The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

What is the difference between the revisions? All I see are slight physical differences. Does one come with a VBIOS chip and the other without one?

 

They both have Bios chips. Maybe mxm 3.0 and 3.1(Type-B)

 

Any differences in TGP or are they both the same?

 

I don't know, smaller would be better, but it doesn't matter max-q or max-p version. The bigger trouble is that it may not fit in place.

 

If it doesn't fit, take a dremel to the chassis. That's what I had to do to my Ranger, just be sure to hose down the chassis after you cut it and let it dry under a fan or in the sun.

 

Hello. Can you add purchase link?

 

No link. It was a French seller and it was his first sale.
(I'll get it next week.)

 

I don’t know if it was a good idea, test it and let us know if it does work dude

 

Did you have adapter to normal mxm mounting holes? Something like this? This is adapter mounted to RTX 4000.

 

No adapter ..... if I got the card I'll tell you everything. I do not know what will happen. I hope you somehow succeed. If not, I'll sell or buy a laptop.

 

New HP RTX card, like you buy have shifted mounting holes, so adapter look easier way to install it. Making adapter on 3D printer need some dimensioning old and new card differences in mounting holes.

 

Where can I buy such an adapter if I don't want to print?

 

Hmm. I'm found this pic on chinese forum. I tried contact with post owner but he don't answer me. It looks like someone need do this. I want also upgrade my laptop with RTX 4000 or 5000. He have same model like mine so i know this will work.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/277967/...ies-and-quadro-t1000-series-mxm-upgrade-cards

hail to the king! 3.0B format. Should fit AW18

 

very nice, should also fit the MS16L1/Tornado F5

 

Nice!

I was really excited for Ampere MXM cards when I read the title. Looks like they misinterpreted the card name.

RTX 2060 performance on a standard MXM form factor card is still good though!

 

Good luck sourcing one of these cards for less than the cost of a new machine

 

Anyone tried the RTX 3000 or RTX 5000 in an Alienware M17x R4 or Ranger?
I am asking because I am seeing the RTX 3000 going for sweet deals same prices as 1070, and could help breath some life into my ancient R4.

 

https://www.cincoze.com/goods_info.php?id=347

This website is similar to perfrectron, where you have to fill out a forum to see if you can buy it.

 

I remember @Baddemichl using a Quadro RTX 5000 in his Alienware 18.

@Baddemichl which revision of the laptop do you have? Is it the Viking (Alienware 18), or the one before that?

In any case, a card that works in any one of the 2012 or 2013 models seems to work with the rest, so the Quadro RTX 5000 most likely will work with the M17x R4 and the Ranger.

 

He used the RTX 5000 in the M18x R2 and Alienware 18, but had to fab a custom mounting bracket to the board and another for the heatsink.

for me Price is too high to justify putting it into a 9 year old laptop. $1500 will buy a very nice new machine with none of the headaches of a retrofit

 

That amount of money will buy a barebone Clevo X170, which is a much better laptop.

I'm a bit conflicted because I want to keep my Ranger going since it's CPU is still enough for me. I just need a more powerful GPU. On the other hand, I don't want to invest money in old hardware that may not provide enough processing power to meet my needs anymore in a year or two.

I really like this laptop though. I suppose I can relegate it to only FPS games in the future since those only need quad core CPUs, and this will probably remain the case for a while.

 

I can have the Clevo X170 in my country, but they do not provide PREMA with it, so I was wondering if its worth having without PREMA? Seeing how there new AMD CPU's in laptops and the RTX 3070 even at 120W pretty much performs the same as RTX 2080 at 200W in most cases.
I was wondering if its still a good buy?

 

I'd say it depends on what you're looking for. Without the Prema BIOS, the X170 is kinda gimped. The Prema BIOS allows it to unleash its full potential.

Having said that, if you're only after gaming, I'd say the X170 is the way to go still, even without the Prema BIOS. Go with an AMD offering if you need the extra cores or think you may need them in the near future.

 

I am actually interested if PREMA will make the 11th gen desktop CPU's possible on the X170 and if Clevo will make any RTX 30xx on MXM, although I bet those MXM cards will be pricey as sweet Jesus, the BGA one is already 1000 euro between the 3070 and 3080.

 

Want more cores you still have to go with Clevo. On top you'll get soldered GPU. + 15,6 inch is all you get. 10 cores in X170 is still more powerful than any AMD mobile chips.

 

I'm pretty sure there is an AMD DTR offering from Clevo that you can stick a Ryzen 9 3950X into. It still sucks though because of soldered graphics.

Clevo is indeed making RTX 3000 series MXM cards. I don't know if they are using a new Z590 motherboard in the X170KM-G or if they're sticking with the Z490 motherboard from the X170SM-G. Regardless, both motherboard chipsets are compatible with Comet Lake and Rocket Lake CPUs. I don't think the Prema BIOS will be required to drop in a Rocket Lake CPU into the X170SM-G. The hardware should already support it and just work.

 

Did you get card now?

 

https://www.cincoze.com/data/files/202012/Datasheet_MXM-RTX3000.pdf

MXM 3.1 in AW18 ? not so sure...

 

Seems like PNY, Adlink and aetina are in there too :

Pny:
https://www.pny.com/professional/explore-our-products/nvidia-embedded-gpu-solutions

Adlink:
https://www.adlinktech.com/en/Embedded_MXM_Modules.aspx

Aetina:
https://www.aetina.com/products-list.php?t=23

 

Pny with 105x82mm dimensions MXM -B . Great news for my 8770W!

 

they are way too expensive and gtx 1070 still faster than that. Seems that mxm rtx for public just doesnt will happen. BGA won this battle.

 

I think the only way that these newer MXM cards will be "easier" to obtain is kind of like the "thinkpad way." A big company buys a ton of them, and then years later will sell off all of them due to newer tech. Though, I don't think a giant or bigger company will buy these MXM cards, and even if so, they'll probably be quite outdated.

 

Well sometime you can find rtx 3000 on eBay per 300/400 dollars but performance are nearly gtx 1060 but with RT feature, RTX 5000 has crazy prices and performance are similar gtx 1070. Rtx 2XXX GeForce mobile mxm just don’t exists so let’s call it a day. Legacy laptop upgrades goodbye :/

 

I thought the Quadro RTX 5000 MXM card performed significantly better than the GTX 1070 even in its power limited state.

 

It’s way faster with an 150w vbios (full performance version) but still the price it’s crazy guys

 

Its a qaudro, your expecting pre-inflation geforce pricing

 

Legacy laptops are limited by quad core Intel CPU's, it would only make sense in Clevo machines that can accept 6 or 8 core CPU's but for the price of a RTX 5000 you can buy a BGA laptop with RTX 3070....
Well if you can find a laptop with 3070 in stock, thanks miners.

 

quadro RTX 5000 isn't like rtx 2080?
https://www.notebookcheck.net/GeFor...adro-RTX-5000-Laptop_10231_9852.247598.0.html

 

It’s a bit confusing due that rtx laptop gpus have various tdp design

 

Yes but rtx laptop gpu performance are not so crazy to bottleneck quad core cpus so easily. The only game that it’s very cpu demanding it’s CP2077. And with rtx on FPS goes down so less cpu utilisation. Bga laptop sucks they are becoming like consoles and seems that clevo is taking that way too

 

Did you have maybe some high TDP bios for RTX4000, RTX5000?

 

Come on now, you and I know both that quad core CPU's from that era are severely bottlenecking GTX 2070 and up, if you watch Hardware Unboxed videos even the 1070 is bottlenecked by quad core CPU's, its not just games using more and more cores its also the single core speed of older Intel CPU's specially from 2012 and 2015 are slower than what we got out today.

Its better to have a balanced system and just acknowledge the limitations of ancient laptops rather than just overbuilding one part.
The reason I was interested in the RTX 3000 was simply because its got ray tracing but seeing how I cannot find it in a standard MXM format and the need to create a custom heatsink for the M17x R4 is way more time and effort I like to put into something this old.

I agree, BGA can **** itself, but I am a lot more on the move than I used to be, desktops did not make sense for me but I wanted one anyway I just found it to be more annoying than it was worth it, I would gone with legendary X170 Clevo but when a brand new BGA laptop usually goes for 2000 bucks and a RTX 3080 in Clevo MXM format will probably cost 1000 bucks anyway, I rather just buy a brand new BGA laptop and get a new CPU as the Clevo X170 will be limited to 11th gen desktop CPU's and those are not very impressive anyway, I mean they are on par with an APU from AMD, thats just sad and its still 14nm and a power hog.
I also cannot understand why Clevo cannot make better chassis and keyboards, its always been my only issue with them, cheap plastic and horrible keyboards, they used to have good keyboards like 10 years ago, what happened?

 

It’s called cost cutting. 2005-2008 thinkpad T43-T61 keyboards and 2008-2012 Alienware M15x/M17x keyboards are may favorite in the industry.

Everybody trying to save a nickel on machines these days, even in supposedly boutique machines

 

I agree, 2 dollar cost cutting on a keyboard from great to trash scales up when you sell millions, but its such a shame when Tongfang can do it with mech keyboards on their laptops and yet still be price competitive with other trashy BGA machines.
Asus has also upped their game quite a lot with their keyboards, I tested a few off them and they are really good for being the old membrane chiclet but that is at least something one would expect they charge Apple prices unless you can get it on sale.

I think Clevo should develop some kind of universal mount for keyboards for their next laptops and just let resellers stick whatever keyboard they feel like be it a cheapo standard Clevo one or a mech keyboard. Better to let them decide what goes into the chassis than Clevo as they seem to have no clue about comfort and usability, I still have nightmare about P150 keyboard used to give me cuts on my fingers cause I type so fast so I would cut myself on the razor sharp edges of the keys.

 

Tongfang does NOT have the marketing, personnel etc costs anywhere near any of those other companies so it's kind of a hard comparison. What sucks is that thin/light bga laptops keyboards are pretty hard to replace if at all. My favorite keyboards were the old precisions.

 

Non standard RX 5700 mxm from Sonnet Breakaway Puck, ouch to my $900 USD. probably need to throw it on nicehash to recover some cost :/

As for this card possibly only the ASRock Deskmini can take it.

 

Do they have a signal output or are they just embedded boards?

 

There are 1xDP, 1xHDMI, and 1x TB3 on the box. I don't have any laptop that can take this card so can't say for sure. There is RX 5700m vBIOS from Dell m51 on TPU though