The hopeful of keeping MXM 3.0b alive thread!

anyways that's crazy how even prices for old notebook gpus are so high right now

 

I think the Quadro P4000 MXM variant is a better buy, has exact 980M like design vs the MSI 1060 where the Inductors have different placement. Plus more VRAM too, probably runs cooler due to binned silicon as well but cannot OC however both are also closer to 980M overclocked.

It's a shame that MXM 3.0b has last it's successors being Quadro PCBs and GPUs from the Workstations and now with HP also going away from 3.0b with their Turing RTX5000 slightly mutated format where Memory placement has shifted towards right and vrm components changed in placement and choice of components, then we have the full custom Dell DGFF bs.

So the Quadro Pascal P5200 8.9TFs (nerfed memory vs 1080, GDDR5 instead of the GDDR5X) is the true high end MXM GPU (150W Power limit) that we can buy, price is absurd though for those unfortunately right now. The Black 1070 ones (dunno if it's Dell P5000 or HP P5000 PCB) where Chinese ebay sellers have swapped the P5000 core is unreliable from what I've seen here, that P5000 MXM GPU is made for the 110W only so makes sense for the PCB being highly restricted to 110W and going over that spec might cause a failure, and the vBIOS people using for that is the MSI 1070N, I think we have to limit the Power else the 1070N core will pull more power and fry the GPU in the process. All other options need Dremel with or without heatsink mod. Zotac 1070 is also a solid option but it's now unobtainium and the HS needs a mod probably.

Also I saw this Quadro Pascal P5200 GPU by Wolf Advanced Technology WMXM-P5200E-VO (WOLF-9146) on other thread posted by our MXM information expert @sicily428 , Posting it for more visibility. It looks interesting and definitely ultra expensive too as it's made in North America and meets MIL spec standards, ready for Aerospace usage with tons of gold contacts and rugged design, looks like a beast and definitely deserves that WOLF name. Notice the Inductors layout, it's not like 980M 3.0b but rather MSI 1060 MXM. It's simply amazing to look how the MXM 3.0b standard is robust and sophisticated to have such a wide range of applications from Automobile to Military in the Industrial sector. And due to shameless greed and no competition from AMD the fantastic standard got culled.

 

Yeah, it's a shame that MXM has distanced itself from the general consumer market, but I'm glad it still exists in the industrial space

I also find it extremely funny that MXM has managed to get itself into an electric vehicle.

 

Would be basically impossible with how the slot is orientated

 

Ehhhhh, I'd beg to differ. It would probably be possible to cut the chassis and display bezel, but you would probably need to make a custom heatsink. The finished product, if one decides to follow through, would almost be like those Thinkpads with the 99Wh batteries where it sticks out at the back.

 

Quite right, MXM card would stick out the back if I looked at it correctly, selling it tomorrow anyways

 

Guys...like,
https://www.ebay.com/itm/114922618099?_trkparms=ispr=1&hash=item1ac1ebfcf3:g:4T8AAOSwS9dhC8WC&amdata=enc:AQAGAAACkPYe5NmHp%2B2JMhMi7yxGiTJkPrKr5t53CooMSQt2orsSR84A%2FGMxXIqJzFmDq6lDLt0fVZVNwhJMJ8YihGasS0t8O7IoAgOztrdErA%2FnsGFVwyBXCSgBDYLUV8UfEmekEqbEZDYj%2FLE4W6Ta3RrFFMXSKuy%2BEWW8bWZ0Piwk1VbCLLndAcvzVwrs8QCcoqjQyufH7PmbVV3EfZW4Jx0JViZni74%2B2Y2iyp7eS55eINW9rpEKYPT4OctZeM7pK%2F8AZM2uTPAcG3%2F9TqkKb7NKSkBpWyPq00L7nIRJETR4TvaDX%2BSKPmFLlsBNBKs7HweENZXkjziQX0zcfV92v%2FLrjypk0w6R4yXXEoHrbrNimCF%2BRymcUgWCK0OQzNqgW%2Bp0cQoZki8ivC2oj2Cod7mGDYLXnlcAgpr2uKEqOy4ZIw6oW9ncpzXnLPhfgUgoYoqoqIAEtLa1ap6EXAFloeo86D7JXZOVwSqRpLqTDcI4VCBNxO4DXVdFv2OC%2FIiCSVIfTFl315jqkyzrgt1W0R%2FNp50HBLOWrSHiD%2F%2Fx%2BaCyjnwC1VFOOesQ0RcaIlYxv75NSEmJSw4iFuX3hNQYopktjwLx4ZmXeIeLr1QY1ZAFUVEA0BB1Tx%2Fjv88DbaZlX%2B5g8%2FaH055Wf%2BUnXmHsiuY6yZpExHXFoV6FjQqOWm7dsRcVDrpUDnFiuqhSxb%2B87YH8qlFFCdO%2B83%2BdifXn3eketr%2FRLGZRJ1FFL255nFdAoNu4dZDZw9%2FFMakAVfN1OgQnQo0z6MbacQnLvg5Y%2BY0n8gNYtCCfcNZOHrkEi%2BY%2B%2BetUvDeIW%2BqMGnvyY%2BdwdwQe9a061vfxFEBYNZAl5Rayw%2Fpv6BwL4JCiUBHC%2FK6QxiRz|ampidL_CLK|clp:2334524

 

1080 in mxm 3.0.b format?

 

This is a really good find!

It seems someone made another frankenstein card. My hope is that we will see some of these with RTX 2000 series GPUs.

I already got a new DTR, so there isn't much of a point for me to get one of these cards anymore, but it would definitely benefit those still rocking systems with older GPUs.

 

With today’s Jokebooks with soldered on HW you’re pretty screwed @Mr. Fox @Ashtrix

There is always a chance if your laptop support socket HW.

 

Going to need external power for that card it looks like, You could get it from the motherboard but for your goals the AW18 isnt likely to live long on top of a 4.5Ghz overclock

 

1400 cad for just a card when you can get a full 2060 laptop for 1300 cad....yeah damn bga///filthbooks....dudes prices go down and it defeats the purpose of upgrading when a 1080 is 900 plus usd

 

This really depends on what you're upgrading from and how long a CPU normally lasts you. Ideally, you should skip a generation or two before upgrading the GPU. Generation to generation upgrades (assuming same performance tier) generally aren't that great.

For me, it's worth doing since it saves me thousands of dollars. A CPU usually has a useful lifetime of 7-9 years for me, so I don't upgrade the CPU until I need a completely new platform anyway.

GPUs on the other hand last me 3-4 years. In the same time span that a CPU lasts me, I'll have gone through 2-3 GPUs. For the performance I need, I'd have to spend around $2000 per laptop. That means I'd have to buy 2-3 laptops over that 7-9 year period, which would cost me $4000-$6000.

If I buy a $2000 upgradeable laptop and spend another $1000 in GPU upgrades over its entire useful lifetime, then I spend $3000 over that 7-9 year period, which saves me between $1000-$3000. That is a substantial savings. Even if I increase that budget to $1500 for upgrades, it's still a substantial savings.

Again, it depends on the kind of user you are. Most of us on these forums are power users, so we would save a lot of money by getting an LGA laptop with socketed graphics. The average user would be better off buying a new laptop once every 5-10 years since that's the cheaper option for them. I hate BGA machines because I belong to the former demographic, and buying such laptops would force me to spend much more money, which I am not willing to do, hence my strong aversion to craptops.

Everything serves a purpose of course. BGA laptops are good for those who need them. I'm just frustrated that LGA options are disappearing for those of us who need them.

 

Thats an Aetina card. Seen couple of them on Ebay over the years
here another one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/274892850624?hash=item4000e405c0:g:LuUAAOSwTrdhDBmq
Not sure about the 4pin conector, might be the one that the original P870DM has

Edit: Looked at all the information I could find, and it looks like those 4 pins are PWR_SRC (power source). Now I am positive that slot is exactly like the original DM PWR_SRC slot. (2 wires PWR and 2 ground)

 

I bought a asrock deskmini with this card like 3 years ago i think? Maybe 4. I tried it in the alienware 17 r1 and the msi tornado f5. I was able to get it to work in both cases after some vbios flashing and case modification. The card is actually longer than standard mxm 3.0b by just a bit. Probably 1/8 inch or so.

The power connector wasn't populated on the deskmini i got it from so i thought it could work but it never really did. The ranger couldn't give the card enough power and the f5 had vbios issues. Never could get it to work on the internal screen. It's a shame no one ever just created a laptop that just took mxm cards and desktop cpus which would be open and supported. The closest you get is clevo and they have their issues. I made a thread about that card but it's burried in the 17 r1 section somewhere.

 

I'm doing exactly that on mine

 

Aetina 1080 standart 3.0B
For 599 dollars
https://www.ebay.com/itm/274892850624?hash=item4000e405c0:g:LuUAAOSwTrdhDBmq

 

I'm seeing some quadro RTX GPUs in MXM 3.0B format as well.

 

Oddly (or sadly?) those have been getting my attention of late more than any potential Geforce product. One could hope that we start to see more MXM AMD cards just to add a drop to this barren sea lol

If I could have a 5700 XT like performance from an AMD MXM card I would be interested pending its price of course (which would be high due to market forces)

 

Alright boys, I found this thing, does anyone know where this 980m came from? Whoever made it actually used brain cells and decided to put an 8 pin on it so you could theoretically use this in any laptop and maybe even a desktop if you get one of those weird adapters. Though, I am assuming this card was meant for desktops hence the 8 pin.

 

That is not an 980m, it is a 980DT hence the additional power. It is the equivalent of this on clevos.

If you look at the core it is marked GXX. 980m is marked GX only.

 

Something like this has been run on the Alienware 17 R1 before in the past. The owner has since moved on to the GTX 1070 some time ago

 

Oh damn, I just noticed that, even better

 

Alright so I got some interesting info regarding some cards. First, I found this RTX 3000 MXM card which is the closest to standard mxm 3.0b format I've seen. It is based on RTX 2060 I believe in terms of cores/vram. Has 80W TGP. I am talking to the company and might try it in M18xR2.

What's more interesting is I got some info regarding A4000 MXM modules as well. Apparently the preliminary design is about the same as RTX 3000 and TGP will be somewhere between 80-110W. There is a seller local to me on eBay selling the RTX 3000 actually so I may hit them up and see if it works with the heatsink. There's still hope lol





I'm sure @UltraGSM @MrMogwai @Maxware79 will follow suite if I can get it working.

And @Mr. Fox would be proud to see the once king of 2012 running modern GPUs til this day lol

 

Keep us posted!!

 

I bought the card. Should hopefully have it by Friday and install Saturday.

 

Hell yeah!

 

nice keep us posted

 

Gonna be an interesting weekend:

 

Kudos on the card but doesn't that need a custom heatsink ? I see the memory layout being different, and the top Chokes and MOSFETs as well vs that 675M standard 3.0b card on the right. On Ranger, that card will need a custom HS for sure, or modify the HS completely by dremel work. @Striker1234 modified his HS with help of his friend for the Zotac 1070 upgrade which had custom layout for VRM components, memory was same as 3.0b.



All the Best !!

 

M18xR2 heatsink doesn't require as much work getting something like that working. I do have a spare heatsink I modified a bit in the middle to fit this msi 1060. So we will see what happens. Also ordered thermal pad set.




Also for everyone, is this everything needed to be covered by thermal pads? Am I missing anything or adding something not needed?

 

THat doesnt look like it would be much work, even if you had to mod it. First glance just looks like thicker thermal pads

 

covering capacitor, mosfet controller (in the middle) and "R47" coil is useless

 

Got some good news! RTX 3000 is working in M18xR2. No modifying required at all on heatsink. I did use thicker thermal pads and I used 7970m x-bracket.

Just needed INF mod. Will post pics and video later.

Check this post as sneak peak:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...rs-welcome-too.810490/page-1215#post-11120320

 

As a bonus @UltraGSM will be testing Aetina GTX 1080 in his M18xR2 once I ship it to him.

 

Great job guys!

 

From a benchmark perspective I've been going in circles until recently lol

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/26323934/fs/16862474/fs/25466379/fs/19775399/fs/4002945

Obviously feature wise and having all that performance on one card vs two makes a huge difference.

I am hoping to get my hands on A4000 MXM next year

 

There are some surprising results there. The dual 680M's had a higher graphics score than the dual 780M's which is really strange and the P4000 should be between the 1060 and 1070 and it scored less than the 1060. My 1070/3920XM was scoring 12700 with drivers from Jan 2020 (graphics score of 16169)

 

One thing to keep in mind is, these are my "best" scores.

680m SLI was running a very special vBIOS that had a very high voltage and power limit. It was done on AC Cooling.
780m SLI with newer drivers have throttling issues in AW M18xR2. It required a workaround and even then only a small oc can be done.
1060 just like the others was also overclocked as high as the power limit allowed it.
P4000 & RTX 3000 are stock because Quadro cards are locked so they are going stock vs all OC cards.

 

I never tried OC'ing my 1070 before I sold it. I'd seen a few bad stories of people killing them and didn't want to risk it.

 

Aetina 1080 in Viking
We are working on installing Clevo 1080 and 3080 in future

 

Does the laptop POST or boot up at all? If so, we'd like to see it

 

Where did you get that Velociraptor FX-2280?

 

Its my guy who manage all this. Im just sponsoring .
Later i will send more info.

 

Yes its worked. Since hes from China, its on Chinese, but still

 

Very nice. Have a 3dmark firestrike and timespy result? Would be nice to compare.

@UltraGSM will be testing same set-up in m18xR2 so will be interesting to see which platform does better.

Perhaps you and your friend want to join our AW Group Chat on WhatsApp with me @UltraGSM @MrMogwai @Maxware79 we are some of the last ones still working on AW machines with MXM ports.

BTW were you able to fix bug with velociraptor causing SSD to stay powered on even when laptop is off? Check SSD hours, even when laptop is off, the SSD stays on.

You can try taobao but even the ones me and the others got were special order and hard to get.

 

i dumb af. Guy who do all this for me will give all screenshots and explanations for me and ill post it here. Im just the money/

 

LOL sounds good.

Maybe I should get another AW 18 Viking soon for experiments

 

If the VRMs can be overhauled then that could be very interesting since the biggest fault for that system was VRMs blowing up all the time.

 

Where's Buildzoid when we need him the most?