Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

Guys any news regarding the official presentation of mobile pascal? I'm not going to read more then 400 pages in this thread that's why I'm asking

 

Really doubt that, it will kill the 1080 Sales. There is barely any competition for NVIDIA to release the 1080ti so soon. They can easily milk the market for now. I mean 1080 non reference cards are barely available as it is.

 

You could have flipped through the last three though Current rumor is some kind of announcement in the beginning of August.

 

Well, time to put the 1080 FTW up for sale once I get that..... its shipped out today.

 

This is very useful. Thank you for the answer.

 

Why would it kill 1080 sales? With no competition, they can put a high enough price for the enthusiasts and increase the already high profit margins.

 

Uhh, why release something new when you can release it later on once the market is saturated with the previous product and force an upgrade? You release it right now and a lot of people will just straight to the high end version right now, instead of the purchasing the first iteration. It gimps the profits.
Keep in mind they will release the Titan first at a ridiculous price point and then release the Ti later on at an in between price point.

 

I see it differently. Nvidia has been cornered to high end market by AMD. Right now they have two cards (1070 & 1080) to play in that bracket. If they release a third card, their bracket will widen and will attract more customers.
Also they would like to re-brand Pascal at least once. Volta is not so far so I dont think they have to wait.
Having said that, It all depends upon the readiness of GP102.

 

True that can happen.
But it has been the exact same story every year. And NVIDIA ends up controlling every spectrum of consumers (be it high end or low end). And they always release the higher end refreshes at least 10 months later. Sure it may happen sooner this time around, but look at the market, the existing non reference cards are so hard to get, why would they start to release an even better version when the existing release isnt even readily available because of the demand?

 

Yes i agree, availability is the key. Personally i dont think they have enough HBM2. Their fist priority will be to use on Tesla P100 where the big bucks are.
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We might get the 1080 TI faster than we expected....

 

It should arrive soon. Everything has GDDR5X, so there's nothing causing a delay. It's only a matter of timing for NVIDIA. And it should also have around 3450 cores, which puts it about 60%-70% better than the 980Ti, which is respectable. The 980Ti is a boss already.

My only concern is the pricing. The 1070's suggested retail price was around $350 and they're all selling for nearly $600. If the 1080Ti suggested retail price is $799, it may be selling for around $1000 until the Titan comes out (or AMD launches something to compete).

Manufacturers & NVIDIA are just raking in the cash, taking advantage of this market.

 

Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 3dmark firestrike results (~GTX 980 performance, ~8% faster than RX 480):

Spoiler: firestrike ultra

http://videocardz.com/61884/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-3dmark-fire-strike-performance

This is good news for slim notebooks: GTX 1070M is going to be quite an upgrade from GTX 970M (GTX 960 => GTX 980).

 

You sir are quite the optimist!

 

Well, the 980Ti's retail price was $649.

 

You're inaccurate about this.

First off, everyone knows a Ti is coming. We aren't going to be surprising anyone when it's announced, and no one buying a GTX 1080 right now will care or feel duped.

Second, the vast majority of 980 Ti and TITAN-X owners didn't buy a GTX 1080. All over the web people saw the performance metrics and said, "Nope, waiting for 1080 Ti or next TITAN." So Nvidia isn't at all cannibalizing its GTX 1080 market with a Ti/Titan release. The price difference alone guarantees that.

Ti/TITANs are for a much more.... enthusiastic, group of people. And those people didn't buy a vanilla 1080.

 

You seem to be assuming that most would want to pay a decent sum to upgrade for such a relatively limited bump in performance and that the prices will remain stable.

I look at it differently. If 1070 and 1080 cards cost, I don't know, $500 and $700, you can sell the 1080Ti for e.g. $900 perhaps allowing for highest possible profit margins. That price and thus the margins will eventually go down after some time due to competition, new products, etc. so it's important not to release them too late. Some will buy them when they're out at the highest asking price, some will upgrade (as obviously the Ti is not released immediately with the 1070 and 1080), some will upgrade later when the price goes down somewhat and some will decide to wait for the competition to bring the prices down further or for the next generation of cards.

 

Sorry if this has already been discussed (huge thread), but do folks who are experienced with previous GPU refreshes have any ideas on how mobile Pascal will affect new laptop prices? For example, will a laptop with a mobile 1070 or 1070M that's released in October (like MSI's GS63) cost significantly more than what a laptop with a 970M (like MSI's GS60) is priced at right now?

 

This varied throughout the time... It generally will be cheaper for the performance.. Much cheaper.

But the actual price might be bigger, yet you will be having more performance. what poison is better? I like performance

 

980 launched at $549 and Ti $100 more. So if the mark-up was absolute then $799 1080Ti is possible. However I fear that they're gonna fully exploit the "if I already have to spend $699 for a 1080FE, what's another $x for the Ti" mentality..

 

Quick question: If the rumors that the mobile pascal chips will launch in early August is true, how soon will clevo (and sager) notebooks have them ready in laptops? I heard they are the fastest in getting latest technology in. Is there any past reference, such as how fast they were able to get 980ms in laptops?

 

Did you stop reading my post after I said, "If the 1080Ti suggested retail price is $799?" You basically just said what I said.

But yeah, I'm sure they'll take advantage of it.

 

September or October.

 

First "semi" solid bit of news I've seen about pascal laptops from a reputable media blog.

http://laptopmedia.com/highlights/t...-equipped-notebook-hits-the-market-in-august/

ASUS G752VS coming in August with GTX 1070 (no "m")

256-bit GDDR5
8GB VRAM
75W TDP

Apparently, detailed specs and prices tomorrow.

 

Faster timeline than was expected. If there really is an announcement tomorrow they really kept it well under wraps.

 

Maybe someone has already posted it, but here it is the leaked benchmark of the GTX1060 posted on a Chinese forum.




Original source: http://www.xfastest.com/thread-174220-1-1.html
Sadly that it requires an account with certain amount of points to view the thread.

 

75W.. that's basically a @1070M

Sent from a 128th Legion Stormtrooper 6P

 

I think NVIDIA might just dropping the "m" for marketing reasons.
We'll just be referring to them as "desktop" and "notebook".

Which is pretty annoying tbh.

If it's true, anyway.

 

Jesus Christ. About time. The wait was so long.
Brace yourselves....

 

They made a poor decision of dropping the m naming scheme to just confuse the less knowing market...

I seriously wished they would just put desktop cards inside, and provide desktop performance instead of this.

Will this mean that we won't be seeing a 1080 desktop in laptops? We all fear the answer to this question...

Now, let's hope that those new laptops come as better than the older generations considerably so that everyone buying one will be having a great time

 

No, I'm sure they will. They'll just call it a 1080 Ti, or whatever, for some bullsh!t marketing reason ><

Unless the manufacturers have seen poor sales in their desktop 980 models. But even then, with what... 5 (?) manufacturers currently producing chassis' designed for 180W+ cards, I cannot see this niche being ignored for long.

 

Perhaps we have already seen the direction? Downscaled desktop cards. Sli will replace 200w graphics cards. Aka 17 inch laptops offered with Sli. More money on Nvidia and OEM's... Next Year offer a slightly improved version of the same chips, but with similar TDP. In the end milk more... Offer a fully chip. Then start all over again

 

Wait a min, that 3DMark score can be classified under Desktop budget card rumors of the 1060, a few pages back. So I'm not mixing that rumor with dropping the "M" and downgraded shizz cards for mobile just beacause of that laptopmedia site posted.

I'll add this too

However * IF* it happens, this reduction of one step that always existed (980M - GTX 970) and now if M makes it (1080M - GTX 1070) else would be changed to 1070N which might be a real 1070 based also a 1080N = 1080 GTX based GPU.

Isn't that better to understand and we might get a better top mobile GPU (an x80 based instead of always the x70) ? If this happens then BOOM !! AMD is dead. Period

Re-iterating those Prema's words, MXM ambiguity with that vBIOS lock B$ makes me sad.. Hope there's more positive to it.

 

Of course sales on those are low, it's an incredibly tiny niche (people who'd spend $3k+ gaming laptop) within an already small niche.

 

Hm, TDP's freaking low. However, based on just the memory specifications, the card appears to be identical to the desktop GPU. We shall see.

I hope everything else about the GPU is identical, too - then we can do some tweaking.

 

The most major improvement they added for Pascal was much higher clock rates possible. If they downclock them to keep it cool, will make tweaking harder...

 

Pretty sure the TDP number there is a typing error. Their original article on the mobile 1070 says 85W TDP, which is much more believable.

 

http://videocardz.com/61927/asus-rog-g752vs-features-geforce-gtx-1070-for-notebooks specs have been released. No ROP/shader information for the GPU, though, so we need to wait and see.

 

If the leaked prices are correct looks like the 1070 will be considerably more expensive than the 970m equipped ROG was .

Why do I get the feeling we are going to be paying 980 prices on the card above that, for what is essentially going to be a 980m successor <1080m, this is why we needed AMD to deliver...

 

http://laptopmedia.com/highlights/f...070-laptop-asus-rog-g752vs-coming-mid-august/

 

All the ports on the right side. WTF Asus?

 

Reminds me of a certain W230SS.

 

Maybe this model is intended for left handed people Maybe they also put with a mouse for left handed also? Fully package

 

And GTX 1060 floodgates are already open (available since July 19th, MSRP $249 / $299 founders edition):




http://www.geforce.com/hardware/10series/geforce-gtx-1060

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-1060-Preview-Pascal-GP106
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10474/nvidia-announces-geforce-gtx-1060-july-19
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1060-launch,32214.html
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/07/nvidia-gtx-1060-specs-price-release-date/
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-nvidia-unveils-gtx-1060-at-249-dollars

 

Looking good!

 

if it beat gtx 980 at stock then I am game

 

it is faster than gtx 980 according to Nvidia Australia Official launch here



just to speculate. as its faster than gtx 980 desktop which is also same as gtx 980 desktop in mobile and gtx 1060 consumes 120 W TDP so its highly likely that a downclocked gtx 1060 might gtx 1070m equivalent in notebooks which is really awesome at 80 W to 90 W TDP and we might see it in the Asus laptops and MSI gS73 or even those slimmer clevo 13.3/14 inchers which is really awesome.

The gpu powerful than gtx 980 in a slim notebook

 

1070m don't matter, give me the 1080 200w or the 1080-2048 sli on the p870dmg-2!

 

AMD right now