The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

compatibility of cards with laptops

 

Unsurprising. They have a habit of baiting people into shelling out money for "tests" so that they can advertise compatibility. That way they profit whether the card works or not.

 

would they at least offer the hardware at a discount for the buyer taking a risk as a guinea pig?

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Usually yes, but not much Example: testing a new GTX 1060 they would discount the price to 500 instead of 650

 

23% discount is nothing to sniff at though...

 

But what if it doesn't work? Will they take returns?

 

i guess not. only route to consider is to sell off the card. but then without the possibility of vouching / demonstrating its full functionality... quite the conundrum!

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No. You test for their profit at your own expense.

 

Gecube's RX480 (only works with HDMI for now)

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not bad! thats +31% total score / +34% gpu score / +25% physics score / +23% combined score compared with my 980M (stock) / 7700K (4.8 Ghz) setup

 

Would love to hear if that RX 480 works on the eDP signal, iirc they are much cheaper than a 1070 (even though obviously performance is also lesser) but the principle being cheaper and for a broke uni student that is a key factor for now lol

 

What laptop man?

 

im assuming thats his msi vortex slim form factor desktop with MXM slot...?

a 1060 would also be another possibility. standard mxm 3.0b form factor and more performant than both a 980M and RX480 and cheaper than a 1070, of course

 

I don't think this is true. The standard MXM 3.0b form factor GTX 1060 cards are in the 75-80W TDP range, and perform about 10% slower (~5.6K FS Extreme graphics) than the 120W desktop 1060. The GeCube RX 480 is 150W, and scores like the DT 1060 (~6.2K FS Extreme graphics) based on the screenshot in the previous post.

Not sure where the 100W Clevo 1060 (MXM 3.1) fits in here as I have yet to see anyone review it.

 

Yeah thats certainly true. I'd rather have a 480 than a 1060 if its just between the two. Otherwise I would just get the MSI 1070

 

interesting point. the two cards are indeed very close performance wise. in the end it likely depends on the card type, stock clocks and tdp envelope set.

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One very important point you guys are forgetting is both the 1060 dt and notebook are not compatible with sli. The rx480 is xfire compatible with no bridge in the desktop version, so 2x rx480 in m18x or similar MIGHT be possible.

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unfortunately this card from what I understand only works with eDP with Dell temperature sensors.

 

SLI support is so lacking these days, CrossFire is even worse, that I would rather take a 1070 (guaranteed +50% increase over single 1060/480) than 2x 480 and all the extra hassle, problems, and power/cooling overhead it entails.

 

Looks like eurocom underpower/underclock their mxm 3.0b 1070 to 90-95W without disclosing to their customers

http://forum.notebookreview.com/index.php?threads/814907/

Caveat emptor

 

There is supposed to be a 90W sticker on Eurocom's MXM 3.0b 1070:

Eurocom limited these to 1070 Max-Q performance level because the cards are not robustly built. Several people who bought the 115W GeCube 1070 (exact same card as Eurocom, MXM 3.0b form factor with green PCB) from Taobao had them die randomly after a short period of time.

 

And yet the still call it a "1070" and it carries a hefty price premium over the msi 1070 which I've only heard of one case of blowup... after 30mins of furmark at a 260W power limit.

Crappier slower products should be cheaper and advertised as such, no?
Instead of website clearly advertising 115W.......

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/upgrade(2,329,0)CLEVO_P15xSM_SAGER_NP8255

 

Why don't people just buy the MSI 1070 and standard MXM 3.0 card (the one with that tab) and mod the case to fit?
Or is the Eurocom card a completely different form factor? I know there are at least TWO variations of the MSI card, with different layouts....

Then you wouldn't have to deal with this sorta stuff.
And that thing can handle north of 200W TDP (if you care to hardware mod it someday) and not even care, as long as the VRM's are all completely cooled.

 

it works on laptops with IGPU as well. Problem is that Gecube still have no idea how to make the video output to laptop monitors (EDP or LVDS), but from my guess, the output problem is a VBIOS problem.

 

The msi cards fits almost nothing because not only does it have the tab, but it's around 3-4mm wider on the opposite side of the card from tab. Thats why i had to cut the chassis of my aw17 r1 between the cou and gpu. Look at my ranger success post if you want all the pics.
I had my first msi card die at completely stock settings with no mods and hardly any load (playing WoW), but I believe the vrm section wasn't making perfect contact with my modded heatsink. That's the reason I further modded my heatsink and added a heatpipe from the vrm section directly to the aluminum fins. The msi card is a much better card but required much more work.

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you mean, you have checked it on an optimus/enduro laptop with a working resault?
please explain.

 

@loafer987 do you want to try a Clevo OC VBIOS for your MSI 1070? It works on my ZOTAC 1070.

 

Yeah i want to know this too

 

as fas a i know the Gecube 480 can't output to eDP or LVDS that might be fixable by flashing it with the vBios of another card that uses the same Polaris chip but as far as I know, no one has bothered to try

 

There have been plenty of people inquiring about LVDS to GC and every time there was a solid rejection of support. As a result eDP was surmised as the only possible solution.

These latest posts are honestly the first I have heard about not supporting eDP either.

 

Last I heard a hardware flasher was required to flash these cards. Has that changed? Either way the cooling system in my aw17 even with mods struggles to keep my 1070 under 85*C. I'm not sure I want to risk the last of that headroom to squeeze a couple mhz. Thanks though.

I'd really like to try the modded system bios for the 17 but it looks like the forced flash causes the bios to boot in legacy mode which will cause my machine not to boot and I don't have a spare gpu to swap to solve that right now. Maybe I will find some spare time to try it in the future but I can't have that downtime at the moment.

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Back when people were trying these cards on clevos they could only get video from the gecube 480 to display on external screen IIRC, there is a workstation mxm version of the 480 but no one who has it has bothered to upload their vBios IIRC but if someone would we could find out if the 480 has a hardware limitation or just a vBios limitation

ATM the GeCube 480 is just for mxm desktops and mxm based mining rigs to the best of my knowledge which is why I abandoned it as an upgrade path opting for Maxwell and Pascal cards

 

Last I heard it didnt work well in Clevos because they used Dell sourced temp sensors.

 

that caused the clevos to shutdown after a minute but they would still "work" for that minute or so IIRC

 

Same as not working in my book lol

 

lol my point is they could only get output to external video sadly

 

Yeah which is unfortunate.

 

it is a vbios limitation. i have a friend who is using WX7100 MXM ( Workstation equivalent of RX480) he can flash Gecube 480's vbios, but he can only get external display to work. However, when he uses WX7100 vbios, he is able to use internal display.

 

that is awesome news can he upload his wx7100 vbios so the community can use it on their gecube 480s?

 

I'm assuming that's an eDP panel as well?

Did your friend need a programmer or just use ATI flash?

 

LVDS or EDP internal?

 

I'm pretty sure I read that polaris also dropped support for LVDS

 

Based on what I have been told in various threads, this is to be accurate.

 

He is using GT72S with N173HHE-G32 screen. so WX7100 supports EDP

 

Thanks for sharing!

I actually plan to upgrade my screen to the N173HHE-G32, the only question left I guess is, will my Alienware 17 Ranger boot with the RX 480?

Thanks for sharing the vBIOS as well, do you know if your friend used ATIWinFlash/ATI Flash or was a programmer used?

 

better for you to get a wx7100 off ebay for 500$ and forget screwing around with the rx 480

 

For me it comes down to price, the RX 480 sold as it was last I checked was about 300 USD.

Though the WX7100 does have 8GB of VRAM which is worth considering as well, and at least comes through ebay instead of alibaba or w/e site the RX 480 was found on.

 

Why do you say that?

 

Higher chance of success considering it works in the Precision line, and also has 8GB VRAM as well.

At least would be my guess.

 

ATIwinflash. We do have programmers as backup plan anyways. you might also need the atikmdag-patcher-bios.exe as well.