The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

The display is capable, but I think this is more about LVDS and eDP, I do not know if this card will work over eDP and 120HZ embedded screen, or if this will limit the 120Hz to 60Hz, because what I read in Google Translate is that the 3D feature is disabled with this card and I do not know if this involve to disable 120HZ.

 

No. The panel can do 120hz and the gpu can output 120hz neither have any reliance on 3D. The panel sits on 120hz constantly regardless of 3d content or desktop or whatever. Its the drivers for the gpu to produce the images (that are translated by the glasses into "depth") that's the problem because nvidia has abandoned 3D Vision.

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The big question is if this RX 480 MXM / E9550 can output LVDS. If it doesn't, we are screwed and Maxwell/GCN 1.0/1.1 are the end of the line for MXM 3.0B. Pascal has dropped LVDS support.

 

list all your questions down and I'll send them to the taobao seller this weekend

 

1. Does it support LVDS, DP, eDP, and HDMI
2. What is the rated TDP and max power draw
3. Does it support crossfire, with cable or over XDMA
4. Price in USD

 

Great thanks for the explanation

 

Does it works for 120Hz panels over eDP?
Works on Alienware 17 R5?
Delivery time & availability

 

You got it

 

@Raidriar @ssj92

PM me the questions you got for that taobao seller alongside the taobao link

 

I already asked him a few things on WeChat. Can't think of anything else atm.

 

Asked on Ali wangwang, waiting for reply (atm is 3am-ish in china)

 

RX480 MXM no LVDS

TDP 150W

crossfire is unknown at this point

@Raidriar @Ashtrix @Mr. Fox

I also asked gecube if they can do an mxm 3.0b gtx 1080, they said they need "nvidia public data"?
Dunno what this is, but they'll report back on Oct 17 to see if the 1080 can be applied to mxm 3.0b.

 

No ETA, no price, no progress...

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I'll be sure to send out info on PM only to avoid informing you of anything

 

Well, end of the line it seems. Damn shame. RIP all LVDS computers. Alienware M17x R3/R4 and A17 owners still have a chance though.

 

Check your PM for extra info, don't wanna tell @bennyg since he doesn't want to wait.

 

Alienware 17 R5 is compatible?
Thanks for the effort on this!

 

one of them did say the r5 was a test bed for the card

more details tomorrow

 

All the systems mentioned to Mobius 1 all run eDP cables, which is why they are compatible with the RX 480. It is the end of the road for LVDS users, which is quite a shame. So the final standings for top cards are:
GTX 980M from nVidia
Radeon 8970M/R9 M290X from AMD/ATi

End of an era. It's been fun ladies and gentlemen.

 

ETA is two months, I've already said this in this thread.

 

?? Have nfi what your comment is about. What I meant was I am assuming since they gave you no more info on price or eta we are no closer to something we can actually chuck in a laptop and try to get working?

 

I can feel you man, It is Indeed very sad. The good things are slowly being put to rest one by one, I can only see a desolated future ahead.
The LVDS -> eDP can't be fixed unless we have a Khenglish class hardcore experts here with some mobo schematics data.

On the other side the 150W TDP is Insane, That's what I feel, My OCed 980M pulled 140W which was guzzling down the juice so fast and ramping up the temps, well still needs a fine tuned thermal pad & paste job, still with the custom cooler mod it was fine but imagining a 150W TDP card I don't see any OC headroom with that AMD GPU to come close to the 1070 levels and hell even the stock speeds I have doubts, I think I'll just pass the RX480 at this point & those machines with shared heatsinks can forget this GPU, Maybe Vega can pull-off something better. The 1060 is still not a viable alternative given it's no SLI interface & few % of speed bump ~15% over 980M stock & being MSI'd subjected to huge MSI tax.

Thanks to @Mobius 1 for crucial info.

The 1080 with a 3.0b format would be crazy & not possible or they should be binned & TDP limted like the 980s from MSI-GT80 SLI @130W while the Clevo's had the 180W and 200W versions, I think the 1070 is a much better option & many would prefer it for a custom order (MSI 1070 already exists with the 3.0b form but the stupid tab and slight extra width) considering manufacturing cost and purchase cost & availability, Also even if they make it the 1080 would be hard to cool for the old 3.0b specced legacy slotted machines imo.

 

NNNNNNNNNNooooooooooooo :'(

EDIT: Picture Darth Vader at the end of episode 3

She was alive... I felt it!

 

maybe you can use the 5 pipe heatsink on the ranger to cool the 1080

 

LOL! "nvidia public data" means they need official design specs of nvidia for a 1080 in mxm 3.0b form factor so bye bye custom order, cuz thats the exact reason why all other oems did not publish any standard form factor gpus nvidia just stopped providing necessary data to make standard mxm boards with current gen chips...

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Ok as an Alienware 18 R1 owner, Im confused now whether to sell my laptop or simply sell my 880m pair and wait for a custom pascal card.

Im confused, and I dont like this move from both Nvidia and dell.

 

No surpise here...guess there is the M5500M haha. Arm and leg but LVDS support and mxm 3.0b...for those with beefy cooling

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Right, I double check again.

Gecube:
The RX480 positively DOES NOT support LVDS
TDP 150W
Unknown CF/XDMA support, he doesn't have the machine to test it
The GTX1080 MXM Type B 3.0/3.1 is possible but needs data from Nvidia (most likely board design), and even then it would still need an external power jack (needs to get NVIDIA R&D documents)


1060:
No LVDS
TDP in the range of 970M, maybe just a bit more
Alienwares SUPPOSED to be OK
17R5, 16F4 (the seller said this is an Alienware?) and P177 tested work

I'll ask if he test other 10-series on different laptop

 

Outstanding! news!

The 17R5 is Alienware, the 16F4 is a barebone of MSI.

But I'm concerned about the 150W of the RX 480, I would like to go for the 1060 with the 100 TDP Heatsink.

Do you know if the 1060 is on stock and what is the price?

Thank You!

 

700usd ala carte if you factor in shipping

I'll ask for more details on other tested laptop if they can work with the internal screen or not

 

Afaik the 980M SLI is not perfect in Alienware SLI configs, fans, 330W power limit. My suggestion is if you like the brand and machine's well built work & use only them for gaming (OCing would be not ideal since the 330W limit and locked secure BIOS is a hell) then you can opt for the 980M SLI and keep it until Volta, If you can't manage the SLI situation then sell it ASAP since LVDS hack would be super messy and only talented can do that but I don't see any enthusiast left with that brand anymore, 1060 can't SLI so it's a dead end there & RX480 TDP is too much imho. 980M is the max, now that Polaris also phased out LVDS, forget about making Volta/Vega work in those machines even if the 3rd tier card comes in MXM 3.0b.

Yeah very bad move from both companies and Dell was dead since 2013, It's not coming back. Intel's stupid BGA strat worked out..We had a good run and witnessed an amazing phase of a market segment, Time to part ways unfortunately, next up is Windows X brace yourselves for the shizstrom.

Here I'll leave these two extreme mods from a German forum on the Alienware 17 Ranger.
5Pipe GPU HS + Clevo 980 180W+ Fan mod & 5 Pipe CPU HS mod

 

Thank you!

I'm under eDP and 120Hz, hope it works.

Any of you have experience with AMD?

I'm thinking in the E9550 and skip the 1060, but I really don't know what kind of issues have been experimented with previous releases of AMD.
I can wait 3 - 4 months for upgrade to AMD,


Thank You!

 

Honestly guys, I'd rather buy the BGA machine and skip all this crap.

It's not worth it to upgrade mxm anymore.

 

Even for the E9550?
I have spend a lot on my computer (1TB MSATA, 120Hz Display, 2TB HDD, Battery, 240PSU, 32GB Ram, i7 4940MX), I think a last upgrade is worth it, cause it works amazing in this configuration, and I really like it.

The 480 is great, but 150 TDP are so rude for a 17" laptop, should I wait for the E9550 or get the 1060?

,
Thanks for all your great help Mobious1!

 

do you still have the old parts? you can get a decent money off it on the marketplace, /r/hardwareswap, or even ebay/craigslist


it's not practical anymore to upgrade the old machines, sorry to tell you that

 

I already sold them by ebay

 

I understand It, But if we get the BGA machines then there will be no reason to prevent " OEMs to further lock us out", Remember that clockblock fiasco stunt that nGreedia pulled ?

I see the upgrade option for MXM as an extra bonus when things were doing well as they should, but now I can see the main factor of purchasing a socketed system - User Serviceability, that thing is the best part, Just opt for your CPU or GPU anything. When I'm paying huge lumps of cash I can't be restricted to the OEM to manipulate me. If the day comes when Clevo's no more. I will consider myself out of High End notebook and get a craptop with a HEDT machine.

Glad to be anti BGA, BGA is 100% anti consumer agenda, Intel's fear about its dominance / margins lead to this HQ, HK crapfest, and that crApple's uber iDiot laptops / Closed ecosystem overcharged pricing led to this demise.

I just hate these OEMs and giant corps miking consumers, They can shove all the bullcrap to themselves. the WinX cummulative half baked POS garbage, Poorly binned crap-o-rama BGA HK CPUs and thin, flashy B$ BGA Alienwares, Doomed to hell ASUS machines, MSI's BGA Bugatti priced machines. And all Jokebooks, bubblegum iSheeple gamers, Fallacy and Buzzword marketing of Kool-Aid crapshoot can go to Hell.

I'll just use the 980M and maybe I'll try to mod this machine like those Germans or maybe a Volta/Vega Tier 3 MXM or Just keep this and move to Clevo-Prema machine. Anything can happen time will unfold..but no BGA ! It is not in my dictionary in this life.

P.S - Sorry for the tone, My blood just boils when I hear these things everyday, fed up of them tbh & long live MXM 3.0b !

 

My plans for the next couple of years are based off the fact I am a fiddler and new laptops are BORING and expensive for what they are.

TL;DR + rant warning.

I don't think anyone can come up with good explanation why MXM boards are so expensive. "Small market" argument doesn't wash with me, chinese factories make complex PCBs by the zillion for peanuts, QC doesn't drive a 20x cost increase. Other than that it's the same companies who get them manufactured also make entire notebooks manufactured and want you to buy a whole new unit - with Intel doing only HQ CPUs and now Pascal we are seeing this push to disposable BGA crap stepped up another level. And other than the unjustifiable price for MXM, there is little I see that really drives me upgrade. Intel has played out their market dominance against hitting a process wall, CPUs have stagnated, Kaby Lake will bring yet another generational 5% IPC and nothing else, how underwhelming. The benefits of DDR4 over DDR3 aren't huge. PCIe (M.2) based SSDs may be at peak seq r/w 5x as fast as SATA3 on paper but you'd struggle to notice it in anything short of a thrashed server drive. Thunderbolt is maybe "it" but I can't see what it could do for me other than an unportable eGPU or shuffling hundreds of gigs over a cable which I do ... almost never.

I recently bought a P370em for cheap (to my un-surprise discovered a resoldered 7970M, that's also my "Radeon experience" rofl) it's 3740QM does 4.1GHz max turbo with the +4 bins and maintains it as much as the cooling will allow with raised turbo power limits and would be on par with a 6700HQ:

THE 3740QM IS A MID RANGE QUAD IN A 2012 MODEL FFS.
It has eDP (optional 3D 120Hz screen), while a 40pin eDP 4K panel isn't a drop in upgrade due to the mobo slot being only 30pin it may still be possible (Darcoder here on NBR has modded his P377SM with a 4K and it's kind of working)
There's loads of info on cooling mods and I want to have a go fabbing a heatsink anyway and maybe watercooling it (maybe even closed loop internal) since it has a load of empty space where the ODD is

Nice to know the 16F4 (Haswell socketed MSI GT60) is mentioned, I bought one kind of thinking it'd be upgradeable, I'll try a 1060 in it if there's a market for selling it afterwards so I only cop a small loss (no money in the second hand modded laptop market here in Australia). While it has eDP I don't think that makes a difference since it's Optimus'ed and hmm something else to google, I'm not sure if it has a mux.

I will order one RX480 as soon as they are available and will bench it in my GT60 so you can see what they can do in 4K - also will see what's possible on a beefy single fan shared cooling system, and if crossfire is possible I'll grab another and test it in the p370. That's why I'm impatient!

 

If soldered BGA wins the day(which it has) and no mxm or socketed cpu's(still some for now) I don't think ill be buying another high priced laptop to be obsoleted in a week. GPU technologies especially are moving forward to fast to be tied to one card. Tinkering around and changing things and upgrading is half the fun. Like Mr. fox says buy a cheep cromebook and a killer desktop and have the best of both worlds(the best of both worlds would actually having both a killer laptop and desktop). I am very sad that the RX 480 won't work with the lvds maybe the embedded one will? I'll just sit back I guess to see if anything changes but if in the end ill just wait it out and buy some 980m's after the price comes down. Hopefully I get some later produced ones that last longer. Nothing last long these days sadly....thanks walmart

 

It is good news to hear 16F4 is compatible. I'm using a GT60 2PC myself. Please keep us posted with whatever you intend to do with your GT60 man.

 

probably not yours 16f4.

there were 2 version of it. the main visible difference is the VGA port. probably the one with the VGA does have no eDP

 

shame on you mine does not have a VGA port hah! kidding aside my laptop does have 1 hdmi and 2 dp ports.

 

He is right. There are two versions of the MS-16F4, one with traditional 40 pin LVDS and another with the 40 pin LVDS + eDP signal.

 

There is a mod for connecting two (330W) power supply, I dont think the issue here is power related. However, the sink mod is the kicker here, I dont this this is an easy job for the most of us.

I dont understand what is LVDS and Im not concerned anymore with the 1080 for laptops. Im selling my laptop in ebay (was offered 1900$) and I originally bought it for 2100$. I do really love the laptop, I like the build quality and the appearance.

Its all because this spoiled Iphone kiddos, they always want the easy route and they never ever think ahead. Co-operations exploited this opportunity and now they are making easy cash, no need to commit for high quality products, just make a fancy design and market it for gaming and you get away with it. For some reason, smart products made people less intelligent and lowered the need to read, thus affecting learning capabilities and decision making skills later on.

Best wishes to all of ya, the only brand left is clevo.

 

The issue is not the power supply. The issue is the board limits how much power is used, and is capped at 330W. You could shove a 120000W PSU into the Alienware 17 or Alienware 18, they will only eat 330W tops due to BIOS/EC limitation that is not removable without hardmod. M18x R2 did not have this issue.

LVDS is how the notebook panel interfaces with the motherboard and GPU. It was the standard for as long as laptops have been around but recently switched to eDP due to advancing technology. LVDS is deprecated as of Polaris/Pascal.

 

This !

 

That's too bad that the RX 480 doesn't support LVDS. My opinion on LVDS/eDP is very thread derailing, so I wont put it here. Anyway, there's a way to convert DP to LVDS. EliteBooks/ZBooks with DreamColor and Precisions with PremierColor use it for a while - the ColorBoard. It's called like that because it stores the color presets/profiles/spaces there, but it also gets DP and converts it to LVDS. It's not a very small board though* and nearly impossible to find (outside TaoBao that is).

* Forgot to measure it accurately, but it's about 50x50x3 mm.

 

Yes credit to them for giving Intel the middle finger with their continued use of desktop sockets. However here Clevo did the dirty as well in not making to the mxm spec. MSI's gpu boards are actually proving more compatible so far.

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Hope, you are going to run next gen GPUS

Any idea how to enquire 100% if the MB got LVDS + eDP?

 

Disassemble and look at the video cable going to the LCD. Should have 2 cable connectors, one larger than the other.