The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

Last I checked, you could easily source 980M's for around $275-300, I believe it is a 120W card as the machine I believe it to be pulled from is a AIO Solution similar to the iMac, hence the MXM
Also, here is some food for thought
https://www.ebay.com/itm/917107-001-925180-001-GFX-AMD-Radeon-Pro-WX-4170-4GB/132752725688?_trkparms=ao=1&asc=20140725133649&meid=d0f78def35b644aeae278ff335c0eaa0&pid=100276&&itm=132752725688&_trksid=p2060778.c100276.m3476
Basically a underclocked RX 560
Also, I feel you man, my 8950M's seem to be finnally dying, I can't use them in crossfire or single GPU, with the latest driver the 120hz screen is unusable, and the machine itself is falling apart

 

Hmm thanks for sharing that. I would indeed be very interested in that if I planned to keep my m4600, the internal display would no longer function but would make a decent SteamOS station on a TV. I plan to move to S. Korea and would prefer to consolidate my machines, carrying 10-12kg of laptops is a bit of a pain lol.

I still have my m6100 so the rx 460 isnt quite the appealing jump. WX 7100 is the only card that is appealing to me if I can find one on the cheap. Then I can truly consolidate my 2 machines and leave the m4600 behind.

 

Just spoke to Dell live chat, they will not sell the WX 7100 as a stand alone component. Only for Precision series. Others may get different results I imagine as reps arent always the brightest.

 

Would be interesting if you could buy one though, I wonder what they would ask for a "replacement" part

 

They would confirm the service tag# before allowing that line of service.

 

check this
https://www.ebay.it/itm/MXM-3-0b-AMD-Radeon-WX7100-8GB-GPU-Wie-NEU-Fur-z-B-Dell-Precision-7710/123455767636?_trkparms=aid=111001&algo=REC.SEED&ao=1&asc=20180816085401&meid=d235bc94c283424da3ce2e6a21fa9bdd&pid=100970&rk=1&rkt=6&sd=123455767636&itm=123455767636&_trksid=p2481888.c100970.m5481&_trkparms=pageci:23305daa-eac1-11e8-979a-74dbd180dab7|parentrq:240550e31670aa66aec5e3f8fff61c1a|iid:1

 

Why? Thats a ridiculously high amount to pay for it

 

do you have a link for something cheaper?

 

https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?sp...l0hcaf&id=562532737439&ns=1&abbucket=5#detail
as per the page before

 

thanks

 

So 165 USD for a WX 7100? I dont have chrome installed at the moment so I cant read it well (web translators are usually pretty bad)

Just read the listing a bit more. If its 1650 Yuan, which I think it is after looking at it more, Then it comes out to about 238 USD.

Still a nice price if its legitimate. How much would it be after everything is said and done?

I remember Bhiner being mentioned, but when I search for the WX7100 listing I come up dry. Is there something I missing?

Edit43: Ok I think I have gotten it to work after looking over a couple reddit threads. However I dont see how I can select the WX 7100 though. I know I can notate things in the dialogue box but I would prefer if I can specifically select the WX 7100 so as to remove any possibility of purchasing and receiving the wrong component.

@Grant B Gibson Have you any insights or be able to point me in the direction of who does?

Im rebuilding my Ranger and would really like to compliment the revival with a WX 7100.

Thanks in advance guys

 

Can I ask as to why you want to go with the Wx7100? It is a weaker card than the 980M and limits you to use the edp display only. Prices for 980M have really come down these days

 

Simply because of AMD linux drivers

 

I plan to only use eDP, Optimus isnt really desired on this laptop. In fact I would like to install the N173HHE-G32 at some point. Though it being weaker than the 980m is news to me, while not conclusive userbenchmark puts it 15% above the 980m, so at worst I expected it to be around the same performance.

That all just being window dressing for the main point though. From what I read online, Nvidia doesnt play well in Linux environments. Im tired of fighting my PC, so I will be using Linux and based on just what I have read online (and certainly not conclusive of course) AMD drivers play much nicer.

In a nutshell.

 

Although, from the very slight experience I've had with linux, Nvidia drivers have seemed to work fine, but I never tested any games

 

This. This. This.
Besides, AMD needs money with Ngreedia video cards burning up in fire and brimstone. The question is does AMD even get money from these weird chinese shops? Or did they already get the money beforehand?

 

I would assume money beforehand, the BGA has to be sold before it gets mounted.

My experience as well

 

Nvidia open source drivers are garbage and proprietary drivers are difficult to work with in Linux. Do you know which you installed?

Even if they dont, as long as my experience isnt absolutely abysmal I still plan to build a desktop with Vega 7nm under a Linux environment. The laptop will act as an experiment to get more working knowledge of which ever distro I settle within.

 

Unfortunately no, but I believe they were the propriety driver's

 

Its a shame that Rx 590 is just an turbo clocked Rx 480 with no real change to its node except shrinking it by minuscule percentages.
Lets raise the glass in hope for Vega/Navi on MXM in 2019

 

From what I understand you would've likely remembered if it was proprietary as they are a pain to install and use.

This was known for a while unless I missed some hype train again.

 

It was hyped alright, people thought it was going to be something brand new like a 1080 killer Polaris and other nonsense, good thing you missed it, the tech news were all over it like hungry dogs before AMD finally revealed the disappointment.

 

The rumors I read were nothing of the sort. Just a node shrink which usually leads to faster stock core speed and maybe faster memory if it can be sourced cheap enough.

The leaked name of rx 590 was kind of a dead give away if nothing else.

People should just chill out until Vega 7nm drops.

 

Vega 7nm isn't a gaming GPU, it's a machine learning accelerator for HPC (see Radeon Instinct).

 

I didnt say it was.

If you think 7nm Vega will drop and no one will run any comparison between it and 12nm/14nm Vega then you may not know your fellow hoomans well.

Navi is supposedly what "gamers" should look towards from what I understand but no information on it (that I have seen, mind you) so as far as I am concerned it doesnt exist yet.

 

Not sure how you figure people will run gaming tests on a card without display outputs, but ok.

 

thats relatively easy really.

 

The MOAB's will have display output, its the same tech that exist in laptop MOAB's, there no direct connector with the MXM card but it goes through the board instead which is also shared with the iGPU.

I believe you need a board that supports this though

 

I think you guys need to get your head out of the sand. Vega 20 is not and will not be coming to consumer desktop products, let alone MXM. Vega 20 is just a beefed up with Vega 10 with more compute-centric features. Idk if you guys saw the leaked FFXV benches a while back that had it barely beating out the Vega 64 and still losing to the GTX 1080. AMD's roadmap clearly indicates that Navi is their next consumer release, a small die designed to replace Polaris.

 

I never said it was a consumer product or that it would be, if anything I would appreciate if you quit stuffing your words into my mouth.

I merely stated that people should wait for Vega 7nm.

The reason for stating that is I feel people are just waiting for anything of interest to hit the market, thus the hype builds up when rumors circulate and ultimately comes crashing down.

But all that is kind of off-topic for this thread so ill drop off here.

 

Well I mean, given the title and subject matter of this thread, what would be the point of saying "wait for Vega 7nm" as if it's some unknown when we already know exactly what it is? Why not say "wait for Navi" instead?

 

I was replying to someone else.

 

I understood the context. I'm just saying, if anyone is expecting anything exciting from AMD in the GPU space in the next couple years, prepare to be disappointed. The roadmap has been known for a while now and is what it is. If AMD actually had anything up their sleeves they wouldn't have re-rebranded Polaris and released it for a third time (RX 590) with a gaming bundle as their first new product in over a year. 2019 we'll get Navi on 7nm which is a small die designed for the PS5 with better efficiency but nothing performance-wise that we haven't seen before. 2020 is when Arcturus, the first post-GCN uarch on 7nm+, hits and finally something which might have a chance of competing with Nvidia. The situation sucks but you have to keep in mind these decisions were made at a time when AMD was trying to claw its way back from its near collapse in 2012-13. Something had to give, they only had the budget to focus on one, CPUs or GPUs, so they chose the former. Obviously in retrospect Zen has paid off, but it came at the expense of ceding the GPU market to Nvidia for at least 5 years.

 

I understand your position. However if you think that absolutely no one is going to pay attention to when Vega 7nm drops just because its not geared to consumer gaming, you would be sorely mistaken.

Hence why I said 'people' should wait, instead of 'gamers'. I deliberately hedged by not narrowing my argument to 'gamers'.

 

I'm sure that people in the professional market care, but people in this forum and specifically this thread? Nah, at least not beyond the novelty factor of "oh, 1TB/s of mem bandwidth and PCIe 4.0, that's pretty cool". Vega-wise there's nothing to wait for because AMD won't release another Vega GPU for consumers. After Vega 10 completely flopped as a consumer product and turned out to be a 2-year late mediocre gaming GPU with horrendous power efficiency and really bad pricing and availability due to miners, AMD shifted it to the high margin pro market to compete against Tesla. Like I said, Navi next year and then a clean slate in terms of architecture with Arcturus in 2020 or later.

 

AMD is not abandoning gamers, 2019 we will see release of mid range Navi GPU's on 7nm, Vega on 7nm wont come for consumers period AMD has already clarified this.
Navi for gamers will have estimated performance between 2070 and 2080 for around 300 dollars which is good. Then they will release the cut down versions, Navi+ which is the high end wont come until 2019 Q3 or Q4, according to AMD's timeframe anyway, it might change it might not, the high end will according to some leakers, perform close to 2080 Ti, but not better it will however be price competitive.

It is in my opinion moronic for AMD to try to compete in the high end at all, no one buys AMD in the high end market, people are too emotionally attached to nVidia, AMD has in the past had lots of superior products to nVidia but because nVidia appeals to the emotionally weak even back then, of course they will pick nVidia and no its not an insult, it is FACT look up psychoanalysis, AMD still uses the old method of marketing, showing product and spec sheets that is why they are behind if AMD had adopted same market schemes as nVidia they would done better they could even sold inferior products than nVidia and still won, hey that is what nVidia did after all when AMD was on the top in performance and price.
6990 was the last super card from AMD that butchered anything nVidia had, the HD 7xxx series, R(nr) 2xx and 3xx were all okay cards, they were no performance killers but they were okay priced and that made them appealing to AMD fanboys but they never attracted new people.

I been with ATi/AMD since day one because back then when I was young I was very poor and poor people buy with brain not with heart, so of course I went with the better product, I also owned a few nVidia cards, they all blew up on me, just my luck with nVidia. (No I did not overclock them)

I am more interested in the Intel GPU for consumers than what AMD has on the table, I am interested to see if Intel will do MXM cards for embedded market and workstations, that will be good news for all of us.

 

Nothing would make me happier than to see AMD come out and give nvidia the spanking it deserves, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

The WX7100 will be good enough for me for a while. Should compliment the 4930mx well enough.

Vega is likely too large to be seen on an MXM. So just have to wait and see what Navi brings. Though by then I will have a desktop so I wont be exactly be sitting and hoping on a laptop.

 

A 2080 Ti that won't catch fire and burn my computer down?

 

Yeah I heard about that, last I heard it was a bad batch or is it a problem with all of them?

 

If AMD had released the R9 M290X with a desktop 380X chip instead of 370X chip it would have changed a lot

 

You are being a bit optimistic here.



7nm is a 1.55x increase in density over 14nm, not the 2x AMD claimed, if you look at Vega 10 (12.5B transistors at 486mm^2) vs. Vega 20 (13.2B transistors at 331mm^2). Now, assuming we take the 25% higher frequency at the same power from AMD at face value along with that 1.55x density increase, and keeping in mind that small Navi is a Polaris replacement, you'd be looking at small Navi being around Vega 64 performance at half the power draw. Last I checked, Vega 64 was on the level of the 1080, not between 2070 and 2080.

 

I'm gonna send my P870DM-G to @woodzstack to have diagnosed and depending on the outcome I'll either part it out or sell it as a barebones rig.

 

yup, and hopefully everything is easy to fix or whatnot

 

I don't feel like it's a RAM issue because I moved the RAM into the new laptop and it's fine and I also booted the clevo with only half and it still worked so if it's causing a short then it has to be the power VRMs have started to fail probably from the large power draw from the 1070. The 1070 itself is fine because after a cooldown/reset period it still boots, if it was the cause then it would just fail to boot.

I did swap out the gskill RAM with the RAM that came with my new laptop and it still works so....I still think it's an issue with the motherboard as it takes about 8-10+ hours for it to just randomly shut down. The shutdowns will happen in 3D applications or even in the desktop.

 

That does seem to be an issue, but what if it is simply application based ?

 

It happened when just browsing in Chrome and in games like Siege and COD so I don't think it's application based otherwise it would have happened sooner. I think it's a power issue that something is failing and it causing the short to happen and the resulting shutdown.

 

have u compared PSU vs battery to make sure its not due to external power delivery?

 

no, but that's something that woodzstack can check.

 

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