The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

Awesome! Thanks! Now we'll have to wait and see if we can get these separately, or it would be like what @Striker1234 has to deal with, just form different vendor. I'm not sure if I'm going to go that way though. The whole point of upgrades is to reduce waste and cost, not the other way around. Waiting to see DELL's WX 7100 form factor and pricing. Hopefully it would hit eBay and would be more common and cheaper than W7170m. Speaking about it (W7170m), a forum member gave it whirl in 8740w - GPU score around 970m, but deals nice with the DreamColor.

 

Just an update...

I have just play the full GOW4 campaing mode 12 hours continous on Ultra on AW17 and the card just behaves perfect, it just reach 72 Celcius Degrees as maximum!

 

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Thanks for sharing!
But it costs ~1080USD for a single card, probably not good idea to get one till it is cheaper.
Rumors said that there would be Quadro P5500M which is 24GB VRAM, based on GTX1080.

 

INSANE!!!

 

Where can we get one of these?

 

I told you that mobile workstations would be MXM-B and quite likely our only source. Now, where's that WX 7100?

 

where did u get that pricing from? and unlucky for us, the OP of that thread doesnt reveal his source

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On Taobao, P5000M is marked at 7500RMB (~1080USD) currently.
P3000M 3500RMB( ~500USD), P4000M (~800USD).
Some people said that these are QS cards. Not really sure where they came from, probably from new Dell workstation laptops?

 

this
http://www.aetina.com.tw/products-detail.php?i=86

 

1070 MXM as well. Std MXM width with 4 pin power.

 

How to buy it?

 

Click the Get A Quote button to get the ball rolling.

Trade stuff is rarely one-click ordering style

 

Wow finally the standard MXM cards are out, I am so tempted to get one

 

Heads up. Those don't appear to be standard height. Hopefully someone can clarify this but I don't see them fitting without chassis modification.

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i remember someone posted this before, problem is the 4pin.

113cm. 4cm taller?

 

The 1070 seems not, but the 1060 is ~10cm less

 

anyone has the specifications for the dimension of standard MXMs?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_PCI_Express_Module

3.0b is 82x105mm

 

Link: http://www.mxm-sig.org/file.cfm?doc=36A88883-DFFA-E3E6-16C301BCF5633572

Board size: 82 x 105 mm

also says that it supports up to 20V x 10A = 200W

edit: aaaah, took too long to write up this post, got ninja´d by @bennyg

 

well then... http://www.aetina.com.tw/products-detail.php?i=86 A 1060 isn't bad tho

And what about this? http://www.ebay.it/itm/MSI-Nvidia-G...179235?hash=item3610bee263:g:NcYAAOSw2xRYdE2D

 

That's the MSI 1060, perfect little monster with the right touches to the firmware: http://hwbot.org/submission/3425786_

 

Any compatibility list?

 

nope

 

Does the clevo 150EM uses an lvd or edp connector?

 

It converts eDP to LVDS before reaching the screen. Pascal can not work nativity on LVDS.

 

*Sigh* the Aetina cards info was posted long back, Also the 1060 is MXM3.0b which should be PnP from MSI and Aetina (have to ask a quote from them & test it) Clevo's cards only fit with the current gen Clevo refreshes with power connectors forget about them. The 1070(M) which is MXM3.0b is the Zotac one, needs slight HS modifications, forget if you have unified HS, needs extreme precision. & effort - The Quadro P5000 (Another 1070(M)-GP104) is perfect MXM3.0b which is also PnP with existing 3.0b machines but extremely expensive and hard to find one.

All these don't require any power connections - MSI 1060 / Aetina 1060, MSI 1070N, Zotac 1070, P5000.

Also here M means (In my pov to compare against the prev gen) ≤100W TDP from the 15K 3Dmarks FS Standard, underclocked 1070s compared to the MSI 1070N and Clevo 1070 at 17-19K.

@Prema , Any idea on the Haswell's (The CPU supports it though) capability in doing the FDI like Ivy, eDP conversion ? Thanks.

 

Ok, the informations gathered here are huge. There is a F***ing mess out there in the internet about MXM and nVidia series 10, can someone please make a recap and edit the first post with it? As soon as I'll have time I'll do it by myself but right now I'm busy, i invoke thee INTERNET USERS

 

Any idea how realistic it would be to upgrade to a 1060 maybe 1070 :
MS-16F4 / GT60 2QE Embedded DisplayPort Connection type that has already been upgraded to 980m (genuine 980m heat-sink no mod)
From what I gathered so far a 1070 from the ZOTAC box is the same form factor as the 980m even the PCB layout ? Just need to flash an MSI vbios? Or get the Quadro P5000 and it should PnP?

 

zotac 1070 and 980M have different PCB layouts so adjustment of heatsink and/or thermal pad placement would definitely be necessary...

 

Thanks for your reply but technically it would not be hard to accommodate with current heatsink (or a more compatible one if I can find one for GT60 chassis) and carefull placement of thermal pads?
Also in your opinion what are the problems someone trying this modification should expect to encounter? Any chance of a mostly Plug and Play with the Quadro card or Zotac one with MSI vbios flash? What about power comsuption of a 1070 could the GT60 support it?

 

that depends on your heatsink layout. worst case: ull have to dremel/file away some part of the heatsink thats in the way with gpu pcb components. best case, ull just have to rearrange/stack thermal pads for good contact.
reports so far suggest a PnP compatibility via msi vbios flash, however, every machine/laptop model is different, so theres no certainty if itll work on yours!
power wise the zotac 1070 aint a problem since its a 100W TDP card. thus, temps should also be manageable, provided you do your due diligence with thermal pads, proper heatsink contact and thermal paste

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Thank you very much for your answers. I'm still unsure which card is more likely to work than the other (1070 Zotak or Quadro : Nvm that it's never been done with the quadro yet more GDDR5 ). If the Zotak box ever comes down in price (wishful thinking) it might be worth trying it. I love my laptop and it would be awesome to upgrade that little beast.

 

There would be a MXM 3.0b completely standard GTX 1070 from Gecube this year. They said production would start around Q2. Their 980M was Plug N Play in Clevo laptops.

 

Wondering where did they get the reference design from

Still Socketed machines FTW, the people who coveted the BGA crap now are looking at their old HW which is crippled on the day of it's forging at the BGA Hellstation.

 

That is good news. I'm fairly confident it will work in the M18x R2, but with optimus enabled. It was recently discovered the M17x R4 is capable of internal edp-lvds conversion, so it is likely the M17x R4, M18x R2, Alienware 17 R1 can be upgraded. Alienware M15x, M17x R3, M18x R1, and Alienware 18 excluded, as M15x cannot do the lvds-edp conversion, M17x R3/M18xR1 cannot post with anything post Kepler, and Alienware 18 has no unlocked sBIOS so there is no way to allow SG/optimus on that system, it is set dGPU or iGPU only.

 

what are their prices for 980M cards? just to get a feel of what to expect for the 1070s

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Is it possible that Precision M6800 has the same trick?
Physically there is LVDS there, but Intel drivers report eDP as internal display connection...

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Should be from Nvidia, they replied saying "公版" = Nvidia own design, so it is quite clear that clevo/msi
steered away from the standard design to make consumers buy their new models.
BUT, everything is just words as for now, the design of their 1070 is not on their website yet.

2500RMB = 363USD
1070 should be around 3500RMB = 500USDish?

 

consider me sold if the 1070 can be had for 500usd.

 

I guess they just wanted to capitalize on that Desktop class cards design experiment that they made with Maxwell, So the OEMs (Clevo/MSI) and the Ngreedia must had thought to dispose off the 3.0b machines and the form factor and go this route which benefits them most since the market (people) is not much knowledgeable when it comes to the hardware and the Desktop performance is the best thing they can come with to change the demographics of the socketed GPU scene, because every one would definitely jump. Plus the eDP port requirement to lock most of them out of the equation, Atleast better situation that some machines sport the FDI technology of Intel CPUs. Sadness is Dell (Alienware) became non existent in this class.

So, Yeah we get the DT performance but at a hefty price. No one's going to buy those expensive Maxwell DT class non-standard GPUs & those machines along with the Pascal machines will lose more value if the Volta hits HBM all across the board. Ofc there's a " lot of speculation" in this matter though..Hoping for the best, We might be still lucky for future generations

 

dont forget import taxes and shipping

in my case that would bump up the price to like 600-650 USD. still a very good price though!

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To boot to Windows 7, everything EXCEPT video can be set to UEFI in the CSM. Make sure secure boot is disabled. You must set video to legacy for a boot solution. If it will not boot with legacy video selected, you may need to try another OS!

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It is planning on hbm on die. With screw placement, Clevo will be fine for the new N class cards, whereas msi may have to redesign again... Or at least that is my understanding...

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we have a vbios for G-Sync and one for Non-G-Sync, nothing else afaik so far.

 

I have used the no-GSync vbios...

As far as I know, the eDP 120Hz Screeen of the Alienware 17 R1 is not GSync, even the Zotac 1070 said the card is GSync Capable, I did not flash it with it...

Do you recommed me to flash it with it? what advantage over the no Gsync?

Thanks!

 

Regular or g-sync vBIOS won't make a difference guys. Chinese seller even solder g-sync vBIOS chips to non-g cards and sell them as 'universal'...that's all build on false believe systems and will neither activate g-sync nor help with any compatibility issues.

 

AFAIK GSync needs - GSync certified Screen + a BIOS whitelist of that Panel key or something I forgot what it was, Maybe license for that particular panel + a GSync GPU (which has some hardware chip on the card) Unless you meet all these three requirements GSync won't activate in that machine. The irony is the Nvidia milking us with the existing eDP technology which enables the GSync unlike the Desktop Displays which has the GSync hardware chip, Essentially the same which eDP technology we already have, instead of giving us all GSync enabled GPUs & enable it by default they decided to opt the particular things out. But hey that's how Consumers are meant to be played - nGreedia a.k.a Corporates.

Plus GSync rekts the Benchmarking, Have to disable it while Benching.
As for me from what Mr. Fox said, I also side with him. I don't need GSync too much of a hassle when it comes to upgrades or aftermarket modding, breaking compatibility - There's a kicker though, Once you get used to GSync gaming then you can't come back because It's VSync without lag or latency or tearing.

 

There is something different about laptops and cards in the F5 though.

I've had to get a non-g-sync version of the 1070N for people or get them the G-Sync version just to get picture.