Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

You really think Pascal won't make it to MXM?

 

When you see those temps on Ati cards, better avoid them. It runs 10% of core of the sun's temperature LOL!



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Not in standard form, no. At least not outside of MSI machines.

 

Fingers crossed you're wrong then. But I do sense a disturbance in the force

 

Really no standard MXM? Let's hope MSI supply their cards. Really a shame the way laptops are headed what is going to replace my M15x.....?

I guess 1070M might be the only standard MXM card then if at all. 1080M is a swollen MXM and 1060M and below BGA.

 

I'm still beating that drum that if the naming scheme drops the M, you'll be lucky to get cut-down 1070* in standard MXM-B (~100W). I seriously doubt that anyone would cram 1080 @100W, well either that, or the performance would be off, and it most likely already is, since it's cut-down as well**. As for MSi, it gets complicated. There's the M5500M monstrosity @150W^, if they were to keep their promise, what are the chances to see the upgrade @150W? They do supply new heat-sink with the upgrade after all.So, even though it will be standard MXM-B form, the power and especially cooling requirements would rule-out a handful of (older) machines, so it kinda defeats the advantage of being MXM-B format. And that's excluding the thermal density factor. Interesting times indeed.

What I'm saying is that the days of the 100W king-of-the-hill are gone (even though they are gone for a while now, since the last 3 gens are over 100W anyway). In all likelihood there will be MXM-Bs, it's just that they wont be the most powerful.

* What is supposed to be the mobile 1070, although it's still not exactly desktop 1070. I understand that the not-so-perfect chips have to go somewhere, but why the confusing naming? It defeats the whole purpose of the same name/model.
** That would bring even more head-ache in the already confusing naming, more so than the desktop mobile 980, which had like 4 versions or more?
^ Couldn't find a single review of it to see how it performs.

 

All this stress not good, man!

Here's the reason why people go PC instead of consoles though!

(same game, LOLXD)



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Such a small GTX 1070.



http://videocardz.com/61743/gigabyte-announces-geforce-gtx-1070-mini-itx-oc

 

Hoping that the 1080 (2048 core version) comes out just as small.. The 980m can already stretch to 125W on the MXM standard.
The full 980 Mobile needed an additional power source and some extra power mosfets.

 

Leaked specs of Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 (supposed to be ~15% faster than RX 480 / ~GTX 980 performance in 120 watts):

Spoiler: GTX 1060 specs

http://videocardz.com/61753/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-specifications-leaked-faster-than-rx-480

 

There's no better way to make a graph look dramatic than some x-axis magic

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(Ah, I'm with you, you just reckon they did the remastering of it too early, you're thinking they should leave it a few more years. Well, I don't mind, I played Bioshock in 2008 and Bioshock 2 in I think 2009, so 7/8 years is OK with me - those are two games that had a big impact on me, the atmosphere, story, excitement of the play, they were very immersive for me.)

 

Just got back and I don't want to disrupt the discussion too much, so I'll just put this here.

Spoiler

Yeah, but the M15x weighs a ton and has crap battery life. Of course, at the time it was made, they did the best they could. It's still an incredible machine though, and yeah it proves my point.

Um, wot? Really? I've still got an old Compaq Presario R4000 from 2005 that still works. My cousin has a metric butt ton of old Thinkpads from 2006-2012 he got off of a computer liquidator that still work great. My dad and most of his office friends still use the HP Elitebook 8440p laptops they got from their company back in 2010, and they work perfectly. And I have a bunch of family members that have netbooks from around 2010 stored in drawers and cabinets that still hold their charge and work fine.

Anyway, NBC has posted an overview of the 1050 Ti, and its supposedly going to be both a mobile and desktop card with performance on par with a 970M.

Source: http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1050-Ti.168400.0.html

 

But a GTX 950 is already almost on par in performance with the 970M.

 

At least they appear to be widening the gap between the X50 and X60 series.

I wish death upon the X65 and the X55 series - both milking attempts by Nvidia.

Edit:

I don't think it's fair to say this. The GTX 970M has equal performance with the GTX 960, not the 950. The 950 is some 10-12% slower.

 

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Reason - read the whole thread, Dark future, very thin to be sustainable, Hoping for the best.

 

lol.. last laptop

why because you cant upgrade...if the only reason you have a laptop is mxm...leave now

 

Maybe you just need a *faplet and powerful desktop now :^)

*Gotta read those doujins in portrait mode yo




At the desktop side, not looking so good. Pascal bios is locked down af as joedirt and laithan on ocn say. Maybe @Prema can help unlock bios, but no way to flash a mod bios to card right now.

 

That's quite a dark overview.

I don't want them locked cards...

Maybe they melt like ice cream or burn like fireworks if going overboard when OCing and this is why it's locked

 

I really hate that AMD now, retards put an unfinished half hearted effort to beat the green greed, they had so much time and all that for just catching upto the Maxwell with Polaris 10 what a big joke, being happy with that facebook madness of console junkware (that 1060 will blast their noob effort, time to die AMD, you deserve this) And now no more MXM reference PCBs with desktop lock vBIOS what is this, WTF is this monopolistic B$...

People are really dumb, because of their clickbait magnetic braindead-ness this is going to hell !

 

RX480 consumes power as much as a 1080 when overclocked, overdraws from PCIE, poses motherboard damage-fire hazard risk, subpar cooler, barely faster than a 980 performance, and it's built on a FinFET architecture that can't compete with the older 28nm.

Either Vega delivers, or nvidia will have complete control of the market and we'll all just get a hot BGA solder up our asses.

 

What is that even supposed to mean?

 

He's saying it's absurd to own a particular laptop just for mxm capabilities

 

That was a great chuckle. I might add that the RX 480 is not barely faster than the 980 though. It beats the 970 but doesn't go too far from there, according to the reviews I've seen.

 

Yeah.. upgrading GPUs sucks, why would anyone want to do that

 

Because it might just be cheaper to sell at a loss and get a new cookie cutter machine.

MXM overpricing is also to blame for this.

 

It draws, and I'm disappointed about that as well, not the efficiency I was expecting, although, there are reviews which claim ~110W. The overdrawing of PCIe is a two way street - the motherboard is also PCIe compliant, isn't it? I'm not saying that AMD are not to blame, but don't point finger one way without pointing it the other as well. If the MB manufacturer decided to cut a corner and not regulate the PCIe draw, who is the one to blame? The cooler is just a radiator and not really dense at that, unlike some others that have vapor chambers, heat-pipes and dense radiators, while still not adequate to keep cool. But the JZ2C's "solution" was welcomed as a lord savior, no? At least people paid $200 to get crappy cooler, not $700. Barely faster than 980... hold that thought. Well to be honest, I was hoping that they'll close the gap as well, but I wont say that they can't compete with 28nm solutions.

 

I don't care as much about the power draw. nVidia made strides for power efficiency since Kepler, and AMD just recently started. When it comes to making your architecture more power efficient, nvidia have had AMD beat for a long while now.

Polaris is an impressive power efficient evolution compared to GCN cards, but that's it. In general it is quite efficient, considering it has less ROPs, memory bandwidth, TMUs etc than their previous cards, yet manages to reach its performance target (compared to 290, for example).

That being said, once they fix the power draw issue from the PCIe port, the GPU is still great value. But AMD was always saying they were aiming for a budget card. I am not disappointed by what it ended up being. It is literally what they were aiming for. I was already disappointed when they first announced the cards. Now that they are out, I hope they focus on delivering a strong performer in the future.

 

Why is P870DM shown only in VR ready but not in upcoming pascal laptop? Does that mean not pascal for it?

 

They showcased the GPU as "Next gen Nvidia Graphics" So there will be Pascal, It will be revealed soon. I just hope they stick with the MXM 3.0B standard, I believe It should happen since they have a wide range of MXM machines and if it's otherwise they all will die in an instant, hope not. Fingers crossed..

Spoiler: This is so disturbing..

I am not impressed with non-standard MXM designs for absolutely no technical reason (TGPs are lower than Maxwell) and crippled vBIOS that even throttles its stock Turbo clocks. After all these are sold as overclock-able, so yeah great if they don't even run stock clocks...the regular dude will be happy to set 200Mhz+ and not even notice that the card runs it for like 15 seconds before falling back below stock. There is also more coming (which I can't talk about) which will restrain upgrade-ability even further...
by prema

 

Picked up a 17R3 on BB to joyri... I mean test drive. Going to see if what you guys say about BGA is as bad as it is.

 

A wise man once said "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear". That's from Mr. Fox for ya..

 

off to a great start with one scratch, two small paint chips, and one scuff on alu panel!

backlight bleed on 4k is dumb tho

 

Im curious as to what you are doing to it, to have the paint chipped already lol.
















HUMPERINO?

 

nothing

I just pull out of box and tada, scratches...

 

This has been an ongoing issue since the Alienware 18 PLS days and it seems Alienware is still incapable of mounting an IPS panel in such a fashion that it doesn't cause backlight bleed. Such piss poor engineering.

 

That's OK. A Lannister always pay their debt...

 

I have a FTW 1080 shipped from neweggs. Waiting for another custom card to hopefully replace the founder. Long story short, the xtreme gaming vr pack is delayed....

 

Yeah, They are paying their debts with BGA filth and absurdly gimped machines..

 

As far as I can tell, that's probably drivers. It is below a 390 in some cases and in others comes close to a Fury, which spanks even 980 superclocked cards (at least in non-overly-tessellated games). So... POTENTIALLY, I'm writing it off near a 980 or better. Which for $200 is great. Unfortunately, there have been motherboard PCI/e slot damage reports and I really, really, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, REALLY, do not care for such things on cards. They should have either made the 6-pin better, or make an 8-pin as standard for the card. If they couldn't get it down so low (at least at stock, leaving AIB partners the freedom to use 8-pin if desired) then they should have simply targeted it elsewhere. They quite literally sat down and said "Hi, we wish to lose marketshare, thanks. Here is another screwed up card from us with screwed up drivers despite us having working silicon for at least 8 months already, please buy nVidia, they're the best company," and went on with their day.

IF they fix the power issue (likely with a recall and card revision for 8-pin with damages paid to all those with burned out motherboards) then sure... it'll be great value. And as a budget card, I figure it's intent is just fine. But the state of the current card means I cannot allow anybody at all to buy let alone use one. It means I'm telling people to hunt for cheap maxwell cards when they want upgrades. It's being stuck between a rock (broken Pascal architecture; hot, power limited, can barely hold stock speeds in some cases, near-secure-flashed vBIOS with an unknown chance for custom vBIOSes) and a bigger rock (RX 480 burning out PCI/e slots even in X99 motherboards; far less "budget" boards that those cards would be going in normally), with no real way out. Neither GPU vendor seems to care about its public at this point; both are dead-set on insisting that everything they have is fine and will use all propaganda possible to "prove" this.

 

1080 custom bios and nvflash in progress, you'll just have to wait a bit longer*

*maybe until volta releases

 

Posted?

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050Ti and 1060 are going to be mobile successors to the GTX 950M and 960M

Another source saying mobile Pascal reveal is first week of August.

 

If true, the 1060 sounds like a good place to be at the 100W level. Wonder what the performance will be like vs the 970M.

Edit: sorry forgot the 980M is the 100W card.. the 970M is 80W

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That's the question.


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I'd love to see these so called damaged motherboards due to 480... haven't seen any pictures of it.. It is a great card, I agree probably would have been smarter to put a 8 pin connector on it but who buys reference anyways? Most people buy the AIB cards which should have 8 pin..

As for paying for the damage, when did NVIDIA pay damages for all the damage it did to people with bricking screens and of course bricking GPUs with their drivers?

 

TDP wise, I doubt it'll be higher than the 960M.

The 1060 will obviously be faster than the desktop 960, which means the leap from 960M -> mobile 1060 will be far more than double.

That's an astounding leap for those who are holding off from buying a 960M right now.

Sorry @J.Dre, you were wrong. At least I think you're the one who wasn't expecting a huger performance difference.

 

So we're saying this is a "mobile" 1060 which will be different from a desktop 1060?

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Bricking screens was Precision X and most bricked GPUs were replaced under warranty by the manufacturer. Those that were out of warranty could have been on the way to dying anyway.

Frying motherboards is a different matter entirely. AMD admitting to the power problem is going to make them liable for damages. NVidia never took responsibility for anything that happened officially which is why they stayed out of the fire. Nvidia never released a reference design that broke PCIe power spec, AMD just did. For all the things that nVidia has done wrong over the years, AMD managed to top them with the RX 480.

 

No

980M is 120-130w
970M is around 95-100w

 

Desktop 1060 leaks also mention 192-bit and 6GB GDDR5, so they seem to be the same card, thus far.