The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

@Mobius 1 what's about the E9550? Afaik it was equally spec'ed but with TDP 95w. The only concern would be on drivers side, but should fit nicely for all EDP equipped rigs. Could you kindly elaborate some information on that?

I'm not sure, if my P570WM can handle 150w in SLI, if it will ever be released with CF/xdma option.

 

I am asking about motherboard. not LCD cable

I switched motherboard at GX60 to 16f4 without changing the LCD so it worked. however the cable stayed a one cable.
I am considering if there is a possibility to change the cable, LCD and get it worked with the 16f4 mb that I got

 

err, which taobao seller was that?

 

i changed my screen one time and according to the taobao listing, its an eDP port? Here's the exact screen i bought and changed: https://world.taobao.com/item/524026463885.htm?spm=a312a.7700714.0.0.MJGPys#detail

 

lets say there are no interesting picture of it and there are almost no description. even with the chinese marktrees

 

N@ss didnt provide board schematics. They couldnt manufacture it probably.

 

M5500 is not MXM-B

 

Hm, I'm afraid we got these info only from some articles of the interwebs. From the Mobile Polaris discussion thread, page 124-125.

 

Just to clarify, there is no "MXM 3.0b" M5500M. It is apparently a custom pcb as well. Those stock shots were just that, stock shots and nothing to do with the actual card.

Actual card:

https://www.techinferno.com/index.p...gtx-980-m5500-n16e-gxxq7-all-variants/&page=4

 

Some good news for change.

Gecube contacted me and it it possible to make a 1070 and 1080 without a power connector. As seen in the MSi GT83VR and the 16Lx (Eurocom Tornado F5).


The 1060 naturally does not need the power connector, seems like the mxm power alone is enough.



Also, @Mr. Fox , didn't you say there was a danger in drawing too much power over an mxm slot for extended periods of time? I believe you said that someone burned the motherboard?

 

oh wow this is awesome thx for the update buddy

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

Yes, I heard that has happened with a couple people trying to use a 980-N without the power cable. I cannot identify who those people are, but it only makes sense. The MSI versions of 1070 and 1080 without the auxiliary power cable are lower TDP gimped versions, but even if they cannot perform at the same level as the normal 1070 and 1080 cards they should still deliver a meaningful performance upgrade over 980M and 980-N GPUs. Better than nothing for sure, but not a smart buy if they charge much more than what was being charged for GTX 980M. Charging $1000 to $1200 for full performance Pascal MXM cards is a total ripoff.

This is amazing good news, but only if the pricing is not so absurd as to make an upgrade a foolish endeavor in terms of cost.

 

wait till oct 17 and we (possibly) might get a price with MOQ that blows your head off

not sure about the msi, card looks beefy and they might reinforce the mxm power line, too early to tell if they're really low tdp or not

 

Oh, I would really love for that to be true. I think it is more than obvious that I am a BGA hater and the ongoing success of MXM is mission critical for performance enthusiasts. We must break the BGA curse that seeks to completely destroy all that we hold dear.

Another thing which remains to be seen is whether or not the machines that would receive these Pascal upgrades have heat sinks that are capable of handling the amount of heat that needs to be dissipated. Fitting and working is a fantastic first step, but that will not be a major victory if they run uncontrollably hot. At any rate, I am hoping and praying for the best. I truly want to see this happen in all the right ways.

I also hope they do not do something retarded like what AMD has done with the 480 mobile by making them eDP only to exclude functionality on LVDS notebooks. That would truly suck.

Based on what I have heard from a reliable source, those MSI GPUs without the auxiliary power input are lower TDP versions. I don't know if they run at the same clock speeds. If they do, overclocking headroom could be next to non-existent. For those that are primarily interested in playing games, overclocking headroom may not be very important.

 

most sellers that hold the pascal 1060 would say that lvds is not compatible or they don't know.


lvds is dead, for now at least.

 

It probably should be gradually phased out because eDP is better, but there are plenty of high performance LVDS notebooks left that don't deserve to be snuffed out while they still have so much left to give. It would be a shame to have so many excellent products sentenced to a premature death due to the absence of LVDS support. I would choose any Sandy, Ivy or Haswell laptop with a mobile Extreme CPU over any BGA CPU turdbook.

 

If this maker is able to change the board layout is it feasible to have them add an onboard eDP to LVDS converter chip? Would improve the market for them.

How hard is it to hard mod a connector for extra power? Can it be taken from any 12V source such as fan connectors (like the german Alienware guy did for his 980) or is that just to trick an EC check etc - and has no real ability to supply decent amount of current?

I'd like the power connector there but optional. Best of both worlds of course

 

There is a danger indeed. Where's the thin line, that's the question. I guess setting the TDP @150W and a hard limit on any peaks, should they occur (the way new GPUs work, they do), to 180~190W should guarantee safe prolonged use. At least on by-spec designed MXM MoBos. You probably can get away with a 180W GPU with no peak over that limit, but that is really pushing it, since as I said before, the limit is ~195W and that's for peaks, not constant load.

Quite a few Chinese that have tried the msi's 1060 confirmed that LVDS is a no go. Actually Prema said that quite some time before the mobile Pascals showed-up.

It was. If you ask me it took them long enough. I have a theory about it, but it has some holes in, that I can't get my head around. All I would say is that 16:9 was an instant transition, LVDS to eDP is not.

 

Hi all..I would like to ask you how I know if my notebook's screen its eDP or LVDS...I have a MSI GT60 2QD 1065 with a 1920x1080 screen, GTX 970M (stock), 4710MQ cpu and i have the possibility to sell it and buy a new notebook but I don't like the idea I like my notebook...Thanks!

 

two possibilities: check documentation (user manual, service manual, forum posts, community, display model via software and online) or check yourself (dissassembly and check physical display connector)

 

so that means that its possible for all the mxm users????

 

Check display model via hwinfo and have a look at panelook.com. In most cases they provide full specs incl. LVDS or eDP.

 

From specifications using the Product Number: 9S7 - 16F442-1065
Display: 15.6" Full HD 16:9 (1920 x 1080) eDP Wide View Angle Display

Its that eDP the type of connection?

I can dissaseembly but how I know if its eDP or LVDS...do you have one picture?. Thanks 4 your answers

 

Check the model of your display panel using HWinfo ("Monitor Name" under the "Monitor" section) and simply search the monitor name on panelook.com.

It's actually very easy to do so.

 

seems like its an eDP display

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

assuming we get around the EC / bios startup requirement as described by prema, it could be


just boils down to if we can get test card (and test machine) and how much people gonna buy this

 

If it works with my GT72, I buy directly. No hesitation, need a 1070

 

You gonna seriously bottleneck that 1070 with 4720HQ

 

I doubt that would be very serious..
Define bottleneck if it means, nah bro no 80fps, only 70fps I'll take it, it's not like the 6700HQ is way faster (and sold with 1070's massively)

edit: yeah DDR4, memory, but still should be correct.. if the price is correct + selling my 970M, i'm on it, else gonna have to switch lappies, again..

 

do you think if everything goes well,is it possible for 1070 sli in p375sm-a??

 

Hey Guys ,one GTX 1060 normal mxm size just appeared on ebay . Now we just need someone to test it !

 

The Haswell series might not be able to keep up with the 1070s SLI'd, A single might pull it off. I don't know how the 4930mx would fare but the CPUs upto that Extreme edition might bottleneck. A single 1070 might be ok but not a 1080 or a 1070 SLI, Unless you plug it into a 4K UHD. AFAIK.

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MSI-NVIDIA-...511588?hash=item4656c5c224:g:kbIAAOSw8gVX~MEL

they are charging an arm and a leg for it, no thanks. really, the taobao sites are selling it for $600 at most and here this guy put it up for $890? come on now

 

Please take a look on this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NVIDIA-GTX-...c01f583&pid=100009&rk=1&rkt=2&sd=302103511588

It does not have any power connector, I know the size is different, but some of us can mod the chassis and make it fit.

What do you think?

 

I'm agree! too expensive for the 1060.

 

You're right , it's too expensive for now. Let's wait and see will other taobao sellers follow his steps and post their cards on eBay . I asked the guy is it compatible with my GT70 2OD and he replied positive.

 

Assuming you want to spend that much on two 1070's... there's also a lot that needs to happen for that to even be possible... I've had a rough go at figuring what'd fit in a P370EM (same layout AFAICT?) and nothing so far is a simple drop-in.

*Maybe* the MSI 1070 would be ok without losing anything critical (other than a few screws); but the bigger overhang on the right side of the slot from the Clevo 1070 would cause big problems... that's *IF* the power issues can be overcome (potential motherboard power limits, AND adapter power draw, AND power connectors for the Clevo) and thermals and firmware (BIOS/vBIOS). Also, the MSI 1070 (MS-1W0V1) seen so far (the eurocom video, and on ebay) has no SLI connector

As it can crossfire over PCIe, RX480(M) looks more promising - but... if it's cheap, and if the MXM version gets some seriously good bins to bring down power draw, and if somehow AMD manages to fix the stuttering in crossfire, all the other things still apply

 

Well Taobao is commission-free whereas eBay charges 10% and Paypal takes another ~3%. Also dealing with international customs and buyers is a bit of a barrier too.

 

time to sell my 880m(s) Any hope for Alienware 18 Users?

 

Maybe if it has an eDP display, eys.

Maybe haswell can, but not the lower end models.

Minimum 4800MQ. Recommended the 4900/4930MX ( @Mr. Fox said not to buy the 4940MX) with overclock / maximum bins. Though the challenge would be to cool the CPU.

You do realize that's EUROCOM's ebay account right? It's cheaper to buy off their website (call them for possible NBR discounts).

The eurocom card is pre-hardmodded and carries 90 day warranty.
The taobao ones aren't. You have to attach a wire like what eurocom did with the hardmod.
Plus good luck returning if it if you don't speak Chinese.

I have no issue with asking them for a return, but you guys might have a lot more trouble.

When you ship internationally with Taobao, there is an option to use their unified shipping center for a small fee. This (mostly) solves the problem with international shipping and / or returns.

DEAD

Any new laptop with 1070 or 1080 would smoke that 880M pair even if it's BGA.

 

If Pascal does not support LVDS that rules out the possibility of any Alienware upgrades except for potentially the 17-inch models with 120Hz eDP displays. The Alienware 18 with an overclocked 4930MX and the hard-modded MSI 1070 in SLI like Eurocom is offering would smoke the BGA turdbooks, but if LVDS support isn't there it's time to retire the Viking. There could also be a question of the single 330W AC adapter providing enough power for 1070 SLI, but it would be adequate for single 1070.

 

Would need some miracle to get LVDS to be compatible.



Oh yeah, the MSi 1070 doesn't have SLi connector. The PCB might not even be wired properly for the SLi connector so...

 

I meant for the laptop, not the cards.

 

I listed my unit on ebay, got some decent offers 1800$+ without negotiating. Its the brand name whats protecting my item.

 

I'd say sell it, there's no point in keeping the AW18 anymore since that one is LVDS and cannot use the newer pascal cards.



And yeah, the resale is very nice on Alienwares. Don't think Clevo's 2nd hand market is going to be as strong like Alienware in a (very) long time.

 

I bought 2x 1080GTX with a water block, Im switching back to desktops, I will be using laptops for traveling etc. However, I have a strong feeling that this laptop will be upgrade-able some how. I believe I have to sell 1 card (880m) while keeping the second one.

If this turd pascal is modified to fit into MXM 3.0b socket, I will definitely upgrade in the future.

Im not sure about AMD 480 mobile card. But I have hopes for it (AMD usually stands for = Always Manages to Disappoints).

 

Just use the igpu then lol

 

****tttttt I just checked the type of connection for my screen.........its lvds.......

 

Welcome to the family son (Punch)

 

or else ihave to change the screen to the 120hz 72ntsc.....anybody selling that...????