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    Starcraft II Tips

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Duster73, Jul 29, 2010.

  1. Levenly

    Levenly Grappling Deity

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    do that many workers really help? i only ever put max 3 on each gas and 10 on each group of minerals
     
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    With 8 mineral stacks, 16 would be minimum for efficiency. 24 for saturation.
     
  3. farful

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    What Reizo said :)

    You want 6in the two gas. Most (if not all?) mineral stacks come in a group of 8. You should have at least 2 workers per mineral. Blizzard claims 3 workers per mineral is best. I personally stick with 2.5 workers per mineral or 20 on minerals. So I usually have 26 workers per base until I'm about to expand.
     
  4. Snowm0bile

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    If you keep making harvesters youll begin to see that some minerals are far enough from the CC to actually have 3 per node.

    Then you take some of those and put them on ur new expansion bc ur running low on the other.

    Rinse and repeat.
     
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    when is the optimum time to expand?
     
  6. Histidine

    Histidine Notebook Deity

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    Right before your opponent doesn't attack you.

    I think this is one of the biggest decisions in a game, and it has to be made by weighing the likelihood of your opponent finding out and/or taking advantage of your lower troop production. If you expand first and your opponent doesn't take advantage, he will pay for it later. If you don't expand first, you need to find his expansion and harass it (or his main) to keep him from getting the payoff.
     
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    Meh I expand after i defended a wave and go on the offensive slightly to keep him on defensive. That's the safe time to expand usually. Other than that, whenever your minerals seem to get low and you're not under huge pressure of being sieged
     
  8. farful

    farful Notebook Evangelist

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    I've now won my last 15 of 16 solo games (over 10 of em against diamond), rank 1 in my division, and still no promotion :( I swear this thing is broken...
     
  9. Snowm0bile

    Snowm0bile Starcraftologist

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    It depends on race as well.

    Zerg should always be fast expanding for more larvae and its cheaper.

    If terran expands before zerg, than the zerg is wrong. terran can make just about as much as zerg can make off 2 bases in minerals(excluding gas) on 1 command center.

    But yes, the best thing to do is keep scouting ur enemy and then judging when the best time will be.
     
  10. farful

    farful Notebook Evangelist

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    I think this is just something you have to get a feel for after lots of games.

    Otherwise, take everyone else's suggestion.

    I personally expand when I fail to keep my mineral below 500. Then because I have that extra mineral, I'll just expand. (this is actually quite rare - I feel most games are won before first expansion goes up, and four zealots vs a nexus makes a huge difference.)
     
  11. Tristan

    Tristan Garrosh Did Nothing Wrong

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    I'm curious, expanding.(double meaning? :p)

    Occasionally I'll make an expansion in between my base and my natural expansion at the choke point, or even skip that natural and just start one at the choke point for pure larva and creep for spine crawlers. How do I hotkey every base to one key, but make it so only drones spawn at one, roaches or zergs at another?
     
  12. aznguyen316

    aznguyen316 Rock Chalk Jayhawk

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    I believe hot key all them to one key and then tab to switch between them..
     
  13. Snowm0bile

    Snowm0bile Starcraftologist

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    Yeah, you can either hold shift or ctrl and click on the hatches, then press 1-0 to set it to hot key.

    i usually use shift first. if you want to go over a hotkey, use ctrl.

    example, you hotkeyed the wrong building, now you have roach warren set to hot key 4 but u wanted the hatch set to 4. hold ctrl on the hatch and press 4 again, then u got just the hatch on the hot key.

    however, holding shift while units selected and pressing a hotkey, will let you add something to ur hotkey if the other units arent already selected.

    does that make sense?

    I usually have all hatches set to 4, first queen to 5, 2nd 6 etc, evo 3, units 1-2

    if you have your queens hotkeyed, you can select them and inject larva from the mini map while ur battle etc. Just gotta have good aim and remember which queen is at which base.
     
  14. Tristan

    Tristan Garrosh Did Nothing Wrong

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    Well I know what hotkeys are :p I just didn't know specifics about selecting units. Thanks for the help though :D
     
  15. Snowm0bile

    Snowm0bile Starcraftologist

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    No problemooohh

    Hey just wondering if anyone has tried using the Green Tea AI?

    Its a good way to practice against a race u suck at.

    say ZvT? lol

    but still the AI does different crap every time instead of blizz AI.

    Sometimes it will open with reaper harass...and actually harass. or banshee with cloak...Like youre actually playing another person. pretty neat.

    it expands to more than one node. its pretty amazing.
     
  16. Tristan

    Tristan Garrosh Did Nothing Wrong

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    Oh definitely going to try that. Snow can you pm me your sc info? You aren't on the friends list database...or I'm blind
     
  17. Snowm0bile

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    Lol thats because I havent added myself to it yet, this network is military so it blocks that site.

    Fortunately, they just added another network here that will let me get on battle net now...but i duno bout the latency, thats why i know so much about offline crap, because thats all ive been doing.

    I played the beta ever since i got a lucky key in my mailbox, and 15 days before the game was released i got sent to africa for 8 months. You do not know the pain ive been in lol.

    The AI is fun, but after awhile you just want to play someone else. So hopefully soon, I will be able to!

    But yeah, name is Mrdeeds/498 i think is the code part.
     
  18. Tristan

    Tristan Garrosh Did Nothing Wrong

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    Thanks!
    It's too bad you can't LAN with other military guys. I'll be waitin for ya online!


    And good luck! Go troops!
     
  19. Tristan

    Tristan Garrosh Did Nothing Wrong

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    Was looking up some Micro and Macro info and found this article extremely helpful so I thought I would share it. All credit goes to imperial_guard of the starcraftzone.com community.
     
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    Snowm0bile Starcraftologist

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    Ill see if I can get on tonight and add everyone on Vicious' list.

    Im prolly going to have to buy an antenna to get a better wifi connection.

    and yeah the LAN thing does mucho sucko. There's a lot of people out here that play it.

    Someone was saying that LAN is still possible, you just have to connect to battle.net, but if youre close it will not lag or something? duno

    Edit:
    And Lol... If it's already perfect, why change it?

    News flash, nothing is perfect.

    Some people just cant deal with change.

    But I think it was Einstein that once said "the only constant, is change."
     
  21. farful

    farful Notebook Evangelist

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    Thanks for that bluekornchips. I was not aware of any of that at all. I also had completely forgotten you couldn't select multiple buildings in sc1 haha.
     
  22. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

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    Here is a easy question, how do you make medivacs follow? I Do not see a follow command and if you right click a unit to follow it will go pick it up instead.

    Another is unit formations. I seem to recall from WC3 or SC1 not sure witch that you can attack/move a group of units and set them to all move at the same speed (aka the slowest unit in the group to maintain formation and not spread out)


    With more advanced play formation of units starts to really be important, like placment of sentry for the shield, or having ghost/high templar in the middle of your units for protection. Just attack moving a group of units does not work so well.
     
  23. ViciousXUSMC

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    I do similar except each hach to its own hotkey because when you expand you are making drone at the new locations and if you have them all hotkeyed together it does not seem to let you choose what hatch to do what it just combines all the larva together so you would be producing drones at the wrong location.

    Even with attack forces I often want to produce them at a specific location. Its ok with a main and a single expansion (Main-4, Queen-3, Expansion-2, Queen-1) but if a game reaches a 2nd expansion having a 5 & 6 hotkey gets to be too much for me.

    I dont really use hotkeys for attack units for me its easier to just select them on screen since your constantly training new units its more of a hassle to try to always add the new ones to your control group and often even in that one group they may be doing different things so you dont want to give the same order to the whole lot.
     
  24. Tristan

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    ^
    Man you must be fast with a mouse. I find it way easier having for hotkeyed groups: lings 4, roaches and infestors 5, air capable 6, all 7.
    Though I'm trying to transition father down the keyboard and switch to grid for better and faster micro. The grid is such a simple concept it's hard to get used to, I keep spamming s on my hatchery and going "WHY WON'T YOU SPAWNNNN". Sounds fun eh?

    Also mutalisks suck for head on attacks. Fun to harass workers, get annihilated everywhere else.
     
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    Heh for zerg I have 5 for all hatcheries, 6-0 for queens. 1-4 are reserved for army. Usually 1 is the main attacking army, 2 is the surrounding unit (Usually zerglings), 3 for spellcasters in army (Infestors) and 4 is my harrassing team (mutas)

    I do sometimes use 9 and 0 for scouting units though but that's mostly for terran
     
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    ^ lol nice replay, at first i was like is the point of that (dont play zerg much), loved the guy's rage at the end of the game =]
     
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    I believe it's ctrl-right click (attack move) to set a non-combatant unit to follow another.
     
  29. Histidine

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    You used to be able to "move-click" or "m-click" a unit back in SC1 to force it to follow. I assume that still works in SC2.
     
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    You can also make medivacs follow by just clicking the move command and then clicking on the unit to follow.
     
  31. ViciousXUSMC

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    can you accuratly use 6-0 with your left hand or do you take your hand off the mouse to use them?

    It seems I am the minority not using hotkeys for my army but how do you keep up with old/new units on hotkeys do you constantly select all units with the mouse and add them to your control group as they are trained?

    If part of your group is on one side of the map (attack force) and the other half on the other (just trained) what do you do if they are both engaged in battle? if you try to single out units you will be telling half your force to attack a unit not in there battle.

    For this kind of reason I just select the units on screen in my area I am focusing on and do not use control groups for units. They either train too fast or die to fast to get keys :D

    I may if I have a force ready to attack put specialty units on a key like tanks so I can postion them or my spellcasters but most of the time an alt+click works just as good in the heat of battle or I can use tab to select the spells I need.
     
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    I can quite accurately use just my left hand for those. My right hand never lets go of the mouse.

    For adding new units, well... Say I want to add this new batch of 30 zerglings i just trained to my surrounding army (Key 2). I just press 2, hold shift and ctrl and click one of the newly trained zergling (They're usually bunched up waiting at where the waypoint is set). That selects all the zerglings in screen view. Then i let go of shift and just press 2 and that adds to my army.

    In the case of my main army being attacked while the newly spawned ones are on opposite sides of the map, I tend to just retreat while quickly calling for reinforcements. I do try to get the opponent in between during these times for a nicer surround. I try to inflict maximum damage and not small amount of damage with main army followed by another small amount of damage by reinforcing units that comes after main army is dead. I mean, it's much more devastating to have one whole bunch of units to attack rather than attacking them in smaller waves.
     
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    You could just control click and then press 2 and skip the first step.
     
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    control click and press 2? Won't that select the new batch and fully replace control 2 instead of adding to them? o_o I'll try it out later though
     
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    Yeah it would but if you have them all together at a rally point its going to add the old ones right back into the group.

    I am pretty much stuck with keys 1-6 since those are the keys you use the left hand for in typing. 7-0 are for the right hand so I would have to look at the keys to press those with my left hand.

    Actually 6 is also for the right hand but the left hand can reach it just as easy so I can use that key with both hands while typing without looking and skill keep my hand on the home row keys like your supposed to do when typing.
     
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    Actually shift click and pressing 2 adds selected units ctrl replaces them :eek: woah I just noticed that thanks Vicious! :D
     
  37. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

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    Your welcome, now just get a game for my region so we can play :D

    Looks like you have a few tips & techniques that could make me better.

    I lost more games than I won today I think because I kept getting interrupted. Now that I am in gold it takes everything being on point to win.

    My last game I just gave away :( phone rang 3 times when I was playing and finally had to answer it, while I had phone on the shoulder accidentally let down my supply depot just in time to let a zergling rush into my base :/

    I just GGed as I knew there was no recovery.


    BTW hit 2700 points today in achievements :D

    http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/514347/1/ViciousXUSMC/

    I have not been actively trying to get any of them in quick match mode but maybe I should, I just dont want to lose a match because I was focusing on a achievement.
     
  38. Baka

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    I'll just wait til they allow us SEA players in NA servers. Should be in 2 weeks or so I think :p
     
  39. ViciousXUSMC

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    Oh another tip that I often forget, if your not good with control+click to select all units or just want a easier way. Double clicking a unit does the same thing.
     
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    Watched the replay, gave me an idea. If somebody locks up there base hard with a wall fly some barracks/factory into there natural and build inside there base :D


    I like the idea of a factory in base while pulling attention to the front with units. That is what I normally do with void rays is pull attention to one side of the base while my void rays take over the other side. By the time they dispatch my small diversion force the voids are all charged up and destroying everything.

    That map delta quadrant I like it, I had a really good game there here I was blinking stalkers into the natural with an observer for vision, really threw my terran opponent for a loop.


    I have to admit the double expansion caught me off guard. I have hard time getting just one sometimes since I am trying to get my army size up to attack/defend but expanding to 2 places at once was strange. I guess it workers for terran since you do not need a lot of workers at each expansion you can take advantage of the MULES.

    Another thing you did differently than I would do is after taking out his troops you left your tanks in normal mode instead of going back into siege for the buildings. Do you think its better that way? I was under the impression siege does more damage and the added range makes it harder for any backup forces to come save the base if they had any.
     
  42. Tristan

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    What does cheese mean? Or cheesing?
     
  43. ViciousXUSMC

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    They are "cheap" moves that are basically all in and hard to counter if you were going for a normal game.

    If you do not scout them and start the counter measures its a quick loss for you, but if the opponent does counter its very hard for you to recover since the "cheese" strategies are usually so "all or nothing"

    Some of the cheese strats that I know.

    - Cannon Rush
    - Proxy Reaper Rush
    - Proxy Zealot Rush

    Found this site with some of them listed and some counters - http://www.blizzardguides.com/starcraft2/sc2-cheese-strategies.html
     
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    You can still hotkey all hatches to one key and then press tab to switch between hatches.

    I duno, maybe Im just too used to hotkeying all hatches to one key because I tried it DiMagas way or the way that ur doing it, and cant seem to get it under control.

    He actually has all his hatches to seperate keys and altogether the hatches to zero.

    I guess that would help to produce drones, and then units on zero. but he also doesnt even hotkey his queens last i checked and hes a great player...

    lulz did anyone see the match up between idra and morrow at iem finals? it kinda pissed me off seeing him lose like that
     
  46. Snowm0bile

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    Quick question guys

    If I purchased the NA version but Im closer to EU, will it put me automatically on EU server? Or does it put you on NA server since u purchased the NA copy?

    I looked in the game and it said nowhere of which server I am on. How do u tell?
     
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    I want to know as well. I have an NA copy, but will be moving to the UK, will I still play on NA servers?
     
  48. Baka

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    If you buy the retail in US, you're placed in US. If you buy it in SEA, you're placed in SEA.

    For digital download, it'll mention for which region you're going to play in before you pay for the game.

    For edgar, yes you're still going to play on NA servers. You have the option of asking Blizzard to change the region for you but you'll need to give them your details and even then it's still not a 100% chance of them letting you change regions. If they do allow it, all your progress will be reset.
     
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    can someone tell me why some of the maps are missing in "play versus AI" option in the single player? For example in multiplayer i have all the maps but in single player I dont see blistering sands or xel'naga caverns on the list at all, i see novince blistering sands and stuff but alot of the maps are missing.
     
  50. Snowm0bile

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    Thanks Reizo, that is pretty annoying how they dont have the option like they used to in the old days

    And resetting all ur stats if u switch is also pretty annoying.

    I would like to switch to EU while im over here and switch back to NA, when i go back home.

    That explains why the upload speeds are so low on blizz patcher and I bet if I switched to eu i might actually get to play a game without lag.

    I just test it on custom vs computer in multiplayer and it lags like a bia.

    guess this calls for an email

     
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