UPDATED - The Mobile Graphics Card Info Page - Most GPU Qs answered

Maybe this is a bit off-topic, but would it be possible to include some of the ATI HD-series in the list on the first page? Like the HD 2300, 2400 and 2600? I see alot of laptops for sale with those things in them, but don't really know what to compare them to. I use the list a lot, cuz i'm kind of a newbie where laptops are concerned.

I obviously didn't read through all 160 pages, so maybe it has been mentioned before.

but thanks anyways.

 

They are still new and the information about them is a bit limited but if you consider a certain notebook, then tell us and we will tell you what we know about its peformance...

 

As Dreamer noted we are hurting for HD 2000 series mobile cards benchmarks, and we're not talking about the 3DMark stuff - real world gaming scores.

To give you a rough idea of where they will go (or should go) is next to the Nvidia card they are designed to compete with. So HD 2600 should be on par with an 8600M and so on. However until we can confirm that . . .

That's also why you don't see the integrated Nvidia 7100 in there.

 

@wolfraider: Actually, an 8700M-GT indeed is just an overclocked 8600M-GT. And your comparisons to the Go7 series are misleading and false.

However, to answer your question there is only one version of the 8700M-GT, though some companies like Toshiba underclock it. It has pretty good OC capabilities, as it's a fairly cool running card, some have overclocked it to get as much as a 20-40% performance gain.

 

ok, thanks for the info. I don't have a specific notebook that i like yet. They all seem to have these weird combinations for my price-range. Either an ultra-fast processor and loads of HD, but with crappy video-cards and RAM memory, or right the other way around, real slow processors, with extreme graphics-cards. There just doesn't seem to be a middle way, which is what i'm looking for.

 

The comparsions are of course not 100% right but it gives you some idea where they stand.

If it is just OC version can you than tell me how come they only are fitted in 17"+ DTR. thanks.

 

So my question is still, if the 8700 gt is an overclocked 8600 gt, can it still be overclocked if it already is?

 

Because the higher clock speeds require more power and give off more heat than a normal 15" can handle. However with a notebook cooler and some thermal compound, 8600M-GT's in 15.4" notebooks can be safely run at 8700M-GT's speeds.

Yup, it can still be overclocked. The 8700M-GT is designed with the power and cooling to run stock at what would be an extreme OC for the 8600M-GT.

 

Basically, I have a few options. I can either have an XPS system with the Nvidia 7900 Go GS, 1 GB RAM, 2.0 GHZ dual processor, and a 5400 RPM drive, or I can get another computer that has 8600M GT with 2 GB RAM, 2.4 GHz dual processor, 7200 RPM drive and maybe a few other things. Which would be better from a strictly gaming point of view? Thanks in advance!

 

If they cost the same it is a "no brain" which to get. But with what you asked the 7900GS is a more powerful card. 900 series vs 600 series, and yes I know it is GS vs GT but still. If cost is close 2nd system is better overall and I would buy.

 

If the 8600M-GT was the GDDR3 version, I'd consider it. Although it wouldn't be quite as good from a strictly gaming perspective, it'd be close, with some overclocking making up the difference easily. The better processor and hard drive also make that machine an attractive option, assuming the cost is the same. What systems are you looking at, at what prices?

 

I thought 7900 Go GS was similar performance to 8600m GT?

 

I'd personally go for the 8600M GT based one. It has more RAM, a better processer, & a better HDD.

 

Well, basically I've got a Dell XPS system from Dell to replace my previous system, and to be honest its pretty much an Inspiron 1705 with battery wasting lights posted everywhere. I'm really not impressed at all. Either way, I figure I can sell the XPS system for anywhere between $1600 and 1900 reasonably since it's a brand new XPS system, and I was looking at replacing it with all those options with a Dell 1720 (doesn't offer the hard drive speed), or an HP(which offers all of the above for like $18xx). I'm not worried about price, what I'm worried about which costs more, I'm more or less worried about which will perform better in a gaming environment and by how much?

Is an 8700 reall just an overclocked 8600M GT? How much can I safely overclock it and get 2 or 3 years out of it? Can I even do it with those laptops? They lock down the bios for the most part.

I'm also open to other options beside HP and Dell in those price ranges. If you have an idea, I'd love to hear it! Thanks!

Also, which is more powerful? The 8600M GS or the 8600M GT... I'd like to say the GT, but the specs on the nvidia web site lead me to believe the GS might be better... Thanks again!

 

Does anyone what the desktop equivalent of the GeForce 8700M GT would be???

 

The HP would only have an 8600M-GS, which is not nearly as powerful as the 8600M-GT. And yes, an 8700M-GT is just an overclocked 8600M-GT with GDDR3 VRAM. So a DDR2 8600M-GT, like in the 1720, won't do nearly as well as the 8700M-GT, even if overclocked.

In those price ranges you should be looking at things like the HP 8710p or the Toshiba X205 (maybe the SLI version).

That would be the 8600GTS, though of course the GTS performs better (the mobile version is clocked lower than the desktop version)

 

oh wow, Toshiba has an 8600M-GT SLI?? That is very very nice! Might have to grab that.

 

Hold up, I know if you talk to Dell they will lower there price. Will Toshiba do the same thing or are they solid on their price?

 

Both Dell and Toshiba's systems are new, so they are less likely to barter with you, but there is no harm in trying.

Not very long ago someone mentioned in one of the other threads that Dell was unwilling to give him more than a $50 discount on the new Dell SLI system.

You can find both the Toshiba and the Dell systems online from resellers for cheaper than the official websites (try a number of different search engines to find the best price for where you live).

 

See, I actually can't find another place that sells the SLI1 Dual 8600 GT systems anywhere. Every one that I see has a single 8700 in it for some reason. Any ideas where I should start looking?

 

yup. Toshiba will take $100 off, but thats about all I could get out of them.

 

WHen will the ATI HD2900XT come out for laptops?

 

probably never, they are having problems with the desktop so they need to fix that before they move to there.

Nvidia has the lead in high end- mobile GPU and they will have it for some time that is sure.

 

Word "never" doesn't exist in computer world...
Five years ago thinking of some notebook with two sli 7800 would be sci-fi...

Also i don't think that there is one producer better than the other...simply they have different target...nvdia give you much fps but image quality(filters,video) of ati cards is much more better but it lacks on performance...

 

It used to be that way, but now ati doesn´t have the edge on image quality...

 

not true of the 1xxx and 7 series

Last I checked the best setup you could get was Crossfire X1950XTXs right before the 8800GTX came out..

and the Price / performance was in ATI's hands as well with the X1950xt and x1950GT/PRO but that's in the high end, even though the x1950PRO and GT was priced like a mid range card.

 

Well, with the RV670 being at 55nm, I think they would want to release a mobile version of chip instead (and R600 is at 80nm)

 

again, we are tlaking about mobile cards, which ATI has never had much of a foot hold in as of late.

 

With ATI's forthcomming die shrink we will likely a refresh from ati I highly doubt it will be 2900 performance though. Nvidia is also preparing a die shrink with the g92 and g98 my guess is we can expect a mobile refresh around q1 2008.

 

Sorry but im a bit of a noob at all this, just wondering how much of an effect will the amount of memory have on gaming. Im looking for a new laptop atm and am conserned anout being able to play new games withought any hassle.

Cheers

 

8600 > 7600

 

Memory does effect it much at all except for when you are running games at high res.

and yes, 8600>7600

 

Please read the stickies before posting, the GPU Guide covers this exact question.

 

what is the diffrens bettwen
GDDR2 and GDDR3
in 8600m GT???
and how can i know my GDDR 2 or 3 in my VGA???

and what is GDDR mean???

 

It's DDR2 and GDDR3 (not to be confused with DDR3). They are different memory technologies. The major difference is that GDDR3 can be clocked higher, meaning more performance. There's only a handful of laptops with 8600M GT GDDR3. What's your laptop?

GDDR=Graphics Double Datarate (ram). It's, (like I said) a memory technology.

 

Does the 8700gt on a laptop have the power to play a game like bioshock? the laptop is the Toshiba Satellite X205-S9359.

GPU info: NVIDIA® GeForce® 8700M GT

767MB total: 512MB DDR3 discrete memory + up to 255MB shared memory w/NVIDIA® TurboCache™ technology

 

yes, and without a glitch. Other notebooks with 8700m gt include SAGER NP9261 and XPS 1730.

 

uhh probabbly on med settings i'm guessing

 

a lot of people say that 8600 will only pull bioshock at medium, but i have to say that i played it on high settings...i know, fps were not going over 30 too much, but the gameplay was pretty smooth overall.

 

did you oc it or something? cause i tried running a World In Conflic Demo before it was released, and it was pretty laggy to me :S eek

 

nope, haven't tried wic yet, even tho i got it lol
p.s. don't be scared - try it at all hi!

 

LOL..i am..i oced it a few times..but it was never stable :S and i lag on max for et:qw..i dont think i'm willing to stand pain to the heart to see my g1s in such struggle..XD

 

don't wanna be running my mouth or show off or anything, but i seem to run quake wars pretty good on high setting, with no aa or af... i tweaked my sys a bit, but nothing major or anything... that's strange, since g1's have gddr3, right?

 

My machine runs bioshock on medium settings. Although FPS drops below 20 at times but it was extremely smooth for an fps

 

lol..when i say max..i mean EVERYTHING max lol i have aa x2 and vertical sync and all the shading stuff :S

edit: did i mention that i run it on 1680x1050?

 

here u go! i run my games on 1280*800

 

lol maybe that's why..i'm a detail freak :S

 

so am i, i'd hate to run a game in a non-native res..

 

The nVidia GeForce 8600GT 256MB is definately better than the NVIDIA® 7950 GTX right? I'm new to this stuff :/

 

Please try utilizing the search function or just google it... Anyways, just to answer your question the 8600 GT is inferior to the 7950 GTX. There is no comparison