Radeon R9-M295X

cloud, this is just a troll post

this marathon international whatever crap semiconductor doesn't even exist, I googled in both languages and nothing shows up.

I can't believe you guys got trolled so hard by this LOL

 

Its said to be a new brand. thats why we can`t find anything. Thats what I assumed anyway lol.
But you could be right, could be trolling too.

 

Just a tiny update on this card:
A little bird tweeted that R9 M295X is coming out on notebooks in September.

One more month to get our hands on it

 

and just how credible is this bird that sang that song?

 

A reseller. I would say pretty reliable

 

Don't think I'm being a party pooper here but what is the point of getting AMD cards if the drivers are not reliable?

 

AMD drivers are improving, it's enduro that's the problem for notebooks, and Alienware/MSI lets you disable enduro Not sure about Sager/Clevo though

 

Be green with envy. At least AMD drivers don't set nasty hardware flags that cripple top-end GPU's to below the performance of an Intel HD 4000.

 

Yep, Nvidia's feces stink too

 

When you say improving it sounds like the base drivers are pretty poor too in comparison to Nvidia? Are they?
Also I thought Enduro was just to provide switching between IGP and external GPU... how bad could it be?

 

Enduro isn't fully optimized yet, kind of like Optimus in its early days

 

Well I dunno. I litterally had zero problem with gaming on my 8970m with forced Enduro on my Clevo. I've been running Watch Dogs with mods, GTA IV with extreme textures and Icenhancer 3 etc etc.

BUT. I got 1 or 2 problem with Enduro regarding non gaming application. The application refuses to detect the card. Adobe Premiere Pro for example.

 

Most of the problems with Enduro are for systems with Intel iGPUs. It works much better in APU + GPU combinations but I think there are still some issues that were caused by Windows 8.1 update, where minimizing some games by pressing the windows key causes them to become unresponsive after staying minimized for a few minutes. It was worse right after the 8.1 update came out, then you got messages claiming that display driver crashed, it could have been drivers, but updating them didn't really fix anything back then. I think that issue was because of something different in 8.1 compared to stock windows 8, because I believe minimizing games that ran on the discrete GPU caused the GPU in the APU to run instead while on desktop and switching between the display drivers of one GPU to that of the other caused issues, but again things were fine in 8.0 so most likely the issue is on the OS side.

As for the difference between driver quality and nVidia drivers being superior is nothing but a myth these days. I haven't used nVidia graphics for a while so not sure how good they are now, but I can at least say that when it comes to setting up multi-display setups AMD is ahead by a huge margin. Even crossfire on since GCN1.1 GPUs is much better than SLI when it comes to performance. Crossfire and SLI profiles on the other hand mostly depend on Devs so that is a different point.

 

Crossfire has micro stuttering which drives me nuts, can't be used in windowed modes which makes switching windows a pain, and AMD has shockingly high failure rates in their mobile cards.

I haven't experienced that treacherous flag that was reported with my 880s, the whole issue appears to have disappeared and it isn't reported anymore. If it was a driver flag, nVidia removed it and re-upped the driver as if nothing happened. NVidia botched the 880M, that's all there is to it and that becomes painfully obvious with the fact I already had to RMA my machine so I'm not too pleased with nVidia right now on the mobile front.

At the end of the day though, I need to be able to alt-tab which in most games means borderless window which means crossfire is useless to me. Add the high failure rate of their cards on and its a no sell for me.

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Are you sure about that bit that I put in bold? Last I read, AMD had loads of problems with dropped frames and also inconsistent frame latency issues in comparison to NVidia, those were really big problems - although that's been fixed in the drivers over the last months (fixed towards end of last year).

 

I got 7970m crossfire on my Alienware M18x R2. Should I wait for the M295X to upgrade or go for 780M SLI? Take note I just want it to use for gaming on max settings with stable performance.

 

Until 980M GTX the M295X will be most powerful card. 780M SLI and 7970M xfire is pretty powerful though. In games that support dual cards you might not see a difference. M295X is xfire would be much more powerful though, again until 980M SLI lol

 

Don't get the 780M sli, it's not a big upgrade over 7970M crossfire. M295X and 980M are the ones to wait for! (or even the 20nm versions, but who knows when they'll be released).

 

If I'm getting the m295x, do I need new heatsinks and crossfire cable?

 

How are the new drivers of AMD? More stable?

 

You've got 7970M crossfire, can you not try the latest AMD drivers? (I have no idea as I don't have an AMD system & haven't been reading anything about it recently)

For your new heatsink question, perhaps you'll only know once the cards are released, then you can see pics of the cards and work out if your heatsink would fit or not (you'd definitely need to move the pads around on the heatsink at a minimum is my guess).

 

The new drivers has a mod that makes your 7970m ute mantle. And it workes flawless

 

What is ute mantle and show me the link?

Does it improve performance on games like Arkham City?

 

I think Enduro problems have been fixed a long time ago. Its a thing of the past, not sure why people keep bringing it up.

Not sure about microstuttering and latency issues with CF though.

 

What did th problems exactly consisted of?

 

Underutilization of the 7970M when Enduro was enabled. Which resulted in lower performance than what the card was capable of delivering.

 

The only real way to deal with Enduro and Optimus effectively is to eliminate them. The technologies are not without flaws, although they have improved. It was nifty idea back in the day, but it still doesn't work 100% of the time without issues.

Enthusiasts deserve a no-nonsense approach. Anyone buying a single GPU gaming laptop should avoid any product that does not allow it to be completely disabled whenever the user feels like disabling it. You should be able to disable the Intel HD graphics entirely and run exclusively on discrete GPU. If you cannot, skip that product and find something else that has that feature.

 

What's up with the 125W TDP? What's next? A 105C "normal operating temperature?"

AMD testing facility:

 

Where did the 125w tdp come from? It was just a rumor iirc.

 

Someone posted a link to a page (a few pages back) and it shows that. It is probably rumored, though. Let's hope it remains a rumor.

 

I misspelled use. But Im in another country atm with just my mobile, so i cannot link now. but i can if u wait 3 days or so

 

No problems with dropped frames since last time I read about it, In fact I think the consistency was better than SLI. [H]ardOCP does some really nice articles from time to time, and I have seen cases where AMD Crossfire runs better than SLI even at the same average FPS. Most of the Time it outperforms SLI though so you don't even have to worry about that. This is on the desktop though, since there aren't any GCN1.1 GPUs for mobile with the exception of 1 FirePro. They fixed most of the issues on GCN1.0 cards too, just not sure how good they are at the moment, most of the reviews I have seen were GCN 1.1 GPUs.

 

I think they got rid of microstutter for a long time now, at least on the newer GPUs. Anyway I am really not into Multi-GPU configurations, especially for Notebooks, too hot, too bulky, and sometimes even too noisy. And the prices of those things are insane, thats why there are desktops. GCN1.1 GPUs have great Crossfire scaling and no microstutter or dropped frames, and R9 295X is supposed to be GCN 2.0 so even better.

 

Don't know about the heatsink but GCN1.1 cards and newer don't use crossfire bridges (Tonga is GCN 2.0).

 

What do they use?

Also, I don't see anyone in Ebay selling r9 -m290

 

XDMA CrossFire doesn't fix the frame pacing issues in DX9 games though.

 

GCN 1.1 cards (desktop Hawaii and Bonaire) have an XDMA engine and inter-card communication is over PCIe instead of a CrossFire Bridge as before.

There's no such thing as an R9 M290. There's an R9 M290X which is a third-gen Pitcairn rebadge (same as 7970M and 8970M). There are no GCN 1.1 Radeons on mobile, only a Bonaire-based FirePro M6100 which obviously doesn't do CrossFire.

 

Sorry if I sound like an idiot but if those cards (r9 m295x) don't support crossfire, does it mean that my Alienware M18x R2 does not support that card?

 

Where did I ever say that R9 M295X won't support CrossFire when it comes out? That would be absurd, seeing as it's AMD's top-of-the-line mobile GPU.

 

So will it have Crossfire or not? Will it support M18x R2?

 

1. Yes ofc

2. I have no idea

 

I've got a firepro M6000 atm thinking of getting a 6100 which is 75Watt so people saying. is the 7970M really 100watts or it uses 75 Watts?

 

7970M at stock voltage (1.05V) is a true 100W card.
HOWEVER it can be easily undervolted to 0.975V which will bring the card closer to 80W TDP. It runs very cool if you do this.

The 6100 features more shaders than the 6000 putting it squarely between the 6000/7870M and 7970M. It's relatively high TDP of 75W is due to the very high core and vram speeds it has at stock. I can imagine in notebook with decent cooling the 6100 could perform quite easily at 7970M stock performance perhaps even better at lower resolutions if overclocked. Not to mention the 6100 is the only GCN 1.1 card available for mobile. The M295X will be GCN 2.0 so it will likely remain the only one unless AMD rebadges the core as the next high mid range mobile card with a boost to clocks.

 

If R9 M295X won't support M18x just like 880M, I guess there is no point for me to wait then. I'll just order the 780M sli

 

That would be stupid cuz when the m295x arrives and be alot better than 880m the prices Will go down and who knows if it does support m18x

 

If it supports my laptop which is the M18x R2, that's beneficial for me.

If it won't support it, then what's the point of me waiting for that card? It will be like 880m to M18x R2. Useless.


Yeah, it will be a lot stronger than 780m but if it's not compatible to my laptop, it won't be beneficial to me.

So, explain to me again why it was stupid?

 

The funny thing is, the M295x will probably outperform the 880M by a good 20%, but I'd be willing to bet the 980M will come out and just blow the M295x out of the water. So, technically, it's like AMD is a step behind NVIDIA and always will be. And then AMD will probably release an M295x re-brand in hopes of competing with the 980M.

It's like I'm stuck reading the same chapter of the same book, but it's still missing a page.

Let's hope this isn't the case this year. I'd love to see AMD and NVIDIA head-to-head in terms of performance.

 

Yes i Will. The 780M Will go down in price after the arrive of m295x

 

If the M295X is faster than the 880M and has lower thermals, I'll consider it. To be honest, I've got a really bad taste in my mouth over the royal flop that nVidia made with the 880Ms and I don't want to pay 1800+ to get new cards in a machine I already dropped 5k on because nVidia screwed up -_-

 

Oh.. hehhehehehhee

I didn't think of that, brother.

Brother, once you get back, send me the link of the crossfire you mentioned.