The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

From my perspective the problem with the power limit is the limit, not the power. But I reckon even if you got your hands on one you'd be on your own with support vbios-wise.

You'll struggle to find one of those 980N's let alone two let alone for a price that would make it worthwhile... Pascal is a biiiiig leap over maxwell even the full fat GM204 (a 120W 1070 outperforms a 200W 980 by a decent margin)

I think you're confusing the smaller EN1070 with the Magnus EN980 and Magnus EN1080 which are much bigger and are internally water cooled whereas the EN1070 is only air cooled and has a wimpy 35W CPU and 180W adapter neither of which is sufficient

MXM GPUs are in all of them.


see 8:00 point for the naked 1070 MXM (this is the one that has been installed into an Alienware http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/alienware-17-r5-gtx-1070-mxm-3-1b.800137/ - Zotac charged USD$900 for a replacement)

 

who wants to test :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-GT73VR-...-GTX-1080-8GB-GDDR5X-VIDEO-CARD-/332164156480

 

Preorder for GTX1070 MXM, from the chinese clevo reseller mushroom.
not sure if he ships worldwide.
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.w8229079-7448682599.1.LWH2cH&id=547706196491

 

He seem to be shipping. Isnt aliexpress better ? (written in proper english)... He should consider that

 

It seems that he only accepts credit card payment for oversea users.

 

not gonna happen for P870DM-G owners.

1. the power cable on the P870DM-G is 4 pin, the 1080 needs 5pin
2. the GPU die is out of position when compared to the 1070.
3. potentially the VRAM might not be compatible.

if you have a P870DM-G then you're highest upgrade is the 1070.

 

Sorry I mistyped I meant to say En1080 I will edit my prior post

 

Aliexpress is widely used by people I know in (and out of) my company. The guy should really consider that option. Proper payment with aliplay, options for shipping AND reach a lot of people. Can someone contact him to explain that point ? That site isnt understandable for like a big majority of the people in NBR. (Chinese is *a little* hard ^^)

 

https://arstechnica.co.uk/gadgets/2017/02/zotac-zbox-magnus-en1080-review/

This one, Look at the I/O ports and cabling, As from the liquid cooled EN980 teardown where there's a power connector, While for this Zotac liquid cooled GTX 1080 chip it is absent (The power connector starts exactly on the side of USB ports and terminates at the side for the 980 Zotac box)

Similar version to the MSI 16L13's GTX1080 150W MXM which doesn't have the power connector unlike the MSI's GT73VR's GTX1080 with power connector (Mind you the MSI GT SLI machines also have a similar chip in SLI which doesn't have the power connector as well, iirc it was the GT73VR 1080 SLI (?) )

But this box is very expensive to begin with plus the MSI vBIOS trick needs to be done like the Zotac 1070, No idea on how the firmware restrictions might apply, As the latest Clevo GPUs need the HW to flash the firmware. IF it's the same 1070 type without any restrictions it's cool to flash an MSI 1080 but which one will you flash ( the 16L13's / MSI GPU without power connector one ?) speculating ofc..

Looking at the Aetina lineup their 980 GPU is different from the Clevo / MSI's and Zotac EN980's design, their 1080 also seems to be different in the VRM components, all these chips vary in that dept while the MSI's GTX1080 chipsets have different core placements as well, So we have a pandoras box full of non standard MXM flying around LOL.

GeCube / Zotac / Aetina all GTX1070s are similar, So we can safely assume the TDP as well. MSIs 1070N still remains the top choice for max perf pov, When coming to the formfactor it's the closest that one can get this round apart from the super expensive and rare Quadro PnP GPU.

 

The Aetina 1070 might have the gpu die in the right place but it is noticibly longer, has an external power connector, and different board layout so I would say it is very different from the Gecube and Zotac "Reference" style cards

 

On the other side, Little OT The Xbox Scorpio is RX480 again, Polaris chip on steroids - coupled with more GDDR5 6.8GHz@326GB/s BW vRAM 12GB with reserved to OS @1.5-2GB Plus a quad core Jaguar cluster added in with Vapor Chamber & full DX12 HW improvements. And It did 4K forza which was a direct port from the Studio 10 to the Scorpio from XB1 @60FPS/~64% GPU usage, I think that's a GTX 1060 level of perf, Mobile GTX 1070 and up should be still outperforming it.

Also to note, Really curious to see that EN1080 GPU PCB, no power connector and usually that block size might be the same as a GTX1070 based Zotac box, remember these Zotac GPUs won't work with Clevos due to the EC incompatibility.

 

I searched this thread and found no response. Does this 1070 work with AW17 R5 60 Hz?

 

Is that laptop eDP? Does it support Optimus? if the answer to both is "No" then that is your answer

 

So far, no one succeeded in making that combo work. 120 Hz has been tested and confirmed to be working.

 

This is incorrect.

 

So what is it then ? Care to explain that it's not Polaris ?

 

Well it's not RX480 its got more (customised) shaders, higher frequency, more vram. It's based on a 480 but it isn't the same as one

 

It's not P10.

44 CUs/2816 shaders (40 CUs/2560 shaders enabled in Scorpio) vs. 36 CUs/2304 shaders
12GB 384-bit G5 vs. 8GB 256-bit G5
TSMC 16nm FinFET vs. GloFo 14nm FinFET

 

Guys can someone who understand's chinese use the contact form of taobao to ask the seller to go international (aliexpress) ?
I tried but it's complicated to get an account..

 

i asked, he didnt seem too interested in Aliexpress.

 

Anything on Taobao can be shipped internationally as Taobao has an international forwarding center. In fact, when I clicked your link, the default shipping option is via that forwarding center. 90 CNY for 1st kg, then 22 CNY/kg. Edit: I'm accessing it from the US.

 

That's what means "Polaris on Steroids", Adding more CUs, Increasing clocks, Increased BW and mem, the base is RX480, It can't beat GTX 1070, Also the RX480 is a power guzzler for the stupid perf it offers per watt & TDP, adding more cores etc doesn't make it any better thus Vapor Chamber, not the 95W E-Series MXM, Yet to see that. AMD has totally given absolutely 0 competition to Nvidia, Thanks to them MXM standards have been thrown out of window.

Edit :
Here's some more...
The vRAM clock is almost equivalent to the 170Euro RX470 sitting at 1650MHz (Just 50Mhz short) and 8 CUs more than RX470, 470 has 4960GFlops with 1206 clock and this one is clocked at ~1150 or less to reach that 6.xTF figure As they added the Quad core cluster (totalling 8 now) with more L2 cache adding to the TF figure which is not at all fair share of comparing the total figures of Teraflops which is shameful, Original XB1 was with DDR3 crippled Radeon 7850 and now this is boosted with a beefier RX480 with more potent RAM + added Kabini cores that's it. Nowhere near Nvidia's counterparts not even the GTX 1060 when paired with Ryzen or Kabylake, or maybe even Haswell lol...

Why would they even release it to PR ? It's clearly a marketing stunt, People always fail to realize that and bam they get milked over and over and over with the crippled trash and kool-aid smoke and mirrors tragic show...look at the GS8 a clear overpriced gimmick / Winblows X / BGA.

Say thanks to corporates and kool-aid sheeple they capitalize on buzzwords and latest "review" and "hands on" "preview" trend to hide the reality and show the faux and gimmicks for being paid, This is what the consumers are going to get loosing themselves, fundamentals. Lost in the so called technological advancement, It is though but failing to realize the reality which fulfills the ultimate goal to line the pockets of the ultra rich and powerful..

Still fingers crossed on VEGA MXM, Gotta see if it happens..

 

well we cant use taobao lol if it's written in chinese bro, I can go sell stuff on local ebay in France/Spain, but no one will be able to buy internationally, if it's not written in proper english. And guess what ? aside from google ugly auto translate it looks like this :

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You can uses Taobao, just not directly with the seller but through an agent. That's what @DARCODER did when they bought their 1070.

 

yep, i buy a looooooot of stuff in taobao like gpu's, display.... you can use world.taobao then use google trad to help you navigating or making an account. Easier to use with smartphone. you can also use there the google copy/paste traduction tool if you have android. Some sellor accept direct shipping with dhl ems... you just have to ask them, otherwize, using taobao agent ( trusted one is bhiner i use) so they do all step for you, or you send from taobao your product to warehouse bhiner as exaample ( to avoid their ****ty exchange rate)

 

What agent ? A 3rd party person ? I dont get it..

 

A Taobao agent is a 3rd party....@DARCODER can answer this since they've got more experience than i do.

 

As previously posted - http://www.aetina.com.tw/products-detail.php?i=201

Anyone with a P870DM-G game enough to buy and test?

 

they dont sell to end users (as already posted)..

 

@thegh0sts
The sellor where i baught my 1070n has new stuff.. one 1080n without external powersource.... would love to have seen if that beast can work in haswell laptop.
https://world.taobao.com/item/546741719542.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.9qVTSH#detail

 

To buy on taobao, it exist 3 methods:
- you share the link from taobao to bhiner(as example) then you send money paypal or westernunion if more than 500$, then once they receive it, you pay a shipping method.
-you buy from your taobao account and delivery address is bhiner. once they receive it, you pay a shipping method.
-you buy from taobao and you ask delivery to your country to the sellor (ems 6-8days \ dhl 3days, chinese post +- 4$ is very slow..i received a part after 4months! )

 

or you use the aliexpress with customer protection and seller protection written in proper english easy pizzy lemon squeezie ! not going to send 500$ to some address/account ^^

 

Not if they don't list it on aliexpress you don't.

I've found way less of the kinds of stuff I buy on aliexpress over the last year.

 

I'm not forced to buy Client is king
that's so abnormal to force people to spend 500$+ on a website they can't understand without even paypal warranty xD.
For me, it's a kill-deal Will wait for someone in the forum to resell it or on ebay

 

the site wasnt created to be used outside but they start to involve by accepting international credit card, international addresses where in the past wasnt possible. im sure the website will be translated in english but we have to wait some years.

im selling a 1070n but that's not certainly at 500^^, mine i paid 700 and selling a bit more. i dont trust too cheap..they might have used the oven trick..

 

AFAIK, what you pay != selling price ^^
the 500$ cards are freshly manufactured by gecube^^ there is nothing wrong with them

edit: god d**** it you are selling the MSI 1070 (non standard MXM) in here at 800euros ? why not 1k euros ^^ lol

 

Can't believe that this card, if confirmed to work with majority of manufacturers, will be restricted to domestic market. Eventually Rjtech and similar will make it worldwide available, eventually at a overhead cost that hopefully can be mitigated by sells.

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Meh, would buy if they added the SLI connector.

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Wtf the gpu is in the wrong place

 

Yup, that wont work in the P870DM-G.

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i think it might work...a heatsink its just a piece of copper/alluminium, we can cut it nicely to fit it..now all depends if its a gddr5x or gddr5.....maybe gddr5x can be compatible...

 

if you're able to disconnect the pipes from the plate. you might even have to make a custom plate.

 

Heatpipes are in the wrong place if you do this too. I looked at this card as well. It would require a full custom cooling solution. Even worse than the one I built for my aw17.

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considering you'd need to create a custom heatsink plate, i don't think a 1080 is worth the effort unless you got an eff-ton of money to blow on it.

my current heatsink mod solution is pretty straightforward and cheap but only really good for the MSI 1070.

The reality is that the 1070 is the only real option for most of us.

 

they sells pipe in taobao, even the sizeand directions and some copper plate.. so a custom heatsink its quiet easy but u need some time to ordersall parts

 

i think you are underestimating the difficulty

 

Exactly, if you're like me who prefers doing minor mods then this is not minor. there's too many factors to account for like warping of the plate or pipe, contact with the die or lack thereof.

this takes a lot of design and planning.

 

Nope there arent any underestimating...since when is hard to ask a sellor the dimensions of some pipes and size of some copper...the "difficult part" would be to invest in a 1080n and praising is recognized by system.

 

which would you rather do: build the heatsink or play games?

 

both better cooling for long safe game sessions. but i have to admit i prefer modding than playing..