The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

I've just noticed how inefficient our desktop GPUs still are in terms of space. HBM/HBM2 was supposed to shift the memory chips closer to the die and make the overall PCB footprint smaller, but this thirst for outsize power in notebooks has resulted in equally outsize cards as well. Then again, MXM3.0A has all but been abandoned, and many PCs with GPUs directly on the motherboard definitely have space to accommodate an MXM-A GTX 1050 Ti (ahem, Clevo N870HK, even the P640HK). Even if those notebooks were forever limited to 75 W GPUs, at least they could be upgraded to the 1150/2050 Ti or whatever.

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In another thread I saw it looked like at least someone (probably NVidia) is going to GDDR6 instead of HBM2, likely not helping PCB size if it's the same configuration as a GDDR5 card might be.

 

If Nvidia keeps pushing traditional GDDR over HBM, then we're likely not going to see prices drop.

 

We will never see prices drop before it becomes real competition.

 

HBM is much more expensive to produce plus its cutting edge so while we possibly may see a return to standard size boards I won't be holding my breath on prices dropping there either...

3rd parties getting into the game is what I see having a positive impact. The notebook makers Clevo and MSI don't want to make ref 3.0b boards and the rest want to go the solder route, so others have filled the void. Hopefully they've sold well and are decent quality and the next iteration will come along quicker and cheaper. Resellers building whitebooks may have another option too. Tl;dr competition is good

 

If ever MXM boards becomes as big as desktop boards, then we may as well abandon the MXM slot altogether and use the full PCIe slot.

HBM is expensive because nobody has bought it yet. More consumers --> larger profit margins --> lower unit cost. Compared to SoC designs, the current GDDR style is extremely inefficient in terms of PCB area.

For the matter, the iPhone A10 CPU's single-thread performance is nearly as good as Haswell's.

 

i think it might be way too long for the P870DM-G.

 

Wow!

That is the 1080 that belongs with the Zotac EN1080 Magnus!

We should try it 'cause it does not have any power connector!

Link:

https://gigglehd.com/gg/hard/602238

 

That's what i want to know but apparently the vbios isn't compatible. The only way to be sure is that someone tests it.

 

I don't see them getting bigger, just staying the same size. And could it be that HBM isn't being bought because they don't see the price drop from more sales being significant enough to justify the switch?

 

many new 1060/1070 listings on taobao with what looks like standard MXM board.




@dzpliu do you know about this?

 

Amazing ! more competition good for prices ^^

 

a user posted that
Details about New Nvidia GeForce GTX1070M MXM3.0b 8GB Graphics GPU Card N17E-G2-A1 Clevo MSI
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/gtx-1070-mxm-3-0b.804338/

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX1070M-MXM3-0b-8GB-Graphics-GPU-Card-N17E-G2-A1-Clevo-MSI/122471294696?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid=222007&algo=SIC.MBE&ao=2&asc=40130&meid=842ebe552c844693825a48e33cd83ef1&pid=100005&rk=4&rkt=6&sd=112144267554&afsrc=1&rmvSB=true


Compatibility
Clevo

P150EM P170EM

P150SM P157SM P170SM P177SM P150SM-A P157SM-A P177SM-A

P751ZM(EDP) P750ZM(EDP) P751ZM-G P750ZM-G P770ZM-G

P775-DM1 P775DM1-G P870DM P870DM-G


P770ZM, P751ZM and P750ZM with LVDS display port can be compatible after exchange to a EDP port.


MSI



16F4 1763

GT62 GT70 GT72 GT73 GT80 GT82 GT83

16L1 16M1


Alienware


M17X R4 M17R5 and M17R6

why not p750dm or p770dm?

here a thread about mxm gpu reseller
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/mxm-gpu-resellers-in-the-world.804197/

 

just a different reseller, still gecube's card.

they are all gecube's card.

 

Wait wait wait wait wait wait.... You mean it is possible to put this beauty into GT80 Titan?? *Heavy breathing*

 

yeap, but they will get out of taobao, people will start reselling those
Faster shipping, faster benching
yet still expansive
900$ is like 200$ more than the proper price

 

they write that

 

Looks really promising guys!

 

nvm

 

It is the standard GPU that's in the Zotac, remember the chokes and vrm positions on that, your heatsink WILL need dremel, No SLI as well. It's not a perfect MXM 3.0b standard, just letting you guys know

 

isn't that expected though? How is it not a perfect implementation of mxm3b? No power connector, right board length and width the only down side is Pascal doesn't support LVDS for those who need it.

 

Dremelling requirement for a 3.0b chipset means it's not a standard, at-least in my book, looking at the Quadro it is perfect and MSI's 1060 are the only implementations of the MXM 3.0b PnP. Ofc it was expected, We've seen this GeCube/Zotac boards long back...Not saying they aren't 3.0b boards but they are not "3.0b standard", since they can't be a drop in upgrade with the existing machines. And with the Unified HS machines It'll be a tough job to fix em up for the compatibility.

 

The Heatsink and board layouts aren't universal though aside from GPU core location, vram and mounting holes

 

Is that a physical compatibility list, or does it take into account available drivers/firmware/etc.? Maybe there's something else about those two models.

 

I agree the Zotac one isn't standard - but these are the new Gecube boards - they look the exact same as my Clevo 3.0b 980Ms

 

These from TaoBao? They are not the same as 980M as the VRM part is different and instead of three big inductor units on the sides of the top row (two on the left and one on the right) and e.g. 6 smaller inductor chips between them, you have 5 big inductors spread out with a small one between each pair.

Not sure what the majority of laptop heatsinks for the Maxwell cards look like, but mine has a copper bulge in the middle which covers partly the smaller inductor units. While these R36 inductor units appear somewhat smaller than those big inductor units on the 980M, the bulge would probably still get in the way and it would need to be dremelled down to fit.

Aetina on the other hand uses even smaller inductor chips and these might fit the bulge (though, more layers of thermal pads would be needed besides the bulge to reach these smaller inductors). If these cards would ever become available, that is.

http://www.aetina.com.tw/products-detail.php?i=87

 

i wonder if the 4-pin power will actually boost power stability.

 

has that been a problem with mxms?

As I understand it external power connectors are there for when the mobo isn't up to the task of handling the power draw

 

I see. My heatsinks are flat with no added blocks for cooling the small capacitors (which tbh don't really need
it) if yours has an added block for getting closer to the row of 6 in between the chokes, then yes, it'd need some dremel work.

That's still not anything to do with mxm 3.0b, the spec itself AFAIU only covers board physical dimensions & connector electrics, how a manufacturer chooses to cool them is their decision

 

Wouldn't it be possible to fit current mxm 3.0b based laptops (780m etc) just by using 0.5mm thermal pads instead of a dremel? Or is it still too tall for the heatsinks?

 

Yes, small capacitors, not inductors, sorry.

I never said that it's a part of the MXM standard; I was just replying to where you said they look the same as 980M. You were probably referring to the dimensions and position of mounting holes, but I wanted to note that the VRM changes might be a problem for some heatsinks (including mine).

 

possible fake...
Who's going to be the guinea pig?

 

Well, not really, it's the freshly released Gecube my friend.
How do you know it's fake ?

 

There is no video on youtube. Impossible not to exist in the 21st century

https://www.youtube.com/results?q=gtx+1070+mxm&sp=CAI%3D

 

Not saying it doesn't look a little sketchy, but two pretty good reasons a legit product would not have a video are:

-The manufacturer does not bother.
-No one that does their own vids has actually installed one yet.

 

Because if there is nothing about it on youtube, IT CANNOT EXIST OF COURSE (i had to use caps to emphasis the "AH AH effect").

 

There is no video on youtube how to program Nextion touch screens on AVR either but it doesn't mean it's not possible.

What I want to say that not everything is on youtube.

 

I'm crazy for this to be true! In Brazil, changing a notebook is the same as changing a car

Better import a video card

 

We have to compare those side by side with the Z-height of the chokes since we only have 2D perspective here.
Look at these pictures Clevo 980M vs GeCube's 3.0b 1070 below

Spoiler: 1070 GeCube vs 980M

Now consider an example - Alienware 17 R1

The AW17's 100W HS won't be able to fit, the HS has that extra downwards metal block running on the Top (Grey), Middle by half inch (Red) and Sides (Yellow), top is not an issue because nothing's on top side that would interfere and we can cool those vrms but the sides we need to shave that Z-part of the heatsink to make this Zotac/GeCube's 1060/1070 3.0b MXM GPU fit (Yellow).

About the middle part, Your idea of the thermal pads is quite a point but I suspect we cannot fit that due to these chokes coming in bw while the original 980M has the smaller vrm components and a few get cooled due to the longer thermal pad placements on the chokes and the middle vrms (Red).

Also note the R22 vs R56 on the 1070 vs 980M the latter is smaller plus has 2 vrms while the former has a bigger component this one on the side again has a slight bump downwards Z side (Blue), I don't remember the exact position of the HS on these components about what that bump downwards cools...

But the MSI 1060 is a drop in upgrade afaik in the machines with these HS @woodzstack , So your idea of the middle portion where using thermal pad thickness can help us out with the Red and Blue regions, Yellow is a must to hw mod, dremel, 1070.

Spoiler: MSI 1060 MXM

Above is an MSI 1060 MXM look at the blue region the component size is same but the 2 smaller ones have been shifted to top and made horizontal..

Also the 75W HS has the same thing but It doesn't have the added copper block to the HS somewhat differs to the 100W one which made loafer987 use the 75W one for the dremel work, he experimented a lot on this Heatsink matter in his thread on MSI 1070N upgrade with the AW17 Ranger, Striker1234 also had to mod the HS to fit this 1070 Zotac..

This is why @ijozic also said these are not the proper 3.0b implementation vs the older GPU standards until Maxwell, by looking at the MSI 1060 mxm GPU it's the closest one can get to the original standard machines, Yeah not all machines have the same regions but now considering these small changes what would happen to the unified heatsink machines (?) in getting these working into them from the hardware pov. The perfect 3.0b GPU in Pascal lineup is Quadro P5000 MXM which costs 2x the MSI 1070N and $400+ against the Zotac 1070 Magnus box.

Can we know what's the machine you were referring to ?

 

Yup, if you buy one of these, have a dremel ready and some copper tape and extra thermal pads of all sizes to make the proper fitting. Don;t be shy if your heatsink is literally unusable for another videocard in the future.

 

Oh ! But I also meant to say - it's worth doing, doing it well, and then showing it to the world so those people who tried to make sure you couldn't do this, see you did in fact do it !
(shove it to the man, who is forcing you to upgrade every year)

 

Oh yeah, I've heard bad things happen sometimes when importing electronics there.

 

I know Zotac won't sell the MXm card to anyone but Iwonder if they would be willing to sell their heatsink assembly? as it includes a heatsink plate/mount that is perfect for this 1060 and 1070

 

They will sell you the cards if you own one of thier PC's which come with the cards, they will charge you for "replacement"

 

according to striker123 they won't even do that lol.

You have to take the extra step of shipping the entire unit(sans card) to them and they will install a new card and ship the whole thing back to you with a new warranty

Crazy

 

Amd makes a rx570 mxm because Mantiz is developing a portable 2,5" egpu with an amd rx570 inside

https:// www.reddit.com/r/eGPU/comments/66augw/mxm_egpu_the_portable_egpu

 

So which GPUs have been confirmed as available in the US? I know that there are custom 1050/1050 Ti MXM A boards being sold on Taobao. Has anyone tried contacting AMD to get an embedded E9950/E9260? How about that custom RX 480 on Taobao? Was that ever confirmed working? I know 1060s are available on Taobao and even Ebay.

 

M3N1050TI-LN


M3N1050-LN



tul corp makes amd rx460/470/480 mxm gpus
http://www.tulembedded.com/News.asp?id=4

 

Do we have a quote for the price of those cards from Aetina? There are some 1050/1050 Tis on Taoboa for $260 and $290 but I'm hesitant to trust them. Also, I can't find any other info on Tul MXM Polaris cards.