The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

Whoa.. the RTX 2060 is only 80W? That 2070 is looking like a really good option. I wonder if it will just slap right into a Tornado F5.

 

Not likely unless you find a compatible card or start modding. This is the MSI RTX 2070.

 

i guess well need to have to wait a while until companies start to come up with standard mxm 3.0b designs for RTX cards, just like it was with Pascal mobile gpus

 

980 DT card works just fine on a 980m PCB.

 

Ofc, a 980M is just a 980 with 1/4 of the SMs laser cut.

 

Point being, it was cut and sold at a higher price then their desktop counterparts.

They werent lower power out of need, but out of greed.

 

I modded my P150em to take one. It is a lot of work. Besides making it fit you need to solder two additional wires to the mxm slot, and one wire to the card. Do not even attempt unless you have very very good soldering skills.

You will also need to build a heatsink.

BIOS wise it was plug and play at least.


I am planning on getting a 2080 assuming the pricing is not absurd.

 

Kepler was the last core to have laser cuts. Maxwell onward have the cores flashed to have parts disabled, like CPUs are flashed with CPUID.

 

Does that mean you can flash a 980M to enable the 4 disabled SMs, AMD style?

 

veeery interesting proposition...

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That moment when 80W card uses full size Clevo mutant shape, rip easy upgradable laptops.

 

u gotta hand it to Clevo though, at least they are now sticking to their proprietary MXM form factor

 

As opposed to MSI, who has 5 different form factors for their 10 series and 20 series cards.

 

The die itself is programmed. I highly doubt it is rewritable. This is why when putting 980 desktop cores on a 980m the card literally identifies itself as a 980 desktop card.

 

were you ever able to get the faster memory working? I cant remember if you were able to

 

iirc he also soldered on some higher speed vram onto the PCB

 

Do you have one or two 980M with 980 cores?

 

Yeah but also had a problem with the resistors, that's what I was asking about lol. Can't remember if that was remedied.

 

Yep, I remember well this kind of magic worked in the past. This is still a powerful build nowadays, given it can be properly cooled (in the fridge or in Papu's igloo!)

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What Dell laptop come with full desktop 980 (N)?

 

I'll wait on your results. I've been thinking about having a water/air cooled heatsink. Water for when home and still able to be portable, without water.

 

What are these TDP numbers? They can't be legit.

 

They are legit. Listed on the Nvidia site: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/gaming-laptops/20-series/

Spoiler

Confirmed by Prema as well

 

It’s the price we have to pay due the notebook manufacturers think you all prefer slim and thin Apple design over adequate and good enough cooling. Maybe people open their eyes when all you get is Max-Q graphics design and all is rated below 90/100W TDP.

 

I have two MSI n16e-gxx-a1 cores sitting in a box somewhere that I meant to send to @Khenglish

 

I would have loved to have 980 (desktop) in the M18xR2. Especially with the 980m PCB with the mosfets filled in.

Are you gonna try that out?

 

The z height is different iirc

 

I put on 7 GHz rated chips from the 980 and they were a few hundred MHz faster. The card would be stable up to around 7.4 GHz at 1.5V, which is less than the 8 GHz expected from an overclocked desktop 980. I then put on 8 GHz rated chips meant for the 1070 and they were actually around 200 MHz slower than the 980's memory.

GDDR5 has termination setting resistors on the board. I don't know how this works or if it matters. Maybe incorrect termination settings are to blame, or the 980m pcb being lower quality than desktop pcbs.

 

So not quite a success but not a complete failure either?

Must've been fun little project none the less though! Your projects are always exciting to view

 

Agreed, still waiting on atleast pics of that P157SM GTX 1080 mod

Edit, @TheReciever you wouldn't mind making a post on your M4600? Curious about doing that myself

 

You mean the P150EM? Only the chassis is from a p157sm iirc

 

Yes that, typo

 

https://premamod.wordpress.com/2017/10/10/clevo-pascal-mxm-standard/ can be found here

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Some updates since then:

1: I finished the heatsink a long time ago. It's good for sustaining 180W if I don't mind the fan roaring at 100%. I typically cap the card at 150W to keep noise down. Letting it burn up to 230W is less than 10% of a performance increase. Mainly I need more airflow, but the GPU fan is restricted due to the GPU running into the fan shroud area.

2. Overall, running a modded P370em bios works better than running a modded P150em bios. Prema spent many hours trying to get dGPU eDP running right on a P150em bios, but there were always lack of image on boot, lack of keyboard brightness control, and GPU getting stuck in lower power state issues. A P370em bios resolves all of these issues, but with a stock bios the iGPU is powered off. Prema enabled the iGPU for me. The P370em bios does have acpi interrupt panic issues though if both Nvidia and Intel drivers are enabled, but I only ever need the iGPU for external ports, which is rare, so I typically have its driver disabled.

If you have a P1xxem system don't go flashing a P370em bios hoping it will help you somehow. You'll just get a black screen and need to blindflash back. Also I think the EC code is incompatible and will brick. The 2nd GPU fan signal on the 370 is a system reset signal on the 1xx. I did not flash the P370em EC code.

 

What's the origin of the lack of brightness control issue? I tried all the registry edits I could find without any success for both my old P870DM and its replacement China special 4K panel, and my 1070 SLI P370EM with 120hz eDP panel

 

For the EM series brightness control is generated by the PCH, and EM3 it comes from the dGPU. I don't know why Clevo did this. If I use the PCH source I can change brightness until windows loads. If I use the dGPU source I can change brightness once the Nvidia driver loads in windows 10, but not before. Maybe if I used the 370 EC it would work before, too, idk.

With the 150 bios the win10 registry would need to be modified to have slider brightness control. In win7 I had no control. With the 370 bios brightness control works in both win10 and win7 automatically.

I'm thinking with your P370 system that you originally had lvds, then got an eDP panel, but did not switch the motherboard jumper for dGPU brightness control. Does brightness control work during boot prior to windows loading?

As for the p870dm I don't know what the issue could be.

 

Yes p370 was lvds, now edp. Never tried it in bios. Is this jumper in the service manual?

 

Yes it's in the service manual. I'll send you their location in PM.

 

news about RTX clevo cards. their form factorshould be the same of old GTX 1xxx clevo cards
http://www.eurocom.com/ec/modelsg(7)MobileSupercomputers

 

Its going to take some clever tricks to fit the die within MXM 3.0B or even MXM 3.1B specs as RTX dies are huge.

 

I was talking about gtx1xxx clevo mxm 3.0 cards. RTX cards should require a new gpu HS because the gpu die and gddr6 are thicker

 

Hi also interested in this pls. I lost hotkey control of brightness when I swapped to an LG IPS display running eDP cable on my P377-SMA and was using the reg key to control brightness via windows. Can you pls send me the info on which jumper to flip?

 

It should actually be relatively easy to do so. If you ever break apart a GTX 1080 or RTX 2080 desktop you'll notice that a lot of the parts are somewhat lackluster, poor quality capacitors, lower quality VRM, etc. Than their MXM counterpart in the GTX 1080.

The large power Mosfets alone on the MXM version are about 24$, and from TI. Even moreso the smaller components like the depletion and gain mosfets, which actually are pretty scant, are exceedingly costly. The PCB is also 12-18 layers (could not really tell the depth).

That leaves me to believe that it isn't a matter of fitting on the MXM form, rather it is an issue of providing quality components. Those desktop cards themselves are effective because they can sacrifice quality for area. In addition to that, most laptops route signal chains to a on-board decoder instead of relying on a GPU board based one.
Fermi fit onto the Mxm form pretty snug, but the size of even the 2080 RTX is barely 16mm² larger. It might explain however why the 2080ti isn't on the series for Mxm GPUs at least not yet coming in at around 750mm².
Additionally, it is possible to reroute the currents needed to smaller channels without much issue. In fact that probably more of the reason. We might see a 150w 2080.

 

NVIDIA Quadro 5000M

 

Hi
Just today, on one of the polish sites, appeared kind a teaser of their upcoming review of the new Clevo barebone based on P775TM1-G with i7-9700 and RTX2070. You can see there exactly how the card looks like.

Spoiler: RTX2070 PurePC

https://translate.google.com/transl...geforce_rtx_2070_w_wersji_mobile_co_juz_wiemy

 

wow thanks for sharing that link

 

Don't bother waiting for GT63's MXM card anymore. I guess it is just Clevo-style or MSI New style MXM left.
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/6022199813

 

Standard is dead
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Ouch is all I can say

 

MSI 1080(mxm) had also a "significantly " different shape, let's wait for 2070 and 2060.(i hope :S)