The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

p5000 likr all pascals would only support eDP too

 

Update on Gecube standard MXM 1070.
Link: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5023960724
(just look at the pictures, cant be bothered to reupload )

 

Where can i buy it?

 

Where can WE buy it !

 

Looks identical to Zotac GPU

 

it will be on taobao, i will update once pricing is finalised, and available to purchase. Currently the shop owner said it will not cost more than 3999yuan = 578.85 US Dollar (not including shipping)

The shop-owner said this is the default MXM3.0b design for pascal, which also means MSI/Clevo changed their design on purpose.

 

So the rumor that nGREEDIA is not supplying reference design was false? I guess we all know where the blame should be put now.

 

Wow, if the price continues at ~600USD i'll take two

 

550 euros with shipping is okey. Resell your 970M at low price 200eur (because yeah, I love MXM upgrade, and I'm willing to encourage upgrading gpu's on older MSI's)
300eur for an upgrade to 1070 perfect !

 

What price can I take for 980m? What do you think? Still 1 year warranty.

 

Dont wanna get off topic, but the card alone isnt under warranty (i think), plus the price depends on the market : local, ebay, us, international.....

 

The problem with that card is length...

If I remember correctly , 105mm length is mxm 3.0 (980 etc.) size.

3.0b is 83mm? So in many laptops with standard 3.0b slots, there will have to be some modifications done.

EDIT: Nevermind, it IS standard MXM 3.0b size! LOL

Only thing is, will it work with Alienware laptops. I remember seeing a video earlier where the alienware laptops would shut down due to the thermal sensor being made for Clevo's.

My brother will definitely get one if they work in the AW17 R1.

 

It's the same card like the Zotac 1070, Which does fit properly but yeah the vBIOS might pose an issue, Maybe MSI vBIOS might help just like it did with the Zotac 1070 on the R1 but the main thing is the Heatsink, the electronic components on the card, those power chokes they alternate along the end to end width which won't allow the AW17 R1 heatsink as it has a slight 2mm height which will interfere with this MXM card at 2 points/sides. So must modify the heatsink, need to cut those sides of the heatsink z-portions might also need some additional modifications. Also need to add any missing MOSFETs if they are missing.

As for the Unified heatsinks they are out of luck, Modifying their setups is a huge work..I was expecting a proper MXM3.xb design but this is different this is not a 3.0b design it changes the design elements with the placement of the components on the PCB, The dimensions are only 3.0b along with some components on the GPU which makes it look like a proper 3.0b GPU...

 

The r9 290x heatsink for the aw 17 r1 fit the 1070 nicely. I did have to cut a portion of the area next to the gpu die and grind down the area in the middle of the coil contact area, but the copper strip next to the vram didn't need to be modified like I had to on the 100w nvidia one. My 1070 thread has all the pics describing this.

Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk

 

MSI vbios'es are usually gentle with other makes..

 

Has anyone tried fit it in P775DM?

 

it's standard MXM 3.0b, it should fit all laptops, the only problem that *may* occur is the vbios compatibilty. But we can use modded vbios's in the worst case.. small hack for a fully enabled 1070 !

 

What an exciting time. I still have my P170sm-a with 4810mq and 970m. I wasn't ready to pony up to 980m or purchase an entirely new machine, but would gladly purchase a 1070 for this machine if in time vbios etc are compatible. 1070 plus the new Intel driver that allows my panel to overclock would be a match made in heaven. And rightfully so extend the life of this machine.

I'm really disappointed AMD hasn't or won't deliver a standard MXM slotted compatible card for us at this time.

 

Well, Nvidia didnt release standard cards too, and MSI Clevo and al. didnt bother to do that too, they are simply claiming that the power requirements are'nt the same, thus the GT72 can't run it.. YET, it can run without any problems with the same rebadged components (aka GT72 VR) lol, you know when you write VR on it, the same hardware goes super saiyan and become able to handle the bad-evil Pascal TDP requirements..

 

It becomes VR when Nvidia change the goalposts and things like 980dt and 980M SLI don't meet the spec yet a 1060 does...

 

who is the shop owner?

980dt? Dt for DeskTop?

 

Yes the notebook variant of the 980

 

you missed the point.. (the joke i mean)

 

No not missed at all, just not responded to directly

If you go back in the history of the GT72/GT80 upgrade thread I'm there very early on, saying I thought MSI were being untruthful when they said it couldn't be done for their completely made up power thermal blah blah reasons.

This was October 3:

 

Waiting, cash is ready,

 

Is VR ready

 

Just a heads up:

The Zotac Pascal samples we tested don't work on Clevo (tested also with Clevo & MSI vBIOS) due to them using a different thermal sensor similar to the Dell AMD cards.

 

but do they in MSI/Dell systems ?
so Clevo owners will be probably going towards Gecube MXM 1070..

 

So this causes EC to shutdown the system? Is this something that could be resolved by adding support for that thermal sensor to the laptop bios? Or would EC have to be disable? I ask these questions out of mere curiosity

I'm hoping it will work in HP systems too cause the 1070 mobile is just too sweet not to upgrade too and that's coming from a mostly red team nerd(it's more powerful then the reference 980 and 1060 desktop cards!)

 

They were once, but not now...
http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/vr/system-requirements

I know it's just an official label that means nothing but BS but it's typical nvidia shenanigans to try and force upgrades

 

HaHa. Yeah, It depends on where in the Nvidia page you're viewing. And is 1060 faster than previous fastest graphics, desktop 980Ti as well? VR SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS for graphics in desktops is also 1060, LOL

And what with all persons with proper documentation that their purchased machines with 980 is VR Ready? If not maybe Nvidia can give yooo what yooo paid for?

Yeah it's SCAM!!!



Gtx980 Notebook graphics

 

Yup... pretty much dead-on accurate. Meaningless mumbo-jumbo. VR is being over-hyped and not everyone is buying into the concept that it's a killer must-have. The primary focus in technology is no longer advancing technology for the overall good of mankind. It's about advancing geeky gimmicks and dumbing things down with proprietary nonsense for the financial enrichment of Intel, NVIDIA and Micro$loth. When they stoop to breaking things and throwing up road blocks using a whitelist (or blacklist), zombie drivers and cancer firmware, and soldering parts to the motherboard to block upgrades and repairs you know that arrogance, greed and deception are at the guiding principles at the core of all they do.

 

We could actually have sued Nvidia for false advertising. And we would have won everything.. Nvidia is engaged with false advertising. Aka SCAM!!




See ALSO

 

Not seeing that argument.

Can you point out where they specifically state that the GTX 980 is no longer suitable for VR?

I read that as 1060 or better, is the GTX 980 now no longer fit for duty or something? Was there a nerf?

...or are they just advertising their new products like any company would?

Genuinely inquiring here.

 

NGREEDIA!! Call it what yooo want And 1060 still doesn't beat 980 in everything. And Why should 1060 be better than old 980TI and receive SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS aka the title VR ready and not the older better graphics card? Ask NGREEDIA

 

Can you show me where it states what you claim? It says 1060 or greater...

I hate nvidia, I am almost completely biased against that company now for a multitude or reasons, I just cant seem to follow the logic based on what you presented here is all...If you can display it so I can follow the logic then I'm on board.

Did nvidia advertise DirectX 11 support on Fermi when Kepler was out?

 

Sorry, but I'm not quite with you what yoo mean
There are 2 pages with garbage from Ngreedia as showed in previous posts. This is what they themselves say. I only know that when I bought my computer with Gtx980 .... It was VR ready. All know that Ngreedia trying everything to get people over to the new tech.

 

Your implying hat because they arent advertising GTX 980Ti as VR ready like they are with their notion of 1060 or greater that its dishonest?

 

They are dishonest When they say 1060 is the minimum SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS for VR. 1060 is a low end graphics. 1060 underperforming vs the faster older GTX980TI. As stated..


http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia...-1080-SLI-GTX-1070-and-GTX-1060.171566.0.html

 

Since when does 1060 or greater not include the GTX 980 Ti?

I feel like im missing something here, has the GTX 980Ti been disabled for VR?

 

No. Nvidia don't want to talk about GTX980 or 980TI (notebook) or desktop. See red square (They mention only 970/980M in small print). They jump right in 1060.


They try to scam 970/980/980Ti owners over to 10xx graphics

 

The 970m and 980m dont work for VR?

https://www.reddit.com/r/oculus/comments/3zr70i/running_an_oculus_rift_on_a_gtx_970m_gpu/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vive/comments/4g0oub/has_anyone_gotten_the_vive_to_work_with_a_gtx_980m/

Just looking it seems they were never supported? Just a quick google search but I may be wrong.

And what does this have to do with the GTX 980Ti?

 

Exactly... 970/980M isn't VR ready as always stated. From the beginning.

See the picture above again ... MINIMUM SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS FOR VR... 1060. Where is 9XX series desktop cards?

As stated in previous post...
They try to scam all 970/980/980Ti owners over to 10xx graphics

 

This is what Geforce Experience shows for my 980M SLI:

 

YOOO have 980M graphics. Ragardles of single or SLI.. Always stated as NOT VR READY!! Dont meet Ngreedia's system requirements.

 

Isnt it Ocolus that set that minimum hardware? GTX 970 iirc

https://www.oculus.com/oculus-ready-pcs/

Also they never supported 970m or 980m, so I am not seeing the bait and switch there. I read some reasons being that some laptops equipped with mentioned GPU's still have the IGP handling the monitor or didnt have any direct connection to the GPU.

Your initial point was for the 980Ti, which is supported. Which is why I have asked for clarification because I couldnt follow the line reasoning on my own.

Your complaining that the 1060 is advertised as VR ready (a new product) and not advertising an "old" product that is also VR ready? What company doesnt promote their latest products?

Also I dont think any games support SLI or Xfire in VR as of right now so mentioning SLI systems doesnt add to the discussion presently. Should probably be irritated with the developers about that I would think?

 

I can hear you. Of course they will promote their newest tech. But as I have said several times now. The promotion of 1060 as minimum specs for VR is pure fraud. Hope probably that people don't understand their claims and push them out to buy new graphics. They mention 970/980M in the advertising but don't want mentioning 9xx series graphics. Next level is probably starting decrease performance with crippled drivers for Maxwell And Pascal will be next!!
FYI Laptops with LGA haven't activated iGPU.

 

Dude your not listening....

1060 or greater.

The 970m and 980m limitation is because they cant guarantee those laptops to be able to work with it. You imagine the backlash from people because their laptops dont have connections to the dGPU? How many do you think even know how to check for that let alone have enough knowledge to know its a thing. I dont run any system with the IGP handling the panel but thats just my systems.

Im well onboard with the nvidia hate train, but at least enlighten me on how your viewpoint is correct. Right now your just repeating your initial statement without justifying it.

 

Umm, I know? My point is 980M SLI (3072 cores @ 1026+MHz) is "greater" than a 1060 (1280 cores @ 1404+MHz) in raw power. Is there some other reason on a hardware level? Does VR expose a bottleneck in either SLI or Maxwell such that the 1060 offers superior performance despite having half the shader power? Are Nvidia just blanket blacklisting all 970M/980Ms regardless of Optimus or SLI?

If not, their "requirements" are arbitrary, which is the basis of my butthurt towards nvidia on this issue for which they shouldn't be forgiven. It shows they still are in the cockblock / performance degradation / screw everyone but the latest gen buyer mindset.

I don't care about VR itself yet.

If that's directed at me, I mentioned the 980(DT) notebook version, not 980Ti. If @Papusan can check if he gets the "VR Ready" tick then I'll know for sure if I'm wrong on that point, I'm just assuming that when it says "1060 or higher" it's excluding anything with a smaller number.

 

And I know 9xx series is lower. For last time. NGreedia put 1060 and greater for minimum specs for VR highlighted... we all know this. We know also 970/980/980TI is advertised as VR ready... All good.

The case is like this. Nvidia don't want showing people that 9xx desktop series graphics actually have minimum requirements for VR.
Oh'well. I think it's enough now. Either I don't understand you, or opposite.