The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

do you have a consolidated page for us to choose and purchase these new cards separately?

 

Just do a comparison of the two cards. That should be enough confirmation if it works or not.

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Too bad that there's no SLI support on those Eurocom cards.

 

Yeah was going to but finally got my cash so im looking at some Rangers right now and maybe make a thread in the marketplace.

 

For me guys that I already have gtx970m's I think the gap between mine cards and the eurocom gtx1070 is not too much difference
I saw the benchmarks with the 1070 in eurocom site and its a lot cut down card
I rather buy gtx980m's

 

The 1070 is at least a 50% increase over the 980m. Also the tdp can be increased.

 

He means SLI notice the " 's "

 

Yeah sorry i forget the sli bridge is not common anymore

 

I agree with you but eurocom version of the 1070 is cut down
Its not like the usual 1070
And of course I was talking 2 980m

 

Totally reasonable. Sli is in such a poor state nowadays. 75% of the games i play dont support it. I just switched from a 980 ti sli setup with ek water blocks to a single 1080 ti with ek block. Finally decided sli just isnt worth it. Only sold one 980 ti so far if anyone is interested.

 

Dude, the notebook 1070 is not cut down per se. The notebook 1070 has an extra SMU cluster (128 CUDA cores) over the desktop 1070 to compensate for the slightly lower core clock. Once you do a TDP mod to the vbios to match the desktop 1070 you'll be matching, if not beating desktop 1070 performance.

This has been stated many times before.

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are you sure??
I mean the eurocom 1070 is 115tdp,i saw benches through they're website and I don't think that the msi-clevo 1070 gets 16800 graphics score in firestrike
its far behind

 

see my sig. I have my 1070's TDP set to 151-170W and it can score higher than a 1070 at the stock TDP of 115W. I've been running this mod for months.

Even digital foundry's video on the notebook 1070 shows its within the performance range of the desktop 1070 with a mild OC and no TDP mod.

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I have my MSI 1070 set to 151-185W TDP. And it also defaults to 115W. The card can handle a bit over 200W if you keep the VRM's cool. But the MXM slot is only electrically rated up to 195W burst power; 200W GTX 1080s come with an auxiliary power connector. Now are the Eurocom cards as robust as the MSI cards? No one will know until someone tries to mod it to 150W and over. The MSI 1070 card has been tested at 250W for short runs by @Coolane

 

If you cap the fps to 60 then it won't go over 115W...fine with that.

If uncapped it'll get close to 151W or 170W if i set the power limit to 112% in nvidia inspector.

 

Im also curious if the TDP can be modded on the Eurocom 1070, its likely that I will be purchasing that card in the future after selling off some laptops I have retired.

Well I should say more accurately if the Eurocom card can handle the additional power without blowing up lol. Either way I plan to get one in the future.

 

Question:

1. I have my loved np8268-s (p150sm-a) currently on 870m. Since it has edp port via service manual, i asked Sager if i can put edp display panel. Sadly, the agent said it cannot. Is it true?

2. How come EM series gets 1070 gpu support? How about HM/SM series? I knew it uses LVDS panel but i also knew igpu outputs edp then the PS8625 chip converts into LVDS output then to display..

So meaning there is a chance to run nvdia 10 series to old clevo optimus?

 

It's just a vbios mod, not a hardware mod. We ie. Me and @Coolane just modded the firmware.

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Right I understand that, but werent the Gecube cards dying after submission to overclock?

 

They didn't die from vbios modding but a mix of an unsuitable vbios and crap quality components.

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This isnt the case with the Eurocom 1070? I understand they should be fine for stock operation but at 150-170w?

Also I saw someone mention benchmarks with the Eurocom 1070, does anyone have a link or was that their twitter account?

 

We don't know anyone who has the Eurocom variant that can check for sure. vbios modding is dependent on the laptop having a decent power circuitry on the motherboard in order to provide that amount of power.

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I would like to try 150w at some point but just have to wait and see if someone gives it a go on my platform, it will be a while yet before I get my hands on a 1070 @ 800 USD

 

The P170SM (extremely similar to 150) has been upgraded with 1060 and 1070 see OP of the Successful mxm gpu upgrade thread

Not sure whether thru eDP out or thru optimus, info will be in the links

 

I have the Zotac GTX 1070 with MSI VBIOS, I want to know how to mod the TPD in order to increase performance...

 

Did you get the extra 3 missing MOSFETs in place for the Zotac 1070 GPU on the top row ? If there aren't extra MOSFETs then It might be a risk either blackscreens or GPU Chipset might go dark (Since we alr know the 980M default Clevo GPU chipset lacks the extra components and blackscreen's even with high temps on some cards. If we do the same for the 980M we can OC it very high and burst it to 200W too, ofc this peak power is not viable or safe on the 17 R1 but the P870DM ) If so, I guess you can try here. Thanks to brother Coolane, Mr. Fox, Bloodhawk, thegh0sts and others..

Also check for the vBIOS chip if they are not MXIC (there are variants in this too which is mod friendly and other non friendly which is found on Quadros, firmware extraction being hard due to the pins) chips you can't flash them Inline IIRC (that means de-soldering required). Also you need to get a External programmer HW as well. With proper clips. AND backing up the default BIOS, Also the Chip too if going for extreme modding (like removing the BIOS chip, not preferred unless someone checks with the Zotac 1070 for the circuitry, robustness like the MSI 1070 GPU MXM. Just in case if any thing blows up)

Yeah everyone who are just an Nvidia fan can say thanks to the Greed Goblin for their digital trickery filth and the BGA kids who bought them and supporting that trashware, oh and also the ones who rip off and no crediting and open season of the Flasher kits/BIOS mods.

Soon the phase 3 will kick in combination with Mafia$oft's UEFI Class III and Nvidia shenanigan Level 3. Where all can kiss goodbye to all the Computer HW and throw them into a dumpster since they are like crApple where you don't own the HW anymore which you bought & are made for planned obsolescence.

Even if one OEM has the ounce of passion & enthusiasm that we share it would have been such a better place..Don't hope for it.

 

Where can I get the extra MOSFETs? Can I remove them from another card? like a GTX 770M?

 

It's not good idea to use used MOSFET-s, because they typical have much lower reliability. Moreover, Pascal cards have different power MOSFET-s than nearly all cards before. As I remember, these MOSFETs are CSD87355Q5D from Texas Instruments. If you have corporate email and set up free TI account, you can order few pcs as free samples.

 

So people are looking to get extra mosfets to handle the extra power throughput?

 

Has anybody heard any news about the Gecube 1070 card reliability? New improved production version? The version i'm looking at seems to have all the mosfets. MSI 1070 is like 100$ more in price...

 

Thanks for the info, I will order a few!

 

I have order them already!

Thanks for this!

 

1070 is now available gpu option for clevo p150sm-a by Eurocom.

https://t.co/mKOMICAyiN?amp=1

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Also for Alienware 17, but is 22 bucks more...

 

Yeah.. however no bios required, edp panel, 230w psu nor modified heatsink.. it is just plug and play?

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but still Clevo P775DM1 not upgradeable with 1070 :/ (meaning plug&play+vbios), its a big failure of that clevo model.

 

The best you can do without doing any sort of modding is the MSI 1060. If the Eurocom 1070 is proven to be as robust as the MSI 1070 (ie. not die) then it's a decent upgrade path.

 

Has there been any news on the RX 580 mxm card?

Apologize in advance if its already been spoken of at length earlier in the thread...

 

Eurocom confirmed/hints av Vega 10 for MXM is coming, this is great news for us who prefer AMD over nVidia.
https://twitter.com/EurocomTech/status/927960885255114753

It will be interesting how many Vega Compute Units there will be on it, 56 might be too power hungry, I am assuming its around 30 or 40 for the 100W TDP card.
Eurocom has also not succeeding in getting the 480 and 580 to work in Clevo's yet and I am just going to assume they might never work just because they are not made to the standards of Clevo, maybe I am wrong and its just a vBIOS thing but Vega 10 seems more promising now.

 

Vega 10 could also mean 10 Compute Units, or 640 Stream Processors: https://i.imgur.com/WCwvqUk.png

 

Ugh confusion. "Vega 10" has been the codename for the full 64cu vega chip floating around the Internet for the past year...

As for a 30 or 40 cu Vega... I doubt it. The RX580 is the equivalent of 36cu already, and IPC is basically unchanged between Polaris and Vega, and the difference - higher clocks - is what drives Vega power draw through the stratosphere...

 

Yeah I know. Vega 10 = V64 and V56. Polaris 10 = RX 580/480 and RX 570/470.

I just have a hard time seeing how they can fit this huge thing on MXM-B. The GPU die (486mm^2) and HBM2 (92mm^2 each) together is 670mm^2, and the molded package according to that AMD slide is 815mm^2. I'd imagine the package height is larger than normal as well given the interposer that the GPU and HBM stacks sit on. At the very least, massive heatsink changes are needed.

 

It would actually fit fine on mxm since there's no need for space to be wasted where the gddr5 chips normally go.

Plus there's still the RX Vega Nano that is supposed to come out, but I highly doubt we will see Vega in MXM form. I think Eurocom was just trying to see how much interest there would be.

 

But the mounting holes for the heatsink standoffs would get in the way, unless maybe the package was rotated 45 degrees. But that would necessitate heatsink changes like I said to account for the package orientation and z-height.

 

Thanks for sharing guys.

I am not a huge fan of nvidia but its not like I will oppose buying the 1070 outright just because of it. Though if there is chance of getting an AMD alternative then that would be great as well.

Wouldnt mind an RX 580 8GB or Vega alternative as long as I can install it without too much modifications or supplementary power.

 

Thanks friend!!!

I just get 5 samples MOSFETs for the card from TI, I think I can solder them on weekend...

Should I use a heatgun with flux just like a normal chip??? any special recomendation?

How can I know if they are working once I solder them?, I mean I want to perform a benchmark before/after to know if they are working...

 

I imagine you would have to mod the tdp of the card and if it doesn't blow up it might be a good sign

 

i'll be interested if it perform better than the 1070.

 

Recently, there are more versions of MXM3.0B 1070 released into the market, they all looked like the GECUBE's card. (i have no idea how to tell the difference)
This might be why Eurocom's 1070 looks like gecube's.
and apparently, this version of the standard 1070 is still functioning after furmark and games. (will update if boom)
link

update: died after stress testing.

 

looks like a minefield there