UPDATED - The Mobile Graphics Card Info Page - Most GPU Qs answered

^^ i think the 8400

 

9600m GS DDR2 < HD3650 DDR2< 9600m GS GDDR3 < HD3650 GDDR3

The GDDR3 9600m GS is only *slightly* ahead of the DDR2 HD3650.

It's a little slower than the 8600 GT desktop card.

 

OK thanks for that info.

 

Hey i about to buy a lap top and i am looking ad 3 different model can any body help me

1 http://fcomputer.dk/artikler/notebook/fl90-spec.htm 1342.84 Dollars

2 P8400 – 2,26Ghz 1066Mhz FSB 3MB Cache – 25Watts
4 GB (2x2GB) DDR2 PC6400 800MHZ
Zepto Zpro2 (NBG) 300Mbit
DVD-RW / CD-RW SATA
Keyboard Nexus/Nox DK BLACK
6 Cell Nox/Nexus black
WSXGA+ 1680x1050 ZBD + NVIDIA® 9600M GT 512MB GDDR3
250GB 7200rpm SATA Harddisk
Intel Turbo Memory2 - (4GB HMC) 1723.97 dollars

Any advice..?

 

What's the other one you're looking at?

The 9600m GT is better than the 8600m GT for gaming but the 8600m GT in that laptop is MXM-III so it's upgradable.

Aside from that i can't see much difference since the first on doesn't list the processor:\

 

Intel Core 2 Duo T9300 (2.5GHz)
4GB DDR2 Ram
200GB Harddisk 7200rpm (16MB)
512MB 8600M GT (directX 10)
DVD Brænder
15.4" Wide / Glare TFT Skærm
2.0M Pixel Webcam
4x USB 2.0 & 1x Firewire
Gigabit LAN & 300Mbps Wlan


upgradable.?

there only these to my bad..

 

What? <moo>

 

That the only thing there is otherwise this is the http://fcomputer.dk/artikler/notebook/fl90-spec.htm
http://fcomputer.dk/index.php?show=...4&sublink=&mshow=&linkid=1448&specialsys=2634

 

Very easy to read, definitive and thorough guide! Thank you.

 

Rafiq, There'll be no huge performance difference between the two, although i should point out that, possibly, alot of the 8600 gpu's are reported to have defective cores and are prone to failure after a certain amount of time. There are no reported problems of a similar occurance with the 9600's core so it might be the way to go.

 

When i was searching for an answer i get this comparison of graphic cards web page http://www.notebookcheck.net/Comparison-of-Graphic-Cards.130.0.html

And it's said that the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650 is better (36) than the NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GS (28). Both are a class 2 graphic card.

Or should i check the CPU performance too? If i have a less CPU (as example Intel� Core(TM)2 Duo Mobile vs PUMA chip or an Intel P8400) and an average GPU it would affect the performance of my pc game?

Thanks

 

There isn't a whole lot of performance to gain from going over 2.0 GHz with a mid-range card as the gpu will be the bottleneck most of the time.

 

ok so it resnobel to pay 300 dollars and get the 9600m gt and less ghz.?

 

Hey there.

I'm looking to buy a ATI based notebook soon (nVidia scared me off - well, not entirely. Still open to the possibility, but I can't work out whats 'safe') and I'm confused as to what GPU is considered better. Firstly, I'll state I have little knowledge of these tech related things, so be kind .

Basically, I want to get a laptop I can game on (I'm talking STALKER to WoW and possibly games like Dragon Age in future). Now, I always assume: the higher the number= the newer the card= the better the performance. Therefore I assumed the 3650 would be better. But, I started to check forums and I was getting a lot of conflicting infomation. http://www.notebookcheck.net also confused the hell out of me. So I'm wondering what is the better card? Furthermore, what is the best ATI GPU available fore gaming. I see the HD 3870 & HD 3850 aren't available yet, or the HD 4850. Is there an ATI card that is generally considered the best?

Thanks to anyone that can help.

 

the HD3650 is your best bet out of the 2.

It is basicly a 2600 XT only with DX10.1 support, Shader model 4.1 . Also it is build on a smaller procces (65nm vs 55nm) allowing higher clocks with lower voltage and power consumption this means alot less heat, something we like on notebooks . Also its improved in certain ways making it faster clock for clock

All in all the HD 3650 is a win win situation over the 2600XT

 

I'd go for the 3650, or the 3670 if they made one (I'm not sure they do). If you want to wait several more months you could go for a 4000 series or MAYBE a 3850 or 3870 if those ever get out the door (they should have been here months ago).

But between your two choices, I'd go for the 3650, all the way.

 

The 2600XT actually benchmarks slightly higher - but I would get the 3650. It is less power hungry, better with video, has DX10.1 support, and is within a frame or two in game performance.

 

Take Notebookcheck with a huge grain of salt. Other benchmarks /reviews aswell since they hardly ever tell you the resolution or what other programs they got running int he back (fresh windows xp or vista + laptop bloatware etc etc.)

 

the 2600XT definatly as it is GDDR3 while i think the 3650 is only GDDR2 (so far) . Since the 3650 is the sucessor of the hd2600 (not XT) I doubt it would even be as good as HD2700 (2600XT>HD2700>HD2600). The HD2600XT is a very strong card as it is slightly above the 8600GT and nearly in the reaches of the 8700M GT . Just because it is newer doesnt mean it is always better.

For example the 8700mGT is not as good as the previous generation 7950GTX.

DX10.1 and Shader model 4.1 should not sway your vote because to be honest only the very highest mobility chips can play DX10 games fluently so it shouldnt be what sways you. I have a hd2400xt and it supports DX10 but no way will it be able to play DX10 games

 

They are close enough so as to not make your purchasing decision based off those factors alone. Were you looking at any laptops in particular?

 

False.... my HD 3650 has DDR3. Id say most HD 3650 with dedicated memory have DDR3 atleast newer notebooks. Maybe not the older ones. Be sure to do some research on this first!

ATI has a technology called hyper memory where the card If needed could store textures in the normall ram aswell. Thing is that this hardly is ever needed.

Just because its newere it doesnt mean its better. No, ofcourse not.
The 2600XT might be better. But i havnt seen alot of notebooks with a 2600XT which actualy has a core of 700 mhz and isnt just a marketing gimmig. So be sure to check the mhz before just buying becasue it has an XT behind it.

 

Every DX10 cards have HyperMemory/Turbo Cache by the way. Most 3650 are DDR2.

 

Mhm, fair enough. Guess i was lucky then with the VAIO FW

 

If the speed is the same, get the one with the most features...obviously...

 

HD 2600XT is superior for gaming if that is your need.

 

how about the 512 HD2600 vs the 256mb HD3650??? ...or is the 2600XT and 2600 one of the same cards???

 

Hey Chaz great atricle.

Guys I need a little help, I've been thinking about getting an XPS1530 but decided I wanted a GFX card with a bit more grunt than 8600GT's on the Dells. now I'm tossing up between these two comps, and then I don't know if its worth forking out a bit extra to go for my dream comp (last) can anyone make some recommendations? I'm finding it really hard to decide!

Zepto Nox a15 - $2601.18 inc GST & delivery
(but if i decide to get this when i go to visit uk with current exchange rate I can get for AUD $2221.88)
http://au.zepto.com/Shop/Notebook.aspx?notebookid=1079
This thing just looks so cool... but don't know if coolness is worth money?

Intel C2 DUO P8600 2.40GHz
4 GB DDR2 PC6400 800MHZ
320GB 5400rpm SATA Harddisk
Zepto Zpro2 N-Standard (NBG)
DVD-RW / CD-RW SATA
Keyboard Orion/Nox US Black
Nox/Orion 6 Cell black
WSXGA+ 1680x1050 ZBD
NVIDIA® 9600M GT 512MB GDDR3
Digital microphone
Microsoft® Windows® Vista Home Premium 64 bit
HDMI out
Fingerprint reader

OR

Metabox JHL90 - $2054.00 inc GST & delivery
http://www.p4laptops.com.au/order-jhl90.htm

Intel C2 DUO T9400 2.53GHz
4GB DDR2 800Mhz
320GB 5400 rpm SATA
Mini PCI 802.11 ABGN
DVDRW Dual Layer
9 Cell battery
WSXGA+ 1680x1050
NVIDIA® 9600M GT 512MB GDDR2
Microsoft® Windows® Vista Home Premium 64 bit
HDMI out
Fingerprint reader

And then there's the Dream machine:

METABOX M860TU 9800 GT - $2909.00 inc GST & delivery
http://www.p4laptops.com.au/order-m860gt.htm
A little out of my budget but could stretch there - If its worth it

Intel C2 DUO P8400 2.26GHz
4GB DDR3 1066Mhz
320GB 7200 rpm SATA
Mini PCI 802.11 ABGN
DVDRW Dual Layer
8 Cell battery
WSXGA+ 1680x1050
NVIDIA® 9800M GT 512MB GDDR3
Microsoft® Windows® Vista Home Premium 64 bit
HDMI out
Fingerprint reader

So basically I wanted to know about the 9600M GT DDR2(metabox) and DDR3 (which Zepto offers) versions? How different are they performance wise?

And the 9800 GT DDR3 512 on the beast. Is it really worth paying an extra $700-800 more? How much better does it perform than the 9600M GT DDR3? cause from what I've been reading these DDR3 96's are pretty beastie themselves anyway.... like they would be able to run most games on full.

Help guys I need some expertise!

 

Hi Fillopastry,

The main difference between these 3 notebooks is the graphics card. The CPU's and RAM and hard disk speeds will all make differences but in terms of gaming the GPU is the largest factor in these three as the CPU, RAM and Hard disks are all good. The 9800M GT is about 3 times faster/more powerful than the 9600M. Read back through this forum a bit and you will see loads of "real world" guides to the performance of the 9600GT - ie people saying what res and what settings you can run a variety of games on/at using the 9600GT. The 9800M GT is significantly more powerful than the 9600GT however the 9600M GT will still play most games at lower resolution at very enjoyable settings with 30+ FPS. But that depends on how specific you are with your gaming requirements.

However long story short at 1680x1050 res the 9600GT "should" be more than enough in most circumstances so if money is an issue go for the JHL90 P4laptops one with the 9600GT. In your 15.4 inch WSXGA+ you have HEAPS of choice as that's the main arena for notebooks and at that low res you have a lot of video cards that can give you a good experience. Best bang for buck for you for sure.

I say p4laptops because obviously you are Australia and buying from overseas brings a lot of other issues such as GST, warranty and international shipping. Enjoy!

 

Hey leebaldock

Thanks a lot for the advice mate. It was very helpful. Can you tell me though what the performance difference is between the 9600M GT on the metabox (DDR2), and the 9600M GT on the Nox a15 (DDR3) is? The Nox is not that much more expensive (at UK prices), so I'm willing to get its card runs faster.

Thanks in advance,

fillo

 

Hi fillo,

Off the top of my head don't know however I'm sure that it's been asked and answered before in this thread.

 

Hi fillo,

Just did a quick search on this thread and came up with the following from PAGE 273 where people were discussing similar questions:

"the 9600gt ddr3 is slightly more powerful than the 8600gt ddr3. The same can be said for 9600gt ddr2 vs 8600gt ddr2 cards.

The differences comes out to be about ~5 real fps increase in game, which can make a difference in games where you're hovering around the barely playable line. But in most cases the differences wont be significant.

*Note the 9600 series consumes less heat, which makes them more over-clockable.

When it comes down to it, always pick 8600mgt ddr3(256) over 9600mgt ddr2 cards (even if its a 512mb card).
But pick 9600gt ddr3 over the older 8600 counterpart."

and then:


"Yeah, it is. WileyCoyote's got it right, there's just a slight misinterpretation issue here. Just to be sure there's no confusion, the order is, with the best coming first:

9600 GT DDR3
8600 GT DDR3
9600 GT DDR2
8600 GT DDR2"

Probably best to go back and have a bit of a read if the difference (which won't be that much) is an issue for you.

Good luck.

 

Hey leebaldock thats really helpful thanks for that.

I guess that rules out the METABOX JHL90 for me as it only has 9600M GT DDR2, which means it actually isn't the next level up on an DELL XPS 1530 (which come with 8600 GT DDR3), I was looking for.

I also found this out:
"The performance of the 9600M GT should be somewhere between the 9500M GS and the 8700M GT (depends if GDDR2 or GDDR3 memory chips are used)."
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9600M-GT.9449.0.html

although apparently you have to overclock to get this, something I'm not too confident about doing!

So I might wait to see what the 15" ZEPTO Hydras are like when they come out. Rumour has it they will ship with 9800M GT's or GTX's. Hopfully they might come in a bit cheaper than the METABOX M860TU, which I'm still a little hesitant about forking all that money out for.

Ahhh my brain hurts from all these numbers... I just wanna play games, but thankfully things are becoming a little clearer!

Many thanks mate

 

What about this one - ASUS G50V-A1

http://p4laptops.com.au/order-g50.htm

Looks pretty ace to me. Good price too. If I was going for a 15.4 inch again this is what I would get.

Asus G50V-A1. Intel Core 2 Duo T9400 Processors 2.53 Ghz 1066 FSB, 15.4" WSXGA+ (1680x1050) Glossy Display, 4GB DDR2 800Mhz RAM, 500G 5400RPM SATA HDD, Nvidia 9700M GT 512MB Dedicated VRAM, 10/100/1000 Ethernet, BGN WIFI + Bluetooth, 1.3MP Webcam, Fax Modem, 6 cell Battery, HDMI *1, eSATA*, Dual Layer DVDRW Combo Drive, 8-in-1 Card Reader/Express Card, Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit, 2YR Global Asus Warranty, Bag and Mouse

 

hey, i've read a significant portion of this thread and still cant decide on a computer. i'm looking at 1200 usd cap, and want to be able to play current fps games reasonably well. between the ati 3650 hd and gforce 9600 gs it seems to be about the same, right?

these are the two computers in particular that i'm considering. although, if i can find better for the price range i'd rather go with a different computer:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220337
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220340

am i right in assuming that 1gb of vram for either of these video cards is too much to for them to utilize?

thanks in advance for your time/help

 

hey bamit,

I know how hard it is to pick a new lapotop... I'm having trouble myself!

In my opinion I think you should go for the M50. The specs of both comps are both pretty much the same except the 9600M GS on the M50 slightly out-performs the Radeon card on the R8 laptop. You should read here:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9600M-GS.9450.0.html

Also, I've been reading threads here and there that people are finding compatibilty problems with ATI cards. Apparently a few games out there work better and like Nvidia cards better. I'm not sure how true this is but its something you might want to look into.

Gee, I wish us aussies could get the same prices you are getting in the states, both those laptops are really good value for money.

Hope this helps.

 

The 9600m GS does not outperform the 3650, it's the other way around. The 9600m GT is arguably better.
And alot of Nvidia's cards are turning out to be faulty No compatibility issues with ATI cards, where did you find all of this information fillo Hopefully not here

Some games(crysis) might work better with some Nvidia cards in sli over ATI's crossfire but that's down to drivers atm.

 

Nvidia's cards turning out to be faulty are G84 and G86 chips based.
So the 9600 serie has nothing to fear.
However 9500 serie, based on the same G84 as the 8600 for instance, could be faulty.

 

Well, if anyone is looking for a cheap gaming PC, check out the Toshiba Qosmio x305. I have it, and it is quite amazing for the price. Just to let you know, it is a Best Buy exclusive.

 

The new Gateway p-7811 is an absolutely awesome buy. It has a 9800m GTS in it and only cost $1450.(Best Buy exclusive as well)

 

Hello
i want to know which one is better ?
their power consumption , heat , performance
what are their problems ?
i've heard those nVIDIA 8400m & 8600m had some kinda problem what about ATI ones ?
and i'd like to see some benchmarks of both GPUs

Thanks in advance

 

those Nvidia GPUs are reported to be Faulty, this means that they could POSSIBLY have issues with heat and getting rid of it. while the Ati 3000 series reported to be fine, If you are asking me, id rather get an ATI card than Nvidia Card because of those problems popping out about the Nvidia GPUs,

 

9000 series > 3000 series.

As far as the faulty card bit, if you don't see mile long topics here on NBR, in which fellow members are venting about their NV cards going bad, it's a safe bet that there is no issue.

 

Cant see how you can say that about a whole series. Low end graphics is better @ the ATi side. High end better at Nvidia. Mid end (9500GS) id say ATi when you OC a little bit (much lower temps). Mid end doesnt realy matter.

 

Thanks for reply

prove it... i'd like to see some benchmarks
however beside performance power consumption & heat are important too

 

well 9800 GTX easily beats any 3000 series card...

 

Screw infinite loops

 

Wow ... it's not even close ... the nvidia 9 series utterly dominates the ATI 3000 series (I am glad that ATI finally got their act together this time for the 4000 series) ... the ATI 3850 and 3870 get beat by the mid range 9600 GT, so once you get to the 9800's it isn't even close ... benchmarks are here ... happy reading.

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/nvidia_geforce_9600_gt_performance/page4.asp

Personally, I wouldn't even bother with the ATI 3000 series of cards ... just go for something like the new ATI 4850, they are around $150 and are better than both the ATI 3000 and nvidia 9 series of cards.

 

emm i meant mobile ones ...
i know that 4000>=9000>8000>3000 !

 

mobile ones, 9000>3000

still

 

how do you know that? the high end ATI chips are not even out yet, or have not even been reviewed, notebookcheck sucks and doesnt count.

Considering the 9000 series is just a refresh with slightly mild OC's, i dont see how you can just assume that they will wipe the board with these "new" cards.

And if your going by the desktop equvilant cards, the mobile and desktop cards are not really the same cards, dramatic power and heat reductions are required, making a much less powerful chip, again meaning they are not really the same after all.

ATI could *potentially* make a faster chip that consumes less power and makes less heat because they are on the 55nm porccess, but they have not really ever taken advantage of that.