The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

Your welcome.

Hot air station will be definitely more safe. For heatgun I recommend also buying Kapton tape or cover all surface around the soldering point with e.g aluminum foil.

 

I'v ordered a card from the same seller in question. It'll arrive sometime next week, will give it a go on my p870dm-g. I'll report after some tests if it's still working.

 

Thanks for the info, I will do it that way!

 

Yes, we have: http://www.eurocom.com/ec/upgrades()ec

 

GTX 1060 MXM3 82x105mm card is supported in AW 17. There is no need to modify VGA heatsink. Here are some pics.

 

@Eurocom Support

Do you have any insight as to if the 1070 you offer can operate at a 150w tdp?

 

Why does the heatsink have a cut in it?

 

it's not just the card but also the laptop that it's going in.

 

Yeah I know, the ranger I believe can handle 150w beyond that is unknown to me.

 

I want to see someone buy the new cards from Eurocom and stress them, see if they are any better than the taobao stuff

 

Stress test it with Witcher 3 if you have the game.

 

Why are MXM cards so expensive?? :/

 

Human greed.

 

There are quite a few factors, but if you had to find one abstract attribute, that would be it.

 

Its the way Capitalism works, lower the demand, lower the production output, higher the price.
Higher demand, higher production output, lower the price.

This is one of many reasons why cheaper product usually utilise older technology were production lines already exists for and/or parts are abundedly available.
The system is driven by greed and profit motives after all.

This is why I cannot comprehend why the FFF embedded MXM cards are separate from consumer ones instead of just keeping them under one process and therefore decreasing the price on them, Dell MXM cards are usually cheaper than MSI, Clevo and the others.

 

Well, to address your second point, I'd also say greed is the cause.

Why would manufacturers want to aid MXM proliferation, and standardization, when it is far more profitable to sell someone an entire brand new laptop when their old gpu breaks or becomes obsolete?

-Overall profit on an MXM card (even mass produced) will be far lower than overall profit on a brand new BGA laptop.

-Supporting MXM will likely increase warrantee fraud as users break their cards or laptops while doing an install and try to get it covered by the warrantee.

-Supporting MXM will require significant initial additional funding for RDT&E as laptop engineers will have to break from their habits and actually start following standards.

-Laptops employing MXM will always be thicker than BGA laptops. While irrational, the consumer wants thin gaming notebooks and are willing for them to be disposable. There's no incentive here to bend over backwards and employ MXM.

-There's little to no demand/practicality for MXM use in the enthusiast desktop realm.

-MXM 3.0B will likely not be able to support HBM.

Largely MXM is only used when there is no other cheaper option.

If a company expects a lot of gpu warrantee issues, then they'll employ MXM - this is really only a large scale enough issue to be impactful in the professional market.

If a company caters specifically to enthusiasts, then they'll try to use MXM or else lose the majority of their customer base. Clevo; but even Clevo is moving away from MXM.

MXM 3.0b was a good attempt at standardizing something which no manufacturer actually wanted standardized because there is little to no profitable reason to do so.

As such, it was never fully adopted, almost no one follows the standard, and is outdated from a technical point of view. There's a reason why current gen gpus are hard to impossible to fit on a MXM module.

 

Maybe I don't want to see the truth... But really dislike all your facts.... :S

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mxm is being used for mini gaming pcs.

 

Linus does not know what he's talking about
mxm cards will continue to exist because eurocom, clevo, msi, gecube, asrock, zotac, amd, tesla, Aetina are pushing those
Eurocom/MSI/Clevo


P750tm


p775tm

p870tm

gt62vr

16L13


gt72vr


gt73vr


gt75vr


gt83vr

MSI Vortex G25


MSI Vortex G65 6qf

MSI Vortex G65VR


Gecube/AMD



Asrock

H110-STX MXM

Z270M-STX MXM


deskmini gtx1060/gtx1080





HP
Z2 Mini G3


zotac




tesla (autopilot)




Aetina (industrial applications)



Edit
Dell
7520


7720


HP
zbook g4 15

zbook g4 17

Lenovo
p71

 

If anything I see an increase in the use of MXM cards in consumer computers, even back in the day there really were not that many MXM laptops I mean sure there were Acer, Alienware and a few MSI laptops that used them but largely no more today, really what about today? HP, Dell, Toshiba, Clevo/Sager, Samsung, even fewer MSI ones, Lenovo, Eurocom, Asrock and a whole bunch of other smaller manufacturers utilise MXM cards, there is also a massive surge in the use of MXM standard in bitcoin mining for better and worse I suppose.

MXM cards are also HEAVILY used in the embedded market as replacing the entire motherboard for a simple GPU failure is not acceptable to any reasonable economist at a Corporation or business.
A lot of servers also started employing the factor more and more.
And there will always be a drive to put GPU's on MXM sized cards as computer standards shrink more and more, the drive towards mobility is ever increasing thanks to cellphones really.

Remember when everything had to be bigger and better just a few years ago? Well the opposite is happening, now everything has to shrink. Even if MXM ceased to exist another standard would arise whether it gets adopted into gaming laptops or not is a different matter, Clevo still sell the most upgradeable laptops so someone must be buying them for there to be demand enough to justify the costs.

 

This is what I had to do to get a Clevo 1080 to fit in a P157SM-A frame with a P150EM motherboard and be cooled somewhat adequately. I can only handle around 150W sustained, but that's 90% of the TDP unlimited performance. Those 5mm heat pipes barely survived the bending.

 

Installed my Chinese bought standard 1070 yesterday on my p870dm-g. Had to use a copper shim on the core to elevate the heatsink a bit (was hitting a component) and all the thermal pads needed to be thicker aswell, since the 1mm shim raised the heatsink.

Just installed drivers and ran Firestrike once, 13614 pts all stock settings with i7-6700. Max temp during firestrike was 72 with fans on auto.

I will play Witcher 3 today and that'll show if the card is still working after that.

 

I love it.

 

keep us posted man.

 

wow! could you create a dedicated thread for that upgrade? I could add it here
Successful MXM GPU Upgraded Laptops http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/successful-mxm-gpu-upgraded-laptops.805136/

 

Played Witcher 3 for an hour, no problems. This card is heavily power limited, at maximum GPU stress it seems to run on base clock 1443Mhz. Played Diablo 3 too, it doesn't stress the gpu so much, boosts to 1.7Ghz. Temps steady at 79-80 with auto fans (almost silent).

But it's performing nicely

 

what vendor? gecube? msi?

 

It looks exactly like Gecubes or Eurocom card. Dont know the maker, no stickers indicating it on
the card.

Picture: http://www.kolumbus.fi/saltsi/kuva/019_1070.jpg

 

Another M18xR2 > 1060 upgrade



Something to note, there are two rubber feet on the back of the card, I highly recommend removing them:



Just pull them off, they're held by adhesive. Then the GPU will sit properly:



Thanks @woodzstack @aaronne

 

Your welcome my friend ! Anytime you need help, I'm where you can expect me, though I do sleep sometimes, I do get back to people as you've seen !

very good performance BTW.

 

Anyone see notebookcheck.net's firestrike results for the 1070Ti? It looks like it's scoring less than my TDP boosted 1070 notebook.

1070Ti (combined) - 15061
1070Ti (Graphics) - 18405

my modded 1070 (combined) - 15904
my modded 1070 (graphics) - 19084

this is an older result so I might retest to confirm if I have the power of the 1070Ti in a notebook and if I do that'll be great!

EDIT: latest result at stock speeds

https://www.3dmark.com/fs/13078558

Not to shabby....it's pretty much running as a 1070Ti.

 

Still working nicely, played through Wolfenstein 2 at 1440p high settings, never going under 60 fps, between 60-85 normally. Going to put my MSI 1060 card up for sale...

 

this is awesome! can you share the taobao link you used to buy this card?

 

This one

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=560921374623&ft=t&toSite=main

 

@Khenglish
I'm watching your work and it is awesome!!!
https://premamod.wordpress.com/2017/10/10/clevo-pascal-mxm-standard/

 

You had it shipped to US?

 

Europe, Finland, i used an agent service to buy it, they charged ~50$ for shipping EMS.

 

its a decent price. can you remind me again what laptop you put the card in? If you can make a dedicated thread for this it would be so awesome

 

any news about the RX480?

 

This 13614 pts is Graphic score or Overall score?

 

Clevo P570WM with SLI of GTX1070
https://mobile.twitter.com/EurocomTech/status/938088335540662272
@Eurocom Support

Is that a mxm 3.0b card?

 

Overall 13614, graphics score 16466

 

And you put thicker thermopads on these elements?
And what are the dimensions of copper shim you used?
I seriously think about buying this card. How long did you wait for shipping? I'm also from europe.

 

Someone correct me if wrong ( @Khenglish?) if mxm layout is different from desktop - but they look like shunt resistors, they monitor power draw through each vrm phase, they don't need cooling. Its the row of ten low profile black square chips along the edge of the pcb that need the best cooling.

 

Indeed.

 

I'm not sure what you are referring to, but in that image 4 core capacitors and the 2 memory FETs are circled. The 2 memory FETs and the 10 core FETs should be cooled. The 6 large inductors should also have cooling, and of course memory should be cooled.

The only visible power monitoring resistor is the component with "R005" written on it.

 

Could you draw on this foto, in colored circles, witch elements should be cooled and witch elements dont need to put thermopads?

 

From what I understand, it's basically all of the discussed ones (the circled ones, the bottom row elements, plus the big LR inductors).

 

In other words: when in doubt, add thermal pads

LOL

 

The capacitors don't need cooling. They are the components with the 560 written on them.

The inductors don't really need cooling, but it is good to have. They cannot die from overheating (their solder will melt before they die) but they do put out a large amout of heat which could damage nearby components.