The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

Except where the edge (and the tab) means it can't fit ;p

 

Here's to hoping Eurocom cards use higher quality components. I know they have some control over the manufacturing, and at the price point they charge, I would pay for the cards IFF the components are top quality. No reason why they should be subpar compared to MSI.

 

Well, I thought they are going for the "Standard MXM3.0b" route.

But nope, these are simply not MXM3.0b (Well the TDP is maxed at 95W technically for the spec and the 980M goes to the north of 140+W but leaving that efficiency outside, the physical design of the cards should be identical for the MXM3.xb not this, Nvidia dropped it but the OEMs should have access to all the technology specifications) Now I have to mod the HS for them to fit into...MSI 1070 is robust & can even do SLI but modding an entire chassis+HS is out of whack..

Why can't they just design the MXM 1070 chip like a Quadro P5000 proper MXM3.0b and also 100W standard & yeah no more SLI, Seems like another downplay with exorbitant price, pay a 1080Ti price for an underpowered chipsets which aren't even compatible with older machines, forget SLIing them with them..

I guess I'm done with the laptop DTR game. One last reveal, Z390 Clevo, that's it, the future will be depending on that.

 

what im most interested in is if @Prema ´s prediction of Clevo sticking to their new / current MXM form factor holds true in the next gen Clevo models. If that is the case, then the future wont look SO blatant as it does right now, right after the big break between standard MXM to non-standard MXM...

 

with ASrock(ASUS) and other OEM testing the water with MXM compatible minipc i think that wont be the case for long

 

The biggest change would come if HBM was the standard memory for the next-gen cards, but it looks like GDDR6 is next for nVidia so we still have some hope of mxm 3.0b , at least up until 1170 series. 1180 will probably need a bigger pcb like the 1080s.

 

Any news on the AMD Radeon Rx 580 MXM3.0b from Eurocom?
Seems like in China they take many days to ship anything from Taobao, the seller better HURRY.

 

Also interested in the RX 580

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/index.php?posts/10611282



It seems results are starting to show up.

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That was exactly my point - if they limited the TDP to 100W, why change the VRM layout at all?

I was really hoping to a cheaper MXM 3.0b alternative to P5000M that can fit my heatsink with no fuss. Theoretically, Aetina cards use much smaller inductors so those could probably fit after a long puzzle game with the various pads and that whacky VRM, but I didn't really see those readily available.

 

Extra fets in the VRM share the load and increase efficiency. Inefficiency is not a problem of itself unless the heat (from power lost due to the inefficiency) can't be dissipated, and they heat up, further lowering efficiency, generating more heat, etc etc until a sensor tripping a temp limit causes a shutoff... or a pop and magic smoke does.

Simply adding more/better components to the vrm may have been all that the gecube cards needed, maybe it's the overall design, or other cheap components that get too inefficient above 100W to be long term safe. I would expect a professional outfit like Eurocom to have thoroughly tested and be happy to warranty the cards over the long term at the provided spec. And there to be a reason why it's 100W not 115W.

I would *not* be modding the power limit on those cards above 100W.



Aetina = unpossible. They don't want to sell to individual users. Plus, 4 pin power (top right of their 1070/1080 boards) is no easy task to mod in - only seen in laptops designed for the clevo 980dt e.g. P870DM(1) had them (assuming ofc the spec is the same)

 

I'm amazed that MSI's 1070 can mod like a champ while the alternatives aren't so crash hot. Just a shame that it only fits into a few laptop models.

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The 980M cards using the standard layout seem to be working OK given that the TDP often goes over 100W. So, what's the point of redesigning the VRM only to find out that it's not really efficient (burned GeCube cards) so you have to reduce the TDP anyway?

Regarding GeCube, it would be interesting to know why their first cards missed a few of those MOSFET's given that the PCB clearly had marks where they were supposed to go?

But, given how they're all using the same design, could it be that the design was provided early on by Nvidia or something, just never developed and tested fully since they went with the bigger format?

BTW, yes, I forgot that Aetina cards have that extra power connector and that they're not an option.

 

@ Eurocom Support
Can you give us an ETA on when the RX 580 MXM is coming out?

Also how much would it cost?

 

So basically unless a change is made in the future we should stick with MSI or zotac implementations of the 1070?

Its a shame we can't put another spare GPU in the zbox, unless that's been changed? Just a shame that you end up with a paper weight that could be a secondary machine

 

I'd stick with just the MSI 1070. I've TDP boosted the GPU to a stock desktop 1070 and it's still going strong.

 

Hey thanks ill keep that in mind for a future upgrade

170w on yours? Like what I see, very promising. I need to look into how to mend heat pipes though, seems to be a bit of a mystery to do. At least google has let me down in that regard.

 

I have it adjustable between 151W and 170W and in Firestrike it scores better than the desktop 1070 even with the slightly slower core clock but it compensates for that with the extra SMU cluster that's absent on the desktop 1070.

 

Once punctured the internal vacuum escapes, there's no mending them, only desoldering and replacing

Chinese etailers (aliexpress) have a range of sizes, whether its worth the work depends on how cheap (or expensive) you can get a new heat sink assembly.

 

I have a couple on ebay on watch until I actually pull the trigger on a Ranger. 4 heat pipe CPU and 5 heat pipe GPU heatsink. If I end up going the route of 1070 later on I might need to follow previous mods examples and add a pipe for the VRMs and such...

Then I have to splice a switch to bypass PWM control on the replacement fans as well since iirc cant take advantage of faster fans natively.

Fin array will likely end up being the bottleneck by the time Im done, ill throw in the towel on that one. Lot of work to add fin density from what I see on T|I

 

I went ahead and just went up to 185W TDP with 1.050v and 2050 mhz.(2089 mhz if its below 42C), with curve I think(?) set at +200 then 1.050v locked with curve flattened past 1.050v.
But tbh firestrike scores are no better than regular +180 offset

 

I honestly think that the TDP boost to stock desktop 1070 is decent enough for me.

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Gents, Eurocom publish another Twitter post saying 1070mxm is available for selection with one of their laptops. On the other hand it comes with an uplift of £120 pounds from the 980m. Meaning a stip £740 ballpark for the 1070mxm! Your thoughts please!


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Team,

I have an older clevo p157sm-a laptop with an 870m and was interested if I can upgrade to an 1060/70 mxm? Who is selling them?

 

that's expected, but still disappointing. though $150 upgrade from a 980M is not bad?

 

Try the MSI 1060.

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ANyone got info on that GTX 1080 card????
It seems to run a GTX 1080 without an external powersource? Oo

 

It doesnt if you look at the video there is clearly a power connector. It may run without it but who knows. Also the card seems a little long. I think its past the 82x105 dimensions.

 

It doesnt seem connected tho or am I being blind here?

 

Its not. But it more than likely was for the purpose of the video.

 

There aren't any headers for it to be connected on the motherboard - Also of note, it's MUCH longer than a standard MXM card, but seems to be the normal width... It's mounted at an angle!

 

I think it might be wishful thinking seeing as how the card has the connection it more than likely utilizes it but as i said it could run without it. Truly the only way to really know is to bite the bullet and buy the system. Which is crazy. But hell its for sale and well you know science.

I believe it is an aetina M3N1080-NN. The card seems to match up.

 

there is a interesting poll made by Eurocom

https://twitter.com/EurocomTech/status/918210820605120513


What GPU would you like to get in your next GPU-upgradeable high end laptop?
16%GTX 1080 (MXM3)

53%GTX 1080Ti (MXM3)

5%SLI GTX 1080 (MXM3)

26%VEGA 10 (MXM3)

 

this is their gtx1060 and it is an aetina card so that gtx1080 could be the same

asrock gtx1060


aetina gtx1060



aerina gtx1080

 

That 1080 is clearly about 1cm taller - The 1060 is normal height, the 1080 is taller by a bit more than the width of that power connector.

What I see, though, is that 1080 with connector MIGHT fit well inside the P870DM/DM-G model.

 

there is also an eurocom gtx1060 mxm 3.0b

https://twitter.com/EurocomTech/status/920333560707473409

 

PCB looks same as GeCube version?

 

I wonder who makes this cards looking very similar to GeCube from taobao, but with more VRMs?

 

580 AMD @150W coming as well. Would like to see benchmarks in AAA games for the 580 and 1070 mxm formats.

https://twitter.com/EurocomTech/status/920671770755166208

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Yes, that seems the same

 

could you confirm that the green 1070 you have for offer at ebay is manufactured or designed by GeCube or not?

 

82x105mm MXM3 1060 and 1070 GPU modules are Eurocom specific designs as far as I know. We designed them for laptops not desktops. Same as RX580 and RX480.

 

so I have the clevo p377sm-a with gtx970ms inside
what options do I have from the newer graphics cards??
thank you

 

You can upgrade to 1060 or 1070 providing that your LCD panel is eDP.

 

Whats best option ?
GTX 980m 8Gb $396 or gtx 1060 6gb $562 ?

 

1060 has better performance over the 980M.

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I wonder if ill need to mod the heatsink still to install the Eurocom 1070 into an Alienware 17 Ranger.

 

The 1060 has better performance and power efficiency but the 980m has the potential for an unlocked bios and the ability to overclock much better. The 1060 performance is within 10% to 15% of a stock 1060 and when you properly overclock a 980m it can overtake it. If you can get one for around $300 I would recommend the 980m otherwise the 1060 is fine but they are practically the same.

 

If the layout between the 980M and the 1070 is the same then I don't think you'll need to do so.

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that would be very convenient for me personally lol but I still plan to get one in the future regardless.