The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

If the layout is the same then you don't need to shim anything as it should fit with the 980M heatsink without modification.

 

For P870DM-G the shim is needed, one of the 980m heatsink retaining clips is hitting a component (top right one) and its needed to raise the heatsink a bit to clear it. Same with the Eurocom 1070 i believe. But depends on the Laptop how the heatsink fits.

 

Ah. It's not an issue with the MSI 1070 works with the 980M heatsink without modification and the 980DT heatsink with some modification.

That's the card I'd recommend.

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Also, one of my x-clamp legs aren't sticking to the PCB so might need to find a way to hold it in place.

 

Ah, then I misunderstood as my GPU heatsink has a copper protrusion to cool them (they're stacked together between the inductors unlike here) so I presumed they need to be cooled as well.

 

No I am still waiting for it to arrive, I contacted the seller and he said he shipped it to me he says it normally takes "2 months" for it to arrive, my patience runs out end of this month.

 

Not surprised. I had packages take 2 months to arrive and that was when I was in Korea

 

I guess the 1070 doesn't like CSM

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is there a way for the computer to determine which is a g-sync or a non g-sync card?

 

Bad news, my standard MXM 1070 blew up yesterday during normal Wolfenstein 2 gaming session. So not a good buy...

 

is this the Eurocom special?

 

It's from taobao, not the Eurocom one.

 

that sucks. Maybe go for the MSI 1070 if it can fit?

 

Yup going for the MSI 1070 next. Fits my P870DM-G just fine. Will try to get a refund from the seller...

 

Fair enough. I but don't me wrong, I wasn't trying to push to the MSI 1070

I also suggest getting the 980DT heatsink and modding it like it my case because I don't like the idea of the second GPU fan not being used.

https://imgur.com/a/Ae2KY

I got this mod idea from @Coolane but mine is more simple as I am not really hardcore into OCing even though I do some level of OC on my 1070.

I might even make a video on how to flash it even though it's quite simple. I'm just waiting on my replacement SOIC8 test clip before I can restore my GPU to it's proper state.

 

That's why I went with the MSI GTX 1060. I don't trust those 1070 designs.

The MSI 1070 should be much better. Can you show a front pic of the card?

 

I've had my MSI 1070 since November-December 2016 and still going strong.

 

Anyone play with the Eurocom 1070 at all?

 

I've been talking to prema about it and the standard mxm is just doesn't handle elevated TDP very well and just result the card's failure.

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I would also like to know what card this was and where it came from. Was your bios modded for higher tdp?
Thanks!

Sorry I just saw the pic of the damage. It wouldn't load in tapatalk. That's the mosfet area, same sort of issues I had with my msi 1070 and the exact reason the mosfets got custom cooling on my second card. I can't stress it enough guys the power circuits on ANY 1070 is going to be the hottest and most stressed part of the card in any machine. Make 100% sure you know they are cooled effectively or this will happen every time.

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Well a couple others have been using the MSI 1070 for a while now without much issue and from what I understand its a 150w TDP card.

I just dont want to use it as it covers a SATA port on my Ranger. So its either the zotac or Eurocom 1070 for me.

 

Or just get the MSI 1060.

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Nah, I got this machine with a 1070 in mind for its future. It will be my last laptop before going back to SFF systems in the future so I'd like it to last me a while.

 

It's modding time!

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You know it!

If i can get my darn Java course done this week and onto my Master's degree ill be modding this thing to hell and back.

I hate Java >.>, not sure why its included in an IT degree but w/e.

 

I just got the Rx 480 MXM card and it wont boot, its the same issues Eurocom had and I returned it to the Chinese seller who said it was okay because he already assured me they tested it on Clevo, must have lied or maybe they had the luck of the dragon.
Basically its the same issue when you plug in Dell cards into a Clevo, the laptop wont boot and gives you the beeping sound session telling you of the error.

The Rx 480 and 580 would work fine if they had the thermal monitoring like Clevo cards have sadly they do not and there no Clevo card version of the Rx 480, 580 or the M390X
Lets cross our fingers for Vega, it would been interesting to test Rx 480 in a MSI or Alienware if I knew someone who had one but oh well. They work fine in the ASRock MXM ITX motherboards by the way, the Chinese tested them.
The card was black PCB and not green.

 

Thats unfortunate.

I kind of wanted to get that card maybe for the Alienware 18 but it wouldnt work in there either since the 18 doesnt have eDP from what I understand.

Been kind of wanting to build a laptop with AMD primary GPU and nvidia slave for physx merely out of interest.

 

MSI 1070 can run at 195W TDP no problem if your laptop's power delivery system doesn't suck. Don't go over 170W TDP unless you know your thermal solution and mainboard can handle it. Overengineered card. Just make sure the thermal pads you buy are decent (Arctic 1mm pads will do, unless your thermal solution requires 0.5mm or 1.5mm or mixtures) and some Kryonaut. You can use Conductonaut on the GPU, but make very sure you protect the SMD resistors if you do that. 3 coats of transparent nail polish (Cellulouse based) will work as insulation, or Super 33+ tape works, or if you're OCD, you can use both Kapton/Super 33+ tape and Nail Polish in combination.

150W is 100% safe. Most users should use the range 151W-170w in the Pascal bios editor. Go past that and you're on your own.

 

I'm staying at 170W as my max.

I'm also waiting for my latest batch of ICD7 to arrive as AS5 is terrible IMHO.

 

Well, mxm3.0 is just about to get outdated!! Pcie gen 4 is on its way, along with mxm4.0, but there are some people saying that new gen laptops in 2018 will run gpus at a full blown pcie x16 gen 4!!

 

MXM doesn't get outdated when new PCIe gen comes in It's backwards compatible as always, But yeah Ngreedia killed the open standard, Still it lives on for the Quadro realm. A shame

Coming to the PCIe spec M18x had the old PCIe 2.0 and it runs the GTX 880M SLI and the current SLI doesn't even run at x16, It runs at x8 x8 on each card @ PCIe 3.0, Maybe the new Pascal 10xx series runs at HB bridge, Don't know the speed spec but the x16 x16 config x2 GPUs is relegated to the HEDT CPUs unless you sacrifice a lot of I/O & PCIe 4.0 is already outdated, shortest life vs the 2.0 and 3.0 as 5.0 gen is in the pipeline targeted for Q2 2019 (and the new version will be shown in 2017 summit) for finalizing the spec at massive gains so I'm guessing there will be a small scale of the machines equipped with the 4.0 spec just like the Broadwell, Expect them to roll out when the BIOS will be EOLed in / after 2020 hardware.

I think the PCIe on the 4.0 is like the same GDDR5X / G6 vs HBM (afaik the G6 beats HBM by a huge margin, 512GBps of HBM vs G6 with 384bit at 760GBps speed - overkill so expect a lower bus-width at perhaps 25x due to the GTX 1080 being at 3xxGB/s on G5X, considering the R&D need develop the HBM vs the previous solutions for profit isn't viable at all. Granted no need of the HBM for gaming needs which is the highest market share) unless the gains are way way ahead. The x16 x16 on SLI is possible with the 3.0 already but there are simply no CPUs in it, With the CFL being almost same as KBL in terms of IPC except the new node advantage and the Cache, the future 10nm++ is long way as it has to mature for the new spec since the 10nm can't be compared with 14nm+, the ++ is way ahead, also with Zen gen 2 on 7nm might also come with 3.0 on board as the PCIe SIG states that 3.0 BW is enough for the NVMe and the SLI too, unless the client needs super BW - Professional workloads, proprietary NVLink is the only solution for now or the GBe LAN. Plus Nvidia will milk the Pascal, the 1070Ti is the proof, also the vBIOS cancer locks and the new rumor that Volta derivative being the consumer centric since it has Tensorflow cores removed..

It's all speculation now with some important points. But the MXM MUST be kept alive, at-least until 2020, thanks to the Mafia M$ and Intel being on-board on ruining the whole landscape to an Orwellian drama show, we can't even assume what's looming at that timeline in the future for us considering the current state.. & it's more needed than ever due to the 2020 market shift which I think will be Massive !

 

The MSI 1060 and 1070 are solid cards.

It's the "standard mxm 3.0b" 1070s and others that aren't reliable.

 

yeah the blown mosfet is exactly like that baidu thread posted here a while ago, down to the location

 

A good reason to get the MSI 1060/1070 over the standard MXM variants. Even the Eurocom tested ones felt a bit dubious to me just from looking at them. Heck, I'd rather people do a full system upgrade if they couldn't get a 10 series card working due to technical or design limitations.

I feel that MSI's cards are well designed with quality components over baidu and that other group...athena i think???

 

I suspect the same... but theory is not enough to go on.

When someone TDP mods it to >200W and shows it surviving stability testing (as Coolane has) that'll be proof it's as good as the MSI. Even at 150W which will already overwhelm stock cooling in most notebooks

But for now all we know is they started it on a 100W power limit which is now upped to 115W and it looks a lot like the doomed gecube 1070 with more/better VRM components. Maybe that's all it needed to be perfectly reliable, but eurocom are happy to put their name on it and sell with warranty so that has to count for something.

 

Maybe me, @Coolane and yourself are the lucky ones with a perfect trifecta of space, cooling, and power.

 

Ahem....you guys forgot my 195W 1070...

 

well, hmm..you're not clevo and you technically has more power draw issues that many haven't seen with clevo.

 

Another example of a well built MSI 1070, despite the hoops you have to jump through to get the throttled notebook platform you have, to provide that kind of power to it

The hoops I have to jump through are to cool the slave card... I can *almost* get to the end of GT2 in Firestrike at 180W before thermal throttling on the slave (94C) starts dropping the clocks to ~1600mhz and we all know how short the FS graphics tests are...

 

What happened to the DM1? Don't tell me you ditched it.

 

It's cursed. Parts for it keep getting lost in shipping black holes, I paid metabox for the power LED board over 6 weeks ago (which has to be the last bit left that could possibly be borked) and I'm still waiting. Meanwhile prices for complete units are constantly dropping, one with 6700k/980M sli/4K went on ebay for AUD$1800 recently it's getting to the point by the time it's fixed it'll be worth more in parts anyway...... on the bright side I've got back 1/3rd of the purchase from the 1080sli DM3 selling the overkill spec RAM and SSDs it had. The second hand market for these DTR Clevos is a buyer's market not a seller's that's for sure......

 

that's a shame.

 

paypal and bank dispute?

 

Update: Managed to fix the card at least for now. Cleaned it up and soldered the blown capacitor off and left it without it. Booted right up, played through the same scene from Wolfenstein 2 where it blew up last time, this time no boom. Will see how long it holds up.

Update: Temporary fix, no idea where to find schematics to fix it.

Update: Totally dead now.

 

can you replace that capacitor? and maybe look into the schematics and see if you can add more?

 

Damn.... At least you attempted to fix...

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Any news on the Vega MXM cards? I cannot see to dig up anything new.

On a better front a friend of mine bought the AMD Radeon W7170M aka R9 M390X 4GB MXM card from Taobao through my account. We will be seeing if this card works with the Dell Alienware M17x R2 if it does its good news for Dell owners since its a Dell card it should work too bad it wont work on Clevo already confirmed by the Chinese as they tested it on a Clevo P150 variant.
While not exactly a 1060, it has the performance of a 970M if not better in some games thanks to fine wine technologies by AMD.

The 1060 seems to have a bug in the Clevo at least on mine where if there is a lot of switching between Optimus the laptop disconnects from the adapter and runs on battery, monitored the power usage and there absolutely nothing abnormal going on the card runs at its designated 80~W TDP with CPU also going about as normal.
It only happens in very few games though like World of Tanks or Civ V occasionally.
If anyone with the 1060 and older 3rd/4th gen optimus experience the same issue it be good to know perhaps there way to fix it or perhaps its driver related.

 

hmm.....I measured my GPU screws for my 1070 and it looks like they're using M1.6 x 4mm screws with a phillips head. Since my phillips head screws are wearing I figured I would at least try the same type of screws but with a hex head instead as linked below:

https://www.amazon.com/uxcell-M1-6x...=UTF8&qid=1515302730&sr=1-7&keywords=m1.6x4mm

These need a 1.5mm hex wrench and those are small enough that I could just tape it to the inside of the bottom cover....if the screws fit and they do fit I don't know why they never use hex screws for this?

 

Wait a minute.
@thegh0sts are these the exact same screws that are used in the CPU and GPU heatsink to fasten the heatsink to the GPU surface?
or are these different screws?

Are these the same screws as shown here?


if NOT, where can i buy these exact screws?