 

I didn't expect much. It's a Maxwell die shrink, just like I called on the spec reveal. Either way, it's a massive upgrade for me. I doubt 980 Ti will drop to a point where it's worth getting one instead of the 1080 and the 1080 Ti will undoubtedly be 1k which is just ridiculous. I may just grab the 1070 and say screw it. I just bought a new phone so I'll be paying that off for awhile anyway. Or just keep my Ti till Vega and make a decision then. My credit card should be fully paid off by August.

 

Well, now I am not so sure Pascal Mobile is going to happen any time soon...

The new GT73 980m SLI and GT83 980 SLI from MSI aren't shipping until August... that's a long way off and suggests so is mobile Pascal.

MAY 31, 2016 6:30 AM
MSI announces Windows 10 gaming laptops built for virtual reality
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...-10-gaming-laptops-built-for-virtual-reality/

"Pricing and Availability: The GT83 will become available in August of this year and will retail for $4,500 USD. The GT73 will also become available in August and retail for $2,500 USD."

 

Maybe they pull a Maxwell and release 1060m first (with the same soldered requirement the 860M had) and then give us 1080m in March? Who knows with nVidia.

 

If that is true then AMD will gain major market share in mobile if any vendor actually offers the cards. Per the Videocardz rumor Polaris 10 is 110-130 watts, you can just throw the full chip in a laptop as long as isn't running hot. That would probably be between 980 and 980ti for 1/3 the price of a 980 laptop. I would jump on that, especially if any of those freesync screens make it to clevo or MSI.

 

I do hope this to happen, AMD doesnt appear for quite long in the game and nvjdja just raped the market.

 

Clevo and Dell (especially Dell) are the most likely candidates to carry Polaris but MSI seems quite happy in the nVidia camp.

 

Isn't AMD supposed to have a live event tonight? I'll be tuning in for sure hoping to hear something good. I was hoping to replace my laptop as it was sort of a temporary thing while mobile pascal or polaris launches. Who ever beats it to the punch wins my cash thats for sure. As long as it beats out my 960m (not hard).

I also just pulled the trigger on a GTX 1080 EVGA FTW ACX 3.0 card. Pre-ordered it on Amazon, already gone from availability. Hoping it ships quickly and will be selling my 980 Ti. I know I said I was holding off, but my addiction got the better of me. Those flashy RGB lights will look great in my case.

After the 980 Ti moves onto its new home it seems I'll be rocking a spare 7850 2gb I picked up.

 

The Live Event is supposed to be today, 10pm Eastern/7pm Pacific on May 31st.:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10341/amd-announces-computex-2016-webcast

Event Will Feature Launch of 7th Generation AMD A-Series Processors, Polaris Updates and More
http://ir.amd.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=74093&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2170028

The AMD link for the Live event is inactive, but that might be just because it's too soon:
http://www.amd.com/computex

AMD has a signup to get notified on their main page, which I did, but I haven't received an update since.
http://experience.amd.com/NotifyMe/computex-live-stream/

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Nvidia has started up an information and tracking thread for the FE fan issue:

GeForce GTX 1080 Founder Issue fan issue - please share system info
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...der-issue-fan-issue-please-share-system-info/

"ManuelGuzman said:Thank you all. I think I was able to reproduce this. Working with software team to investigate."
https://forums.geforce.com/default/...lease-share-system-info/post/4891890/#4891890

 

Seriously debating on whether getting a 1080 or find something else to hold the time until GP100.

GP102 with GDDR5x is at best meh imo.

 

I don't think GP100 will be seen at consumer prices any time soon.

 

I realize that. Hence possibly GP104 as placeholder.

 

http://videocardz.com/60773/amd-radeon-rx-480-to-cost-199-usd

Polaris 10 for $199, if it really is within 15-20% of a 980ti w/out OC then this will rock and no reason for them to not include in laptops.

 

Oh man, 4 hybrids. Excuse me while I go reattach my jaw.

 

Considering they don't get bought first or go out of business. U should look up their stock values lol

 

Isn't it the same Manuel G that promised to look into 880m issues and then just disappeared? Or was it the one who got pissed off by 970 v-ram issue


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One and the same.

 

He's been around as long as I can remember. He's front line support for the forums, and doesn't do development of hardware or software, or make company policy, so don't shoot the messenger.

He has been at the forefront of a lot of customer issues.

 

It's very easy to make a change from Maxwell to Pascal. Some companies just say Maxwell because mobile Pascal is under NDA, too.

Again, means nothing. Don't rely on other companies to determine NVIDIA's course of action or path.

 

Man you just refuse to believe 4Q lol.

If everything is on target, Clevo should have Pascal in customer hands in October. The question that remains is what chip.

 

I actually do believe that, even said it a few pages back.

 

It's a simple matter of what is shipping, and what isn't shipping.

Pascal isn't shipping, and Maxwell is, that's a pretty good indicator of what is and isn't available.

Back in January 2016 people were saying the same thing when companies announced 980 and 980m shipping in new laptops around now.

"Don't worry, the companies can switch from Maxwell to Pascal quickly!!" - paraphrased

Now fast forward 5 months and those laptops are shipping now with 980's and 980m's, so.... probably what they say they are going to do is what they are gonna do, long term.

MSI has just announced new GT73 980m SLI and GT83 980 SLI laptops to ship in August. I am pretty sure that's what we will see in August, more Maxwell.

Holding out for that Unicorn moment and the Big Switcheroo never pays off.

( Do you think that will tempt fate enough to deliver the Unicorn's and the Big Switcheroo? I hope so )

 

They haven't even announced Pascal for mobile, yet, so what do you expect? I don't understand why people think, "OMG, they're shipping with Maxwell, there's no Pascal!" Companies DO NOT wait for NVIDIA to sell their products. The world does not revolve around NVIDIA.

I guarantee you these companies have already placed orders for Pascal mobile chips and are awaiting their shipment / delivery. They'll start selling them as soon as they can, but they won't be waiting for them, risking their company's financial future. It's a simple swap in manufacturing once they arrive.

 

It is easy, still have to go through full qualification and testing phrase. Thats assuming the chips run exactly the same.

 

ASUS is ready with their liquid cooling dock. Might be able to handle two 1080s @89C