Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

That's interesting. Since the 1070 is 150W, it would make sense the 1060 would be a minimum of 100W, which is the upper limit for most notebooks. Perhaps we'll see a 125W 1065 at some point for huge notebooks?

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Or maybe they will just fudge around like with GTX 980 for notebooks, which came in different TDP variants?

There are so many ways how to confuse customers - Nvidia has been pretty innovative in how to sell different things under the same name :

- GTX 980 for notebooks with different TDPs
- GTX 860M having both Kepler and Maxwell version
- GTX 965M having GM204 and GM206 versions
- lower end GPUs coming with either GDDR3 or GDDR5

More interesting question than labels is probably which performance we would get at which TDP levels (50/75/100/125/150 watts).

 

I sure as hell hope the 1060 has a TDP lower than 80 W. Hell - if AMD can make a 35 W card beat a 965M (RX 480M), then Nvidia had better make a 60-80 W card that runs as fast as or better than a GTX 970.

 

Na I predict the 1060 to be close to the 1070m. The desktop 960 a already like for like with the 970m.
I just hope the 1070m I'd better than 1060 though because although I don't know the synthetic benchmark of a 1060. The gap between it and 1070 is big enough. I don't want to feel like my 1070m is that far away from the 1080m lol.
But I'm guessing it's somewhere maybe a bit above a desktop 980


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Bricking screens they pushed off to "not our fault". And succeeded, because the internet. I do believe when nVidia themselves DEFINITELY caused damage they got replaced under warranty, though.

 

Can't wait for the 1070m and 1080m notebooks. My laptop is crawling on the ground.

 

I've been pleasantly surprised by how well the 980M plays Rise of the Tomb Raider. Max settings (excluding SSAA) at 1080p. DX11 with VXAO at >30fps and DX12 at >50fps. Looks beautiful too.

Makes me wonder what the 1080M will be capable of... I think the days of maxed out settings at 1080p/60fps will finally be upon us

 

It never is, there's always games that come out that challenge the current hardware, they're always getting more complex - get the top of the range GPU and you can enjoy maxed out settings at 60fps for a while, until it starts to become dated, it's not a static thing of course - a never ending cycle.

 

After some point, FHD resolution will be overdone by top of the line GPUs. Similarly to how HD resolution was. at this moment, no top of the line GPU, like 980m is weak enough to not be able to play any game in HD (720p) and absolutely maxed settings.

A similar situation is bound to occur for FHD eventually, because there is 4k racing like a horse from behind. By the time 4k will be the universal most used resolution, there will be enough GPU power for FHD to be obsolete and thus supported on any top of the line GPU.

Now, we shouldn't make hopes of this happening with this or the future generation of GPUs necessarily, but it will happen, is bound to

Now, if only they could be a bit faster and do the same thing for 4k so that I can enjoy my gaming in peace, that would be awesome!

 

Wasn't wrong. A desktop 1060 in a laptop is not the 1060M. But thanks for playing.

 

Thoughs on this post at laptopmedia?
http://laptopmedia.com/highlights/n...ower-consumption-bus-width-and-memory-leaked/

Mentions 85W for 1070m and 125W for 1080m.

 

This basically cements that they are NOT the desktop parts and are pretty much TDP equal to both their Maxwell and Kepler analogues. Just stick an M on the end and be done with it already.

There's no way the desktop 1070 is 85W, i have no idea what they are smoking here. The only one you could make an argument for is the 1080 and even that at 125W is a stretch.

All said and done, we'll see how unreliable or not all this info is soonish. No matter what, I'm excited to see what will be available when I look to buy a new notebook next spring/early summer 2017.

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85w for 1070m sounds very good. Even not huge laptops should be able to handle it without much issue. And if performance is on par or better than 980m (125w) then we are getting better performance with less heat and noise.

 

Maybe same heat and noise... Because thinner models will be even more <pretty> Aka thinner than before!! To a level before laptops will be tablets.

 

I don't think the TDP will change much, if at all, for mobile (M series) GPU's. They pretty much have to change for the desktop (mobile) cards.

85W-100W for the 1070M and 120W~ for the 1080M sounds right.

 

Because a lots of OEM's love to push out Apple similar notebooks in all variations now... Nvidia is stuck when it comes to TDP. They know very well that they can't make more powerful 1070/1080 mobile cards than before. +120w graphics in thinner and thinner laptops isn't going to work very well into the long run. More noise and heat. I don't think everyone wants that. And some don't want lower end graphics either.

 

I think about it like this...

NVIDIA partners like MSi, Clevo, ASUS, Alienware (Dell) etc have invested millions and millions of dollars into designing and marketing systems to work within the thermal limits of Maxwell.

Take EVGA for instance, with their brand new SC17. They would have paid a squillion dollars to design that, and it's just now being released with a 980m.
OEM partners are privy to all sorts of inside information on things like this - at least in my industry. I cannot believe that EVGA and MSi etc don't know a hell of a lot more than they're letting on (obviously covered by intense NDA's). And assuming they do know something - I think it's safe to assume that new GPU's will slot easily into their existing hardware.

Of course, I'm talking about BGA. Because this means manufacturers can continue pumping out the exact same hardware, except with GPU upgrades. To me, the murkier question is whether we're going to see MXM modules. I personally think we will ------ later on. But that can only be based on gut feeling (although again, resellers like MSi and Clevo are obviously invested in this).

Anyway.. I think this leak will be spot on. 85W (or slightly higher) for 1070m, and 125W for the 1080m. The naming isn't important - if they decide to call the new chips 1070 and 1080, that'll just be a marketing decision. It will, in-fact, be more confusing. We'll end up having to refer to them as notebook 1080's.. or even 1080m's. The average consumer won;t know the difference anyway - they just go to their local retail and ask if it runs GTAV in 4K. And when they release a full 180W version for notebooks, it'll be called a 1080 Ti.
They will have done oodles of research on what's best for their brand recognition. If the "m" confused too many people, then they will drop it. If they believe the "m" moniker has traction, they'll keep it.

 

Looks like we're all on the same train of thought

 

GTX 1070m looks nice at 85w. If it actually uses that. An aorus x3/x5 wont be too hard with that for a traveling gaming laptop.

 

Agreed, I'll be looking for a better ~80W (1060-1070? Who knows we'll see when nvidia finally releases something and those that guessed correctly make no bones about telling us how smart they were) when I take a look at Razer's 2017. There's 1080 variations for larger notebooks, make no mistake they will exist for those that want large notebooks.

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There's a big difference there in power consumption (50% increase in power used) between 1070M and 1080M - makes me think that the 1080M will not only have more cores but will be higher clocked too (by quite a significant amount, & operating in a somewhat more inefficient place on the Mhz/voltage scale).

 

On the same note, this means good news for both camps!

More power for 1080!

Skinnier 1070 for who needs it thinner in laptops!

Is this a win-win situation?

 

Guys, Iam confused! Why are we still speculating 1080m, dont we already know how it performs from the review unit of @Mr Najsman ?
Did i miss something?

 

Who started this rumor about them skipping the mobile (M) series?

 

This is the original source (PC Gamer folks speaking with somebody from tech industry at Computex):

http://www.pcgamer.com/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-and-1080-coming-to-gaming-notebooks/

Keep in mind though that was info from June 1st. Nvidia can and does change their plans according to their perception of the current situation, e.g. GTX 1060 launch was allegedly moved ahead by about a month in reaction to RX 480.

We know that early pre-release GPUs don't have final names baked in drivers (it's all just code-names). It's possible they are still not decided on final naming scheme / they observe reactions to leaked info.

Things which should be more solid by now are TDP categories and possible launch windows (there was interesting comment about this in recent interview with Raja Koduri of AMD: with notebooks GPU manufacturers face strong pressures by notebook OEMs, they can't have the same freedoms as with desktop GPUs - which GPU available at which time is dictated by OEM demands, there is no direct relationship between AMD/Nvidia and notebook buyers).

 

Actually... Cannot find the information anymore... What was the information we had?

 

As I understand it, the information in those posts had to be removed because the company that was (is?) looking to retail the unit did not want such information being disclosed at the moment. Having that said -- and without saying much else -- the card kinda' comes close to 980 Ti output, or to put it in more specific terms, a not so grand but appreciable margin ahead of the desktop GTX 980 for laptops.

 

Thanks a lot!

Was looking for this, but could not find the page... Did not know it was removed.

But it's still a pretty neat thing, though whoever already has 980 for laptops, probably would either be looking to keep it or change to a 1080 based desktop...

 

I dunno, guys. 70-80 W outputting performance exceeding the 970 in one generation is excellent. Aka 860/960M to 970 OC. That's equivalent to upgrading a GTX 750 underclocked to a GTX 970, which is some 250% or more.

Even if the TDP limits are lower, I'm sure we can customise the cooling or do some sort of mod to jack it up. I'm looking forward to a good mobile release, after the RX 480 disappointment (sucks too damn much power for a mid-range card).

 

It seems that so far Nvidia has locked most Pascal vbioses.

Probably (this is just speculation) they have OC'd the Pascal cards until what they considered safe, and pushed all limits, then they just put a cap on what we can do with them...

It's just a personal fear that we might be unable to further modify what we can do with the cards...

 

@Mr Najsman any more stuff you can share with us about these mobile cards from what you've tested/know?

 

Why would you ask someone to violate their NDA?

@Mr Najsman already gave out more information than he should have, and was asked to stop.

Be patient.

 

If that's the case then you're right about the 1070M being good for thinner laptops, but it does also mean a bigger performance gap between 1070M and 1080M which is not a particularly good thing as forces people to buy the more expensive 1080M.

Did he show what the core count and frequency Mhz were, I can't remember?

 

2x gtx 1080 should be here by Friday, I'll let you guys know how they fare compared to Titan x

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Quite a bit of that information was available, but you know, other websites also started talking about that unit. The following link has the shader count and clocks mentioned. It appears to be slightly behind the desktop GTX 1070 in terms of performance, somewhat like the GTX 980M against the desktop GTX 970, but appears to have a slightly higher shader count than the desktop GTX 1070.

http://wccftech.com/geforce-gtx-1080-gpu-for-notebooks-specifications-leaked/

 

Thanks, just what I was asking for! Will be interesting to see where the 1070M fits in, hopefully not too far behind the 1080M in performance (an earlier post today showed the 1070M having a MUCH lower power consumption).

 

Desktop or the clevo MXM?

 

Kinda feel like the only laptop currently worth buying is the P870DM-G with a desktop 980.

But if I wait 2 months, I'll probably be able to pick up a thinner, slightly more powerful machine with a 1070m.

At the end of the day - heat and fan noise are my highest priority. Tough comparing a 200W card in a massive chassis, versus a 85W card in a thin one.

 

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Hold on a minute, gents-

I thought nVidia wasn't bothering with the 'M' series of GPUs altogether? Meaning to say for the GTX series, according to rumours, all of the notebook GPUs would be low-TDP (and possibly down-clocked) versions of their desktop cousins, like it was back in the Tesla/Fermi days?

 

Dropping the m was a rumor that wasnt confirmed by nvidia yet.

 

Even if that happens, chances are that the laptop versions would be the sane as if having m in their naming scheme. Except for 1070 and 1080, the rest of the GPUs could be fit inside a laptop, having much lower power conspumtion, but do e expect this from Nvidia or just hope for it?

I, for one, sure do hope that they would be using full sized 1050, 1060 and such in laptops, but have a personal fear that however they change the naming scheme, they won't be putting full versions of the cards in laptops.

In another order of thoughts, if we will be having a full 1080 desktop in a laptop, would be awesome!

1080 Zotac is available in Romania to be bought for desktops

Too bad I'm not building a desktop. Yet.

 

We have already full 980 in our laptops. The 980 laptop card is better performing than a 980 desktop card from some Evga +++ and Asus 980 Strix why shouldn't we se more powerful 1080 later in laptops?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-283#post-10266857

 

1080ti rumored for August launch .

http://videocardz.com/61844/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-based-on-pascal-to-launch-in-august

 

This is my fear as well. Iam not too impressed with 1080m, i am really hoping they release full 1080 in mobile. But if they are doping "m" for entire line, i am afraid there will only be one 1080 (which will basically be 1080m regardless of whatever they call it).

However there is a chance that 1080 could be variable TDP and could come in different spces for different applications. Hec, they can call it 1080 TITAN for mobile. (Ironically that will coincide with desktop 1080 Titan if the rumor below is true).
Keeping my fingers crossed.

 

I know this is speculation, but for those who have paid attention for a while, what is the feeling on the timing of 1080m vs 1070m coming out? From what it looks like I think the 1070m will be the right spot for what I want, but I wonder if it will be (many?) months behind the 1080m?

 

Rumor: Announcement in first week of August.

 

Nvidia usually announces both high-end line GPUs together (x80 and x70).

For 1080m, multiple rumours seem to point to beginning of August (paper launch) or Gamescom (August 17-21) for actual notebooks shown.

For 1070m, the most tangible info so far was about MSI having GS63 with Pascal available in October (though GS63 is supposed to come to market already in August but just with GTX 970M).

So GTX 1070M should be here no earlier than August 2016, no later than October 2016.

 

I sure do hope that we will be getting the same situation with 1080, where 980 was performing faster and better than 980 desktop, brother @Papusan , I sure do hope so.

At least 1080 desktops are everywhere now, in Romania one can get a 1080 easily right now.

Still playing around and reading everything possible on if to get a 1080 desktop, wait for 1080 laptops or get 980 laptop, or even 980m laptop (prices gone waterfall for 980m laptops). (using 860m laotop, a 980m is 2-3 times better XD)

 

Prices for used laptops with 980M, should fall to a very palatable level. Also for a brand new one... But a BGA machine with 980m graphics is not what I would recommend you buying new or used. Stay away from this bro!! Even with extended warranty...