The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

i7-6700k and i7-7700k need to be delidded


Eurocom policy about delidding is totally non sense IMO

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Hidevolution makes that
http://www.hidevolution.com/evoc-16l-g-1080-custom-built-gaming-desktop-replacement-laptop.html

 

Thats pretty close to what i have. The laptop is outstanding and runs great even with high temps but its just personal preference. At the end of it the f5 wont be as premium as your m18xr2 but it will be viable for a long time and you cant beat the form factor or performance. I think you are on the right track. If i can ask what kind of deal are you getting?

 

No worries its a kick ass laptop. But i cant help but feel like they have a v2 up their sleeves that is gonna stomp it.

 

They'll always have something new, that is the nature of the beast!

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If you're asking for price is about

2100$ for a new unit:
MS16L13 (Tornado F5 Eurocom - no logo)
customized configuration - barebones +CPU +GPU
Intel 6700k
1080 GTX
120Hz panel
330W PSU upgrade
INTEL 7265
Delidding + Liquid Thermal paste on CPU
No RAM/ No SSd

Yeah but the big jump will be AMD Ryzen on Laptop and future Intel 6+multicores.

But I'm only a gamer, doesn't need all at max

 

Thats a pretty good price. Its hard to beat. That configuration runs much more prebuilt. I bought my stuff barebones as well.

 

I'm a sucker for the P870DMx/KMx series. Hard to go backwards.

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I think those are the best built clevos. I just wish they would move away from plastic. I mean 3k for a notebook and it feels flimsy. Im just spoiled is all.

 

Youre allowed to change your mind, no one is saying you aren't, I think its a safe assumption to make that you're losing money since these things fall in value like lead shoes as soon as it's in the second hand market

Good on you for making the decision to sell instead of just hoarding and inventing uses for things like I tend to do lol

 

Where's the replacement P870DM-G motherboard by the way? Why take so long?

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Anyone know if Geocube is going to sell a few more of those 1070 for Clevo or do you have to contact him for it?

 

Just assume that it is dead.
they still couldnt figure out the problem yet.

 

what shame. oh well, lets wait for MSI 1060 to go down in price or the next generation of cards then.

 

That is a shame, what was the issue?

I am in need of a new MXM card for my Clevo, the M290X is a good card when it decides to be reliable that is which is rarely.

Anyone seen anything of the Rx 460 or 470 on MXM?? Even the Rx 480 that would work on the Clevo?

 

I believe from what people have reported is the power chokes or the VRMs failed.

IIRC the AMD cards use an incompatible EC chip.

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Someone's thinking that if the MXM GPU market is too small, it's time to expand the market... to farms.

(Presumably render-farms, data-mining-farms, crypto-currency-mining-farms, etc., rather than farm equipment self-driven with GPUs.)

(Server cards tend to have passive heat-dissapation depending on the server blowers. So they will have "universal" MXM heat sinks that work for many combinations of GPU card and server enclosure?
So it might be a simpler market, quickly commodified. In contrast, notebook GPU cooling heat-pipes are currently specialty equipment designed for the layout of case vents and the wattage to be dissapated. Often multiple designs per case trade weight vs. wattage disappated.)

 

Are you sure about that? The silver stone system appears to use the gecube card at least it looks identical to the GeCube version at 1:19

 

I want to believe too but that is just a prototype, not a production unit

 

Cough...shipping with wrong vBIOS...115W version used on 90W card...cough...using non-standard MSI/Clevo firmware version on MXM-B card...cough...

 

they said the main reason why it didnt work well is because the power voltage of notebooks(19.5V?) and desktop(20V) is different. the card worked fine in their testing desktop motherboard.

 

I don't believe that story for a second.

Power supply spec for ATX is +-5%, that means a power supply is operating normally when its outputting anywhere from 11.4V-12.6V on the +12V rail as voltage changes with load. I don't know what the tolerances are for laptop power supplies or mainboard regulation so will defer to those who know such things for certain but my BS detector goes off if the story is it can't handle a ~3% lower voltage.

If that is what caused the problem something is seriously wrong with their design regardless. But pushing an under spec VRM too hard and fibbing to hide their mistake sounds much more believable

Edit; aren't desktop cards supplied with 12V via slot and 6pin/8pins? Where does 20V even come from?

 

no idea on this one.
either way, we can all erase gecube off the radar for now.

 

So far no on has had issues using the MSI bios on a zotac card though right?

 

IIRC, Gecube and Zotac 1070 MXM-b are the same hardware. Zotac just doesn't sell standalone GPUs.

 

That's what I figured but only the GeCube samples have these issues afaik

 

Glad the MSI 1070s are still in good shape otherwise MSI owners would be raging!

 

Yeah as much as the company stinks their 1060 and 1070 gpus are the best option for upgrades this generation and that @Coolane can push 260W through his and not have it blow up shows its a high quality product too.

 

another thing is that Gecube uses different VRMs, kinda of plastic feeling(low budget?)
while zotac's VRMs are obviously better quality, they looked like the ones MSI uses and the ones used on desktop cards.

And, maybe they used a different MOSFET as well? i dont know how to tell so i'm just assuming they are using a different material as well.

btw I'm just a regular person who likes to diy so i'm not so sure about all these electronic parts, i only know the basics that most people have.

 

That and the motherboard's power circuitry. The P870DM-G has a decent one as stated by Khenglish.

 

Since they aren't sold without the system, I don't think that more than a handful of people are actually using a Zotac 1070 in their Notebooks.
If they would really want to fix their 1070 MXM-B then they would simply fill the blank spots with the missing MOSFETs and use a proper vBIOS instead borrowing MSI/Clevo versions from totally different hardware.

 

why these mind boggling decisions though? to cut cost? and then have the thing blow in their face?

 

there are new eurocom gtx1070/1080 mxm 3.0b cards

 

These work in all Clevo models I assume? Perhaps 1080 in my Clevo P150 is not a dream too far away.

Also interesting, MXM 3.0 are all non-standard size whereas MXM 3.0a and b are specific sizes.

 

may be but you need to consider that a gtx1080 is a really hot card

 

interesting. cant wait to see actual pictures of them. dont have much hope price wise though

 

Choow choow!! Hype train!!

 

When would we get to know about the Eurocom new MXM 3b cards coming?
The 1070 would be perfect 120W that is 5 less TDP than my M290X and even that never reaches 70 degrees with my heatsink mod and opolar fans.

 

MSI 1070 is actually 115W.
Clevo 1070 is 125W.
(Default without modifying the vbios.)

 

I've looked at a clevo 1070 vBIOS and it states 115W.

 

They are definitely lying about the 20v part unless they are using nonstandard desktops that support MXMs like the Silverstone prototype or HP elite 8200 in both cases they use laptop style bricks that might be providing the 20v cited

 

@aaronne So they will also support SLI or what?

 

I asked. No response. I'd be surprised if they did tho, at least for my clevo p370em. Doesn't cool well enough.

Although bennyg 1070sli thread proves it can be done...

I don't know why I'm frothing so much. It's not like I need to upgrade from 970m sli for another 2 years. Unless it breaks.

 

the newly shipped ones came with OC'ed at 125W

 

Is the Eurocom GeForce GTX 1070 125W or is it 150W?

 

it won't matter since you'll be modding the vBIOS anyway.

 

Well, it does matter to me, I asked Eurocom, wont give me an answer instead they are more interested in what kind of laptop I have and what colour the sky is.
All the ones I seen on eBay, taobao and ali is 150W TDP but now someone says its 115W - 125W?

 

maybe download @Coolane's tool and any 1070 notebook vbios from techpowerup and see what the TDP is set to.

 

I'd also be interested in this tool, I flashed the latest msi vbios I could find to my zotac card

 

1070 was never 150W.
it is either 115W or 125W depending on whether it is a MSI card or Clevo card.
(im talking about Official vbios of course uneditted)

 

How about upgrading P775DM1? Still it's immposible? And how about Premas bios for Kabylake?