Pascal: What do we know? Discussion, Latest News & Updates: 1000M Series GPU's

Thinking about it...

Nvidia seems to pull a naming change

time to grab a 980 or 980 ti while they are on sale, people!

Knowing Nvidia and marketing strategies in general, it probably is best time to catch a 980 card or 980ti or a 980 desktop based laptop, if one does not plan on hoping on 1080, which, might and 95% sure will be more expensive than 980 desktop is right now.

 

But even a 1070 laptop will be faster then GTX 980 laptop. And you will be hard pressed to find a GTX980 laptop under the price of 1070 laptop (~$2000)

 

RIP RX 480, we hardly knew ye.

 

But you can't buy a laptop for ~ 2K that can give you a [email protected] GHz. Laptops isn't only for gaming

 

Kevin's prediction of the day.

The card we've been seeing in the "1080M" leaks, is actually this mobile 1070 that's in the ASUS.

 

I also don't believe it was a 1080M. But I'm not in the mood to speculate (aka. debate on NBR) as to what it may be.

 

4.8ghz? Maybe for the luckiest of chips. 6700k dont clock that well for it to get to 4.8ghz with any kind of consistency in a laptop cooling.

 

Not really. I have tried 4 chips so far and each hits and maintain 4.8Ghz with ease. All were from different sources. Only 1 of them was a SL binned chip.

 

Yeah I know. But we can put it down to average 4.5/4.6 GHz. What a BGA processor can do that? None or almost zero.

 

I dont know how easy it is to get 6700k to 4.8GHz, but in my experience besides gamers very few people care to tinker with overclocking.
For me the biggest drawback of mobile processors is not the performance, but the fact that these are BGA.

On different topic, i am a bit jealous how good the situation is for low-mid tier laptop owners. In my opinion with pascal and polaris, 700-1000 bucks is where I see the most bang for buck lies in the laptop market.

 

After what I've read. A lot of people who buy laptops with 6820HK tinker with overclocking. Everything else of BGA Skylake in any notebook... Is locked like a virgin!!! Aka 3.1 GHz

 

Well, I've got an rPGA (Socket G3) CPU, and the only thing I do with it is under volt and increase current limits.

I think, given a choice, most gamers would rather have an overclockable GPU rather than a CPU. I've seen increases of up to 15% with a +250 MHz OC on my 860M, that's no joke.

Once again, BGA hate for CPUs is slightly more unfounded than that for GPUs, since the latter are significantly more likely to screw up. Nevertheless, we should still have choices, which we now don't.

 

Definitely agree, but the main problem is that Intel is not releasing any high performance chips. For gaming existing 6820HK etc are more than enough. But what about portable workstation use? The so called mobile Xeons are pathetic re-badged versions of the lower end chips. (with the rare ECC support)

 

So any idea of release and more importantly price for 1080M or 1070M? 1070M appears to be a worthy upgrade if it is improved over 980M.

 

It appears that there won't be any 'M' GPUs at all, for the GTX series. As for GeForce and GT, no one knows.

 

4.0-4.2ghz on a 6820hk is really not bad. IMO 6700k/6820hk all runs a bit too hot on laptops for my liking.

6820hk doesnt seem to get the good binnings anyways so I guess it doesnt matter. I want see much better coolings on laptop. I suppose a 6820hk is fine if the binning isnt horrible on it and the motherboard have some type of bios flashback/dual bios.

For replace components yes, but otherwise for upgrading CPUs, there is not that much to upgrade on the mainstream platforms for intel. Expect 5% IPC each gen and same core counts.

Just because it doesnt have the "m" doesnt mean it gets the same engine spec as the desktop version.

 

The trend is the totally opposite. Thinner and thinner notebook models with accompanying less robust cooling. Shared heat pipes duo slimmer design is tragic!! Remember earlier could laptop models be delivered with xm/mx and weaker processors. And those processors used often same heatsink. Forget this today. + shared heatsink/pipes haven't the same good fit as two separate heatsink.

 

I'm highly doubt about the DDRAM with the gpu for laptop, if its normal ddr5 I don't think there will be a big improvement in performance as the vendors cannot OC the DDR5 that much to gain power.

 

The problem is less about BGA and more about designing a properly cooled laptop.

 

Moving to BGA has much more to do with reducing manufacturing and production overhead than it does cooling.

 

BGA make the way much easier to shrink the laptop size!! And all should know what will then happen with the cooling.

 

So the 1060 will perform better than the 980... Great to know. I was pretty close to buying a Clevo P650 with its 980M, now it seems pretty clear I should just wait for a cheaper 1060 or higher laptop to come out. I assume (unless someone thinks otherwise?) that laptops with mobile 1060s, when released, will likely be less expensive than what similar 980M laptops cost today.

 

That's not a mobile 1060. We still don't know with any certainty that there will even be a desktop 1060 in a laptop. Or it may only be so for a few brands or none.

Every article referencing this is speculative and based entirely on rumor or hearsay.

 

Isn't that good? Lighter laptop = less load, looks better, less materials required to manufacture, etc.?

It'll get better - if proper consideration is given to cooling. Take a look at the W230SS (rPGA CPU, BGA GPU) vs P640RE (both BGA), and it's fairly easy to determine that the P640RE is much better at cooling its chips than the W230SS, despite being thinner and lighter. Food for thought, eh?

 

Right, I was assuming though that if a desktop 1060 is more powerful than a desktop 980, then a 1060M (or whatever they will call their skimmed down mobile version) will be more powerful than a 980M. Is that a bad assumption to make?

 

the w230ss uses a unified cooling solution with 1 pipe for each component

the p640re uses a conjoined heatsink with dual fans

 

Mhm, easier to design/make and also reduces the size of the unit.

Would be nice to see some well cooled small sized laptop gaming laptops with 1070s, if thats even possible.

Small sized laptops dont necessarily mean bad cooling, however if you are putting too much high end hardware on it, probably its bad.

 

My point exactly. The fact that a notebook uses BGA/rPGA/LGA doesn't affect its thermal performance, but @Papusan dismissed all notebooks with BGA as having crap cooling, which is untrue.

What does matter is the actual cooling implementation and related hardware which can, as I mentioned in my post, be better in full BGA laptops than in socketed ones.

 

This assumption could be correct. But prices could out weight the situation, and 1060 laptop being faster than 980m could be untrue, and they could had made that statement only for desktop.

They still have not announced a single thing about laptops, while we have lots of 1080 and 1070 cards in stores in Romania. Can make a 1080 based desktop at the moment, nothing about laptops...

 

Put on +100w load on processor and let it run for some time in any laptop with BGA. I can guarantee you what results you will get!! Put then load also on the gpu. You know... Shared heatsink/pipes. I don't want to see the results!!

 

The i7-6700HQ, a typical BGA CPU, has a TDP of 45 W. Why the heck would I try to fry my CPU by putting a load that's more than 2X the max rated load?

I know you do

 

At least it's got that wickid ASUS style, right?



I hope I have the inner grit to hold out for Clevo machines.

 

I wonder if this is Laptopmedia's "source"...

http://laptop.bg/search?utf8=✓&q=g752vs

 

Thanks, in that case I won't draw too many more conclusions about the mobile versions of Pascal just yet

 

Don't forget that thinn laptops also contains 6820Hk. What if you get lucky in the silicon lottery and could run this cpu 24/7 with max load about +77w Oc'd? Put same time load on gpu. Do this in one of the thinner models Even Liquid ultra and God can't help you!!

 

skylake dont run over 100w even under overclocking. Unless you are significantly overvolting.

 

As far as I know even the HK is TDP locked, so not really an overclocker and that's why it wont get anywhere close to 100W. What @Papusan probably meant is that with old XM/MX CPUs one can push them to around, maybe over 150W!!! The sky was the limit and pushed as far (or close to that) made certain machines relevant for quite some time after their release (M17x-R2, M18x-R1, M18x-R2). With BGAs things are TDP limited and sooner rather than later you'll need to upgrade and that's the whole point (although seeing how CPUs "develop" lately it's not really the case anymore, but that also helps the very same older machines to be relevant this day). The corner cutting and cheaping even more is a by-product, since you know, you are TDP limited and you can't go above that, so they can design cooling barely capable of cooling, which wasn't an exception. We've seen underperforming PGA machines as well, it's just that it's much more common with BGA. Oh and heat-pipes aren't the whole story, something has to radiate all this heat and the radiators in the slim machines are, you guessed it - slim.

LaptopMedia and Laptop.bg are basically the same site, the LM being the English version, something like http://www.notebookcheck.com and http://www.notebookcheck.net with the difference that laptop.bg started as an online notebook shop (and it still is). I wonder if that ASUS is going to have 1080 on release (currently it has both 970m and 980m), or my crystal ball would be right and the 1080 would be exclusive for current 980 desktop type of machines?

 

I know this is just personal preference and gaming laptops try to look fancy.
But to me stuff like that looks totally unprofessional and I wouldnt want to be caught with that at work.
One wouldnt just limit a powerful laptop to gaming imo.
Unlike the P870DM or the old P751ZM from Clevo which all look simple, but not outdated.

 

Absolutely! I hope my sarcasm came across thick and heavy.

Seriously - the cleaner and simpler, the better. Gaming laptops are so expensive compared to their PC and console brethren, that it's actually quite unfathomable that the people buying them prefer such outlandish designs. Surely?

People on NBR forums might be a little overzealous in championing Clevo - but at least they cater to the enthusiasts who want to build to spec, replace parts, and not look like a Zero-Cool wannabe.

 

Which makes this post suspect:
http://laptopmedia.com/news/asus-ro...-shows-up-for-pre-orders-on-a-retail-website/

Lol

 

hey now, watch out who you're calling "old" here!

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

Yeah. Try run 6700K in bench with 4.8 GHz on stock voltage or even undervolting I want that silicon today. Maybe I can reach 5.2 GHz with a slightly overvolting ?

Edit. @triturbo I have seen 6820Bga can push around 77w so that BGA isn't totally locked. And yeah. Former Hotwell Mx could use wattage nearly up to the sky. Do that on slim/thin laptops today with 6820.. Forget it!! Shared heatsink/pipes will stop you long before you reach same level. If not I will eat my hat!!! People can say what they want... But the cooling is gimped on slim lightweight notebooks with BGA.

 

It started happening!

Prices for 8XXm and 9XXm laptops are dropping to the floor! Romanian stores are giving discounts of up to 400$ on mid end and low end laptops based on older generations of GPUs!

(Now if only I could find a P870 with such a sweet discount, or larger discount, that would be great)

 

I got one of these monsters only 1 month ago in with 970m SLI. I got rid of 1 970m in anticipation it will house a new 1080m or 1080 desktop once they're out.
But even using a 970m actually handles all the games I've played so far like a champ. With a little tweaking and comprise I'm usually pushing well past 60fps.

 

with the mxm's stronger vrm circuit and better cooling overall, I think you can push 1.2v on high overclock and sustain it for hours and hours

the "bga junk" below handles 1.2v fine, but the vrms overheat very fast and causes pwr throttling

 

The cooling ability is phenomenonal. I haven't pushed 1.2v but it has a Prema vbios, thanks to him making all this possible.

OT but if you like his work don't forget we gotta get behind him. There's no one in town doing these mods for us.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/prema-gift-donations-thread.793580/page-4
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For FHD it's great! In fact, except for 1 or 2 titles, 970m is overkill for FHD.

If only it were enough for 4k.

On the other hand, 980 notebook is on average about as good performing as 2X970m and whatever will follow as 1080 for laptops will be even better. Now if only they would push the release faster, and if prices for 980 desktop based notebooks would drop as fast as 980m based laptops's prices are.

All in all, as long as tech is advancing, it's a great moment for us gamers and benchers

Can't wait to see what the future has in store for us

 

If you're running more than 60fps @ FHD it's not exactly overkill. But I get you. Most games I can get around 80-100 fps which is perfect for my screen.
Then there's is the select few games that bring most machines to their knee's eg. Division, TW3 etc.
Anyway.. good times. I wouldn't be disappointed if I had to use 970m for the foreseeable future.

 

Really? What settings and what games? I'm using an overclocked 980m (see sig) and can't keep stable 60+ in FarCry 4 in ultra settings @1080.

 

Had my first test run with the sli gtx 1080s last night and it was glorious. One thing I noticed more so than anything is how long in the tooth sli seems to be getting though. Don't get me wrong I love having the option but when searching for games in my library to test it out on the only ones I could come up with were Witcher 3 and AC syndicate.. also the division. They run well but the single card performance is really where it shines most.

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