UPDATED - The Mobile Graphics Card Info Page - Most GPU Qs answered

Any idea where the Nvidia GeForce Go 6150 ranks on the list?

Thanks.

 

Should be around the X200M, but there are no benchmarks for the Go6150, and that is why it is not on the list.

 

hi all,
i am about to buy a laptop and ive come across 2 really nice Fujitsu laptops, they are very similar, but the graphics cards are differerent. One has the Ati mobility radeon x700 and the other the ati mobility radeon x1400.
They both have 512 MB hypermemory, with 128 MB dedicated. Ive have read the sticky on this forum about all the graphic cards and it seems like the x700 is slightly better, but id would like that some of you experts bring some light to my tunnel and tell me if there is a lot of difference, or if it is just a slight difference that I wont notice when playing games.
By the way, are these Graphic cards any good? are they ok?

thanks

 

the X700 is much more powerful than the X1400.because the x1400 is only a replacement of the x600 which is a replacement for the Mobility Radeon 9700. (the replacement for the x700 is the x1600)

 

Please read the stickies before you post:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=39568

This thread will be merged with that one shortly.

 

Hello again,

I posted my dilemma earlier in this thread and I have a new question.

If the Sager 5320 included an X700 with 256mb dedicated and the upcoming 5750 includes an X1600 with 128mb dedicated, how much do I lose or gain in graphics performance by accepting the X1600? Keep in mind that I plan to have 2mb of RAM to help with "HyperMemory", if that even matters.

Also....

Reading through other threads it sounds like there are some newer Acer computers that have hit the market with the x1600 128mb. Does anyone know which models that card comes with? I would like to search for some benchmarks/reviews to help my cause.

Thanks,
TONGTONK

EDIT: I have been finding more and more threads concerning this issue and most of my questions are being answered. Acer benchmarks for the x1600 128 are not looking too good. Hopefully a better built Sager will improve on that. I would welcome opinions about x700 256mb VS. x1600 128mb to remain. I apologize for repeating anything found in other threads.

 

I haven't heard much about the 128MB X1600; it has much worse scores than the X1600 256MB. I am not sure of the memory type of the 128MB version, but it could be scoring signifigantly less because it has slower DDR memory, rather than the high-speed GDDR3 in the 256MB versions. The clocks would also be lower as a result.

Regardless, the X1600 will be faster than the X700 by a noticable amount, whether it has 128 or 256MB of memory. Benchmarks are just that - benchmarks. They don't mean anything in terms of real world gaming. I would pay more attention to what people are saying about the gaming capabilities of the 128MB X1600 than the 3DMark scores.

 

i agree with chazman.

benchmarks are just a way to check one piece of hardware against another on a basic standard.

kind of like if you have 10 people standing in a row, and you ask each of them to lift 10lb dumbells as many times as they can. well the stronger people will lift more times than the weak ones...............get it? no?

 

i have a question
Will the Go 7600 with 512MB delicated better then the Ati X1600
I heard some say it better, some say it not.
Im reading the spec of the 2 and i still dont know
The 7600 is 128Mbit, i dont know the X1600
If u guy know please tell me, thx

 

Neither the Go7600 or X1600 can use 256MB of dedicated memory fully, let alone 512MB. Given a choice though, definitely go for the 512MB. It probably won't provide any performance boost in regular games, but there are some games out there that require 512MB of VRAM on the highest settings, such as Doom 3/Quake 4 on Ultra Quality settings.

 

Where would the Radeon 7000 be in that list?

 

The Radeon 7000 is ancient enough that I neglected to include it. It'd fall under the Nvidia GeForce 440Go, probably closer to the GMA900.

 

When I am customizing the dv5000, i see that the highest graphics option is 128 mb geforce go 7400. Is this the same one as the 256 mb geforce go 7400?

Is the 128 mb gefroce go better than the x1400 ( since the x1400 is 256 mb).?

Any other hp models offer a better graphics, other than the nc8430?

 

That's detailed in the stickies:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=39568

I'm merging this thread with that to avoid forum clutter.

 

Just a quick question: How much more powerful is the MR X1800 aginst the MR X1600 and go 7600, which are very similar in performance.

According to the chart here it would seem to be quite a bit more powerful. And would you say I could get about 4-5 years use out of it i.e playing those future games at mid settings whereas the x1600/go7600 at low settings.

Overall I just want to know the jump in performance. Thanks

 

Please ask all questions that have to do with video card comparisons in that thread for future reference, this thread is going to be merged with it shortly.

You're not going to get 4-5 years of gaming out of any computer, especially now with DirectX 10 on the horizon (Q1 2007). Once that is introduced, we'll see DirectX 9 on the fall. How long game developers will continue to make DX9 games is unknown, but I'd imagine a good amount of time because everyone will not be upgrading to DX10 hardware right away.

 

Sorry about that.

Thanks for the heads-up, but I still don't know how much more powerful the x1800 is in comparison to the x1600/go7600.

 

The X1600 can get about 4000 points in 3DMark - the X1800 is much more powerful, hard to say by what percentage though. I'd estimate around 40-60 percent roughly.

 

Woah thats quite a margin and it now looks like that Zepto I've been mulling over for an eternity is now second fiddle.

Thanks ChazMan

 

Like I said, they are rough estimates, but if the X1800 gets about 6500-7000 in 3DMark05, and the Go7600 manages about 3600, there's your difference.

 

Chaz,

In your opinion can the x1600 run much more than a 15.4" WXGA? I've heard from users that their S96Js can basically run anything at max settings with the x1600, but that it seems to be somewhat pushing it at some points in the really taxing games. They speculate that the Z96Js screen may be too much for the card to run the heavy games like FEAR or Oblivion.

Just wondering on what you think about this especially since you have an x700 with 15.4 WSXGA. Also do you think the x1600 is sufficient for the SAGER NP 5750's 17" WXGA?

EDIT: I have more settings-happy-gaming use in mind than regular day use to give my questions better context.

 

I run a lot of games at 1280x1024 or 1680x1050 on my X700 256MB, and given that the X1600 has a sizeable performance lead over the card I have, it can definitely run a lot of games at a higher than WXGA resolution.
There are some exceptions of course, such as FEAR and Oblivion, but you'll be able to enjoy a lot of games at a higher resolution. An X1600 would be a great match for a WXGA+ display.
I'm not sure of the video performance yet of the NP5750, so I can't comment on its performance. Given that it has an X1600 though, it should be in line with other laptops of similar specs.
Edit: The reason I'm not sure of the 5750's performance is because it has 128MB of dedicated video memory, and it doesn't say what type (DDR, GDDR3). I'd wait until you have performance benchmarks before buying.

 

Thanks Chaz! That answers some questions that have been dancing around in my head lately!

 

Ah yes, I keep forgetting about the 128MB part on the 5750! Thanks for the reminder!

 

Chaz (or anyone knowledgeable), I'm curious: can I find anything more powerful than an x1600 in a 15.4" or smaller laptop? I'm considering the Asus Z96j, the Asus W3j, the HP nc8430, and possibly that Crown Model you recommended from powernotebooks.com. I am entering into college and expecting to need a portable laptop with powerful gaming capabilities that will last me 3-4 years. For a complete list of specifications, check out my earlier post.

Which of the above would you suggest, if not something else?

(They're all configured thus:
15.4"
100gb 7,200 rpm HD
2 gb Corsair RAM (if asus; I'll upgrade the hp myself)
ati MR x1600 video card
Bluetooth capable
3 yr parts/labor warranty
built-in wireless)

Thanks, Dan

 

Hi Dan,the X1600/Go7600 are as fast as it gets in a 15.4" or less notebook; more powerful cards such as the Radeon X1800 and Go7800/Go7900 will only be found in 17"s.
I'd go with the Crown 15:2 (Compal HEL8-0) because it looks great, has better quality than the Asus, and has a nicer feature set. The Asus is a nice machine, but I'd choose the Compal for those reasons.

Very nice configuration, 2GB of RAM will come in handy for gaming.

Chaz

 

Yes 2 Gb is the minimum these days if you are a gamer. If you like to play Oblivion, FEAR or BF2, 2 GB is ideal. If you have the budget, go for 2GB.

Charlie

 

Thanks for the clarification!

The HP nc8430 claims it's upgradeable to 4 gb of RAM; unfortunately, I can't find any single 2 gb chips. Would a laptop have 4 RAM slots, or is HP just preparing for the day when 2gb chips are released?

As a side note, I've seen Corsair advertising 800mhz RAM chips. Will these run in the Crown 15:2 (Compal HEL8-0)/HP nc8430/Asus Z96j? Dealers don't seem to allow configurations other than 533mhz or 667mhz.

I'll also repost this under the "Hardware Components and Aftermarket Upgrades" forum. Thanks for the help ya'll.

Dan

 

The 4GB of total RAM is achieved by 2 x 2GB sticks. They are near impossible to find right now and cost a fortune. In a few months, we'll see them become more available I would hope, in addition to the price going down.

Unfortunately no, the motherboard doesn't support it. You couldn't use DDR2-800 even if it did exist for laptops because your front-side bus speed is only 667MHz.

 

Ok, I remember seeing this somewhere in this thread, but what are the tech specs of the nVidia Go7900GS in the Dell Inspiron E1705? thx.

 

According to Meaker's Charts:

 

When ya recommend the X1600 over the X700, you might wanna put in a warning that driver support isn't what it should be. Especially for DirectX 9, which I can't get working on mine. =(

 

Nvidia Go 7900 GS > Nvidia Go 7800 GTX

 

Actually, it's not. The Go7900GS is getting around 6200-6500 points in 3DMark05 stock. The Go7800GTX breaks 7000.

 

I should clarify my statement.

If you overclock both cards, the 7900 GS has a huge advantage in how cool it runs and can be overclocked safely to clocks that result in scores in the high-8000s to low-9000s in 3DMark05 and the high-4000s to low-5000s in 3Dmark06.

The 7800 GTX, can't keep up, even if you overclock it to the max.

Tons of benchmarks in my signature.

 

This guide's scores are based on non-overclocked speeds, but I have little doubt the Go7900GS would be faster overclocked. Your benchmarks are impressive.

 

One question, I think the question belongs to this thread.

I have played Splintercell 3: Chaos Theory and it looks amazing! I saw an option: Shadermodel 1.1/3. I wonder if the X1800 mobility supports Shadermodel 3 and HDR (for Oblivion)?

Charlie

 

All ATI Radeon X1000 series video cards support Shader Model 3.0. They can do HDR in Oblivion, yessir.

 

Thanks Chaz!

Anyone noticed when configuring the newest XPS M2010 you have an option called Cables. When clicking on that you see 256 MB X1800 for 476 euro's. I dont understand this, how can you have a X1800 connected with a cable? Is this Crossfire?

Charlie

 

Hey i think this is the right place. Um im a real rookie when it comes to graphics cards and such. Im thinking about getting a laptop that has an ATI radeon (ithink) 200m card. the laptop is going to have an AMD Turion 64 processor. Does anyone of you know if this card will be able to let me play recent games like half life 2, battle for middle earth, star wars galaxies?

Even Elder Scroll IV Oblivion? I know thats a serious game.

If its not that good, can you guys suggest any other graphics cards that are not expensive that i can upgraded it to? Im a college student on a budget thats why.

Any Help, Boy will i appreciate any.

 

Take a look at this thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=26318

Chaz

 

Does this list also work for desktop gpu's?

 

To an extent, yes. However, in the mobile arena we don't have a bunch of variants of each card. Take for example the Radeon X700 - in the desktop you have the X700 stock, X700PRO, X700XT. In laptops, there's normally only one version of each card, and in the case of the X700, that's the Mobility Radeon X700.

It's harder to rank desktop GPUs as well, since different manufacturers ship it with sometimes very different clock speeds.

 

Chaz is right, desktop videocards are much harder to rank.

For example: You have the X800 series. The versions are GT, GTO, GTO2, Pro, XT, XL... All different versions and different ranks.

Charlie

 

I've seen a couple of MSI turion x2 notebooks on google and they say they have ATI® UMA ATI® RS485M 128MB as the integrated graphics. However, I do not see this on ATI's website - they only have 200M and 1100M as integrated graphics. Does anyone have any details on this? How would it rank?

 

Those MSI notebooks have the ATI Radeon Xpress 1150 chipset; the graphics are about 33% faster than the X200M.

 

Update 6/21/06 - added the Nvidia GeForce Go6150 and the Radeon Xpress 1150 in the chart. I used 3DMark03 benchmarks to place them. The X200M and Go6150 are very close, the X200M being slightly faster. The X1150 is ahead of them both.

Chaz

 

Interesting, the X1150. Thats the X200M of the TurionX2, isnt it? Good to see that integrated chips are getting stronger.

Charlie

 

Actually the X1150 is the upgraded version of the X200M, but you are correct in saying it is for the Turion X2.

 

Thanks Chaz. Fast answer too! This is a really great thread.