The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

Vram OC use less power vs. Core OC.

 

I understand, but I'm saying that given these mobile cards are essentially power limited, if you were to OC one or the other, it seems core gives a bigger benefit than memory according to this.

But maybe there is a happy medium of core & mem OC that will give the biggest performance increase.

 

It's a balancing act, every card is different. No way to know until you do it with your own cards.

 

invaluable info! couldnt find anything on that, especially not for mxm quadros

and duh, i always keep mixing up TGP and TDP

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The MSI cards are just beautiful.

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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. IMO that tab sticks out like a sore thumb.

 

lol we got it man, but i still cant use the msi 1070

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Not so much in terms of looks cos the card looks like arse but it runs better than the standard mxm-b cards!

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For sure. There isn't a single standard MXM-B card higher than a 1060 that isn't neutered in some way.

 

If MSI had put the tab at the end instead of the side I would be doing 1070 SLI.

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SLI would give you an aneurysm if you've never used it before.

 

Well, it is what it is.

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I keep hearing of all this trouble I'm supposed to have but other than the AOTS DX12 mGPU experiment, and needing to change SLI profile for an app or game every now and then, it's worked fine even stuck on ye olde 2016 drivers.

I tend not to play new games on day 1 tho so probably avoid the worst of the broken SLI profiles. I learned to avoid unpatched release frustration yonks ago.

 

just to visualize the work needed to be done on my 980M compatible heatsink:

P5000 is absolutely identical to the 980M layout, so that would be perfect heatsink-wise.

the Gecube / Eurocom 1070 would definitely need some heatsink modding. difficult endeavour considering I also have the CPU side to worry about @unified heatsink

so according to @Prema only vRAM overclocking is locked on the P5000 and could be unlocked via vBios Mod. So adjusting it to stock 1070 levels might actually be possible, hmmm... decisions, decisions!

 

You definitely aren't playing many new games in SLI if you're still on drivers from 2016.

 

The eurocom 1070 is gimped to a 90w TDP so it might perform around the same as a notebook 1060 with a full mobile TDP. Not exactly a worthy upgrade to be honest and not for the money spent.

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dont forget it can apparently be configured with various TDP envelopes via vBios. according to @woodzstack up to 145W. original stock TDP range was supposed to be 125-145W. the 90W TDP was set for older alienware machines with weaker cooling capabilities, i.e. the m15x.

 

If the component quality and design of the PCB is decent and what we've seen from the gecube cards is that the component quality is not great along with an unsuitable vbios is a recipe for disaster. I have my 1070's TDP set to 151-170w and it's going really well with stock clocks.

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well thats the thing though. the desaster cases ive seen and heard of thus far were either from the very first faulty batch by gecube or from users applying incompatible vbios versions combined with improper cooling (heatsink left unmodded with simple thermal pad adjustments). thats why im still not convinced either way concerning the eurocom/gecube cards. giving them the benefit of a doubt while at the same time wary because of their overall bad rep among users here. hm...

 

That's the good thing about the MSI cards is that they've been proven to work.

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I have my MSI 1070 at 210W TDP and it just laughs at me.

 

1. You cannot flash vBIOS on the fly like with Maxwell and earlier, you will need a hardware programmer. I find this to be extremely annoying.

2. You can make TGP whatever you like but if you don't have the supporting hardware you WILL fry components. It was never Gecube's fault. AFAIK we don't have an original copy of a Gecube 1070 firmware, they were all sold pre-flashed from different vendors with Clevo or MSI 1070 vBIOS, both of which were higher TGP rated and were burned out cards before adjustment to a lower rating. Both the MSI and Clevo 1070s have similar electric design, different physical layouts. Not the case with the Gecube 1070, a very different electrical setup. No way was the Gecube "Eurocom" 1070 lowered down to 90W for the M15x (which doesn't even support pascal), it was lowered to 90W-115W to stop burning out cards and stop the flood of RMAs from people trying to run them at 125W-150W+. The closest thing we can get to a "Gecube" 1070 vBIOS is probably the Zotac 1070MXM vBIOS since that card is also made by Gecube and is identical in design, and that was a 90W TGP rating.

 

The one of a kind 1070SLI retrofit frankenrig is stuck on 375.70

The retail (ish) P870DM3 1080SLI is not

 

yup, I agree.

 

it's not really about the cooling either, something with the MXM slots, not all cards are exactly the same, some pull more amps some more voltage , etc along different pins, we had to test what worked, and that worked best in testing. Cooling was another factor, less heat the better.

 

don;t forget the two tiny coils near the GPU die, you can not see it, in all the context but they stick out more then say they do on the P5000 and the 980M too, and some heatsink have to make room for that, just incase anyone reads this and thinks of upgrading, there are plenty of nice new heatsinks out there, but many people forget to mod and make room for these components. Even the 1060N has those and in some cases, like with Alienware's need the heatsinks to make room for them. There's no heatsink your gonna find on ebay even that has the mods made for those two tiny components. I keep telling the sellers I fidn of various heatsinks, to add it, but atlas I've been doing plenty of the modding my self just so customers do not have to, but anyone can do it, if they have the simple dremel tool or something better.

 

What he says!

I got Eurocon the 90W vBIOS factory version to prevent the fallout of burned MOSFETs
(At least these cards have the 3 missing ones in place unlike the original zotac/gecube).
Their supplier shipped the 90W cards already with MSI 115W vBIOS...

 

So pretty much all of @jaybee83 points are now moot. The eurocom 1070 isn't even worth the asking price for an intentionally gimped card because of poor quality parts, incompatible vBIOS and board design. Yes, the MSI 1070 would be the best upgradable option for older computers, but your chassis and board design/layout doesn't allow it.

You could TDP mod the 1060 to run at desktop TDP and you'd still get better performance than the 980M that won't break the card.

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they were never moot points, the thing i repeatedly kept asking for is more hard information from reputable sources such as @Prema and @woodzstack imagine if someone like me lacks proper info even though im scouring the forums and web in general on a daily basis, what would pop in users think about this, trying to decide on an upgrade path? and repeating over and over and oooover how super and awesome MSI cards are doesnt really help in this regard

in any case, thanks for the additional input guys! this pushes me more and more towards the quadro p5000. no heatsink mods necessary, core oc is doable and maybe even vram oc with a vbios mod down the line. plus, looking at FS graphics scores at stock, id get a healthy 60% boost over my 980M, with the eurocom card actually sporting similar numbers. so makes more sense to save on the second heatsink cost (and transfer the funds towards the pricier P5000) and be assured that the PCB and components are of high quality. and those 16 gb vram surely cant hurt either

btw @Prema @woodzstack do you guys know if dell/HP/clevo/MSI versions of the P5000 are interchangeable? afaik the base PCB is basically always the same with just the vbios being different in each case. just wanna avoid potential incompatibilities when choosing a dell or HP version over MSI or clevo P5000 (due to scarcity in online offers, one cant be too choosy)

thx again!

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Oh is that true ? You got them the vbios they are using ?
If so, mighty cool of you. Kudo's.
When they were testing they reported it would not work well with the stock vbios in Alienware's but worked in MSI fine.

 

The vbios over the P5000 are like guarded like gold, I been trying to desperately get my hands on it.
So, much is unknown to me regarding them. My sale price of $2200CAD for those cards nets me very little of them and I've never actually tested it myself, thus far leaving it packaged and sent out directly when I do have them, unlike the other cards I test.
If I wanted a P5000 for myself, I;d actually have to pay more, I know it sounds stupid but thats how it is :S

To much for me to invest for something I might not be able to get rid of or have any benifit in using. So you will have to ask someelse on the P5000 specifics, maybe Prema here has touched them, I do not know.

 

So ppl are willing to spend $2000 on a P5000 but not less on a 1060 or 1070?

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lol no, more like 900 on a P5000 or 600 on a EURO 1070. add 100-200 for a second heatsink to mod on the 1070 though plus the uncertainty concerning quality components and correct TDP vbios

 

I get the feeling that you're trying to have your cake and eat it too. I don't even think that's possible.

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never said it was easy! still worth trying

 

Sure it's true, I got them a lot more than just that over the years...

 

Another win for M18X R2

M8950/CROSSFIRE
AMD WX7100

 

do you have a link for that upgrade?

 

AMD WX7100

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/amd-wx7100-working-in-m18x-r2.816759/

AMD 8950M

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/m18x-r2-crossfire-amd-m6100-aka-8950m.815695/

 

thanks

 

What is the extra fan being added for the 1070?

 

Well, honestly thank you for helping them, because it's obviously helped the aftermarket community a great deal, and that is just something simply not to ignore in my books.
Like if there was an aftermarket award we'd probably vote you for sure, haha. Every so often I'm stumped and do not know how to help someone regarding a vbios, and I send them your way or in some cases to SVET if it's an MSI thing, like a system bios or EC on a model I've never touched.

I have a question mind you, these EURO 1070's , should be able to use a MSI 1070 vbios and work fine , correct ?
I have both cards here sitting infront of me, I could flash them using the SOFI tool and junk, just they are not exactly broken or used cards so if something screws it up, I've not been willing to experiment and find out exactly, so was wondering if you already know what to expect.
I asked EUROCOM to be the one to test, and I was shocked that they refused to do it, or share why. Though they agreed to do it if I send them one of my spare systems, with an eDP panel, like the AW17. (because the EURO 1070 works only Optimus in it, whereas the MSI 1070 would support the eDP and Optimus).

If you could help us with this, you would be helping a great number of people, I know for sure, there would be at least an immediate 50 people who want to know this, especially if the EURO 1070 works with the MSI vbios instead of it's own.
(or could it be modded to use different components to become more stable, of should I bring that up to someone who like soldering extra components onto his cards, like Kenglish or however it's spelled from T|I ?)

 

You can flash them, but the 115W/125W limit of other vBIOS may not be healthy for these 90W cards.
If those vBs actually fix the eDP bug (first time I hear about that, make sure it's not a system BIOS problem), then drop the TDP to 100W or below if you plan on selling them like that. We have seen many of these 90W cards MOSFETs fail with higher TDP vBIOS. The original G-Cube cards with missing MOSFETs even fail with their original 90W vBIOS.

 

YES! this post is worth its (virtual) weight in gold thanks again for clear cut info on this! ive been wondering a long time about this...

edit: crap, cant rep you for this, gotta spread the love around first

 

Yeah been wondering this, and thanks. I guess we will try and flash them and see how it goes, or what happens.

now theres a thread around here helping people lower TDP values when flashing or with the tool, guess I will go peek over at that and see whats what, maybe keeping the TDP low at 90W would be a smart move.

But the real thing is, whats s different about the 1070 from MSI and the other 1070. If it's a system bios issue, will it stop affecting the EURO 1070's (as we have c0me to call them) from working with eDP panels in the AW17 and such. ( IRC they work in other laptops just fine, like a clevo with eDP)

 

The only thing missing here, is, EUROCOM's MSI 1070's are G-Sync cards, meanwhile the EURO 1070 they have is not a G-Sync card, if I understand correctly this can cause issues or brick the card right ?

I would need a MSI 1070 that is not a G-Sync card, to fetch the vbios from. Do you by chance have one or know of someone with one ?

 

Ask someone with a GT83VR SLI. I believe those are not gsync cards.
Tried to msg you on discord but you didn't reply.

*Edit* try this.
Please don't yell at me if it bricks something.

 

Awesome, thank you !

 

Acer just put a Vega 56 in their Predator laptop, anyone know if these will potentially have MXM cards in them seeing how you can put the 1070 in it too and wide array of CPU options.
https://www.kitguru.net/lifestyle/m...s-starting-with-the-acer-predator-helios-500/

 

Nope:



(Yes your eyes are not deceiving you, that is a tripod on the GPU)