UPDATED - The Mobile Graphics Card Info Page - Most GPU Qs answered

The HD3650 is slightly weaker than the 9600M GT, but the difference is quite negligible. It'll depend on the game to see which one performs better.

 

» GeForce GTX 280M SLI
» Mobility Radeon HD 4870 X2
» GeForce 9800M GTX SLI
» GeForce GTX 280M
» GeForce 9800M GT SLI
» GeForce 9800M GTS SLI
» Mobility Radeon HD 3870 X2
» GeForce 8800M GTX SLI
» Mobility Radeon HD 3850 X2
» Quadro FX 3700M
» Mobility Radeon HD 4870
» GeForce GTX 260M
» GeForce 9800M GTX

ok this is in order from notebook check i know they suck ... but what do you think it it in order most powerful to weakest? for me .... its


» Mobility Radeon HD 3870 X2
» GeForce GTX 280M SLI
» Mobility Radeon HD 4870 X2
» GeForce 9800M GTX SLI
» GeForce GTX 280M
» GeForce 9800M GT SLI»
» GeForce 9800M GTS SLI
» GeForce 8800M GTX SLI
» Mobility Radeon HD 3850 X2
» Quadro FX 3700M
» Mobility Radeon HD 4870
» GeForce GTX 260M
» GeForce 9800M GTX



hopefully will be a debate, this is for sheer boredom

 

Radeon 3870 x2 beating out a Radeon 4870 x2 system? Have some common sense

 

Geforce will be always better than Radeon because they got better driver support out there..unless ATI work out the driver for new radeons..Nvdia will be champs.

 

ATi driver support seems pretty decent at least with desktop cards, and even still you have games that just tend to favor Nvidia GPUs.

 

When I had 9800gts on 7811, I had hard time keeping up with all the new drivers and modded drivers from dox & Xfastest.. on the Ati, it's different story however.. Driver support for Nvdia is lot better than Ati for sure..

 

not when you have E-wrecked on your side and we have had 5 new drivers this year alone ...... not to mention the beta for win 7 and the 9.4 mobility non mob moded ... been doing well at least better then normal .....right now i dont care about drivers because i still can run max but once i start needing to optimize i will start to worry

 

The problem with community provided drivers is that they can disappear in a flash. Want a good example? NHC (yeah, not a driver I know, but it illustrates my point well).

 

well ... my list would be like this:
» Mobility Radeon HD 4870 X2 ... with DDR5
» GeForce GTX 280M SLI
» GeForce 9800M GTX SLI
» GeForce 9800M GT SLI
» GeForce 9800M GTS SLI
» Mobility Radeon HD 3870 X2
» GeForce 8800M GTX SLI
» Mobility Radeon HD 4870 with DDR5
» GeForce GTX 280M
» Mobility Radeon HD 3850 X2
» Quadro FX 3700M
» GeForce GTX 260M
» GeForce 9800M GTX

 

Any list that puts the 8800M GTX and 9800M GT on different levels is immediately disqualified.

 

Firstly, DO NOT take the stuff at NotebookCheck to be fully accurate and dependable.

Secondly, there is already the GPU Guide. So this thread should merge there.... as opinion.

Thirdly, do not use 3DMark scores as the only determining factor for gaming performance.

 

Games are also CPU dependant, some more and some less. Even 3DMark scores are CPU dependant.

So which other way of determining gaming performance should we take into account. Isn't 3DMark the closest one?

 

Both the notebookcheck list and the 3Dmark scores are good to determine roughly how good your system is. For example, if my GPU scores 1800 3Dmarks (never tried it but should be around that) and yours scores 4000, it is clear yours is better (but I'm prettier!!).

If the cards are close on the list or on 3Dmarks, then they are mostly equivalent. Honestly, would you really mind having 61 FPS instead of 62?

 

Can anyone tell me the performance difference between a 9800m GTS and an ATI 4850? Until now, I still hadn't seen anything from the 4850?

BTW, they say the difference between a 9800m GTS and a GT isn't that big, in fact I once saw a benchmark chart showing that the difference was 10%, I've been gaming with the 9800m GTS for quite some time now, am satisfied with it, but still, is there really a gap in between?

 

I'd like to ask how these GPUs fare against each other:

- ATI HD4570
- ATI HD3450
- ATI HD2600

They're from 3 different generations and basically touch the low end(except the HD2600 which was middle class back in its day), so I'd like to know which of these is the best, the worst and if the difference between them is noticeable.

 

Actual gaming benchmarks are better, but there are so many different games, with different GPU and CPU pendendance... In a Spanish forum we are trying to compile some benchmarks for Crysis, Devil May Cry 4, World in Conflict and X3: Terran Conflict. In 1 week we have only 3 laptops tested until now, but that's better than nothing

Anybody can contribute.

 

Haha Good one!

 

Does anyone have any idea concerning the GPUs I listed? I mean, ATI confirms the HD4570 should be substantially better than their previous HD3450/3470, but I'd doubt any marketing info they put out lol

Also, I'm concerned with how it compares to the HD2600 form 2 generations ago. I mean, the HD2600 is a 128bit bus GPU so I'd expect it to perform much better due to higher memory bandwidth, but idk if some changes in the architecture or efficiency of the HD4xxx series might've put them closer than I think.

 

Where would the nVidia Geforce 200 series lie in the big scheme of things? I don't see the GTX 260M or GTX 150M, for example.

 

For one, the GT160M should be right around a 9800M GTS score, since it is almost exactly the same card with the same clocks. It should end up more efficient (and maybe more overclockable) though. I think the GT260M is around a 9800M GTX, but I'm not sure which side of it it falls on.

 

What about the 280M or the 285M?

 

280 > 260 > Gtx > Gt > 160 > Gts

 

Which processor would a GTX 260m begin to bottleneck at and what would make it afford ably virtually impossible to bottleneck

 

I think a Q9000 is the ideal processor for the GTX 260M, but even a P9600 will suffice for an avid gamer.

 

I've been looking for a new laptop, and so far I think the best laptop for my budget would be the OCZ Force Extreme 840, but recently I was told that the Sager 5797 is going to be the fastest 17'' notebook. Well... if you did a side by side comparison with the exact same specs (excluding graphics cards) which one would be faster? So I feel that it essentially comes down to the video card, if I am wrong about that then correct me and say which comp would be faster, but if I am right, which video card is better? The following are the specs I would have in each comp. I am also building both of the systems on xoticpc.com if that helps at all.

OCZ FORCE EXTREME 840
17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
Intel® P9600 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.66GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt
CROSSFIRE ATI HD3870 (2) 512MB (1,024MB Total) PCI-Express DDR3 DX10
4,096MB (2 SODIMMS) DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory
250GB 7200RPM WD or Seagate (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s)
No Back Up Hard Drive

Sager NP5797 Custom Notebook
17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
Intel® P9600 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.66GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt
nVidia GeForce GTX 280M 1,024MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10
4,096MB DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory (2 SODIMMS)
4GB Intel® Robson Turbo Memory II
250GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300)

 

two high-end cards will beat a single high-end card.

... and NO, the amount of video memory does not mean anything really, since the GPU will still be the most important factor in gaming performance

thats pretty much it.

but the single videocard systems are a bit more portable.

 

How would a stock P8600 do?

 

Whitebook would whip it

 

So the 3870 is still considered a high end card even though there is a new series out?

 

in crossfire it can still hold up. but we haven't seen any real reviews on the 280m.

 

Just fine. The correct answer is that, while the GPU will benefit from faster CPUs, it still isn't fast enough to be slowed down by the P8600.

On second thought, I really see the P9600 as a waste of money. It's only 10% faster than the P8600, so any game that too much for one will be the same for the other. the P9600 is really looking like the middle ground of fail.

That's why I'd either stick with the P8600 or make the leap to the Q9000. In a multi-threaded game the Q9000 will massacre the P9600 and P8600 alike, and even if a game only takes advantage of two cores @ 2Ghz, it still won't bottleneck the GTX 260M.

So you'll be fine with the P8600, but if you do upgrade, skip the P9600.

 

I just found this while searching, its a benchmark list, and it shows the 280m at a higher rating/ranking then the crossfire 3870's. This is really annoying, I want the Whitebook, because its sexy and good, but if the 5797 is better spec wise, I would rather have that.

Original Article About GTX 280m
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-280M-Review.14565.0.html
Benchmark List
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html

 

Does anybody know for sure that the GTX 280M is better for gaming then Mobility Radeon HD 3870 X2

 

So, is the entirety of the Nvidia 9xxx series just fixed versions of the 8xxx series? According to the website with the benchmarks, my Nvidia 7700 Go is comparable to a 8600, without the direct X 10 support. Am I missing something?

 

We won't know for sure until we compare. Here's an FC2 ultra high 1680 x 1050 DX10 bench, ranch-long, on my stable OC'd 280. If someone's got a 2.4-2.8 ghz duo rig to compare with, that'd be perfect...

 

i dont have the game ....

 

oh man some pm me this page and tonight when i am on my computer i will bench it. i have other's benchmarks in dual core mode i will see if i can find it.

 

Here it is:


Bottom line is that there is no single notebook chip that can beat two 256-bit cards in SLI/Crossfire.

 

What CPU? FC2 is very CPU friendly

Honestly I'm closer than I expected. I knew CF would run at least the same frames at WUXGA, but that's not much faster

 

i ran it at a higher resolution then you did and i ran it at stock 2.53ghz dual core. i can run one more but tell me the settings you are running. what other games you have except for crysis. that game doesn't doesnt utilize crossfire. i got higher fps running one card with my t9400 then with my quad at 3.2ghz.


dmc4 is a very gpu dependent benchmark. it doesn't care for your cpu one bit. also left for dead is very good. and i can't think of any others.

i am at my computer. i am going to un raid it and then we can run some benchmarks. what other games you have.

 

Here's DMC4

L4D has a bench? I own it

 

here is my old t9400 i had it saved
http://i41.tinypic.com/acbhvc.jpg

here is my qx9300 to show that it doesn't matter the gpu.
http://i41.tinypic.com/9baafl.jpg
and then i am going to run it again at your res

 

sorry for the double post i am on my phone. but my scores are
120.94
99.93
144.67
94.37

you gpu is a very good single gpu don't get my wrong.

 

Hmm, tried again with a better driver, got even better results. I'm assuming you're using "super high" in-game settings? And I don't mind nipping at the heels of a high end dual gpu setup

116.72
84.75
143.99
84.86

 

of course i am.

that is a very good score. i would have to roll back my driver and overclock my gpu's to challenge that.

 

So you two pretty much just proved that crossfire 3870's are faster (even by just a little) than a GTX 280m?

 

here it is overclocked

 

yeah crossfire is faster then the 280m but if we had the same cpu it would be more better to judge.

 

What's your vantage GPU score (overclocked)?

 

let me upload them but for those you are better getting someone else because i still have to fix my stutter problem. i have to reformat my os. i know what is causing the problem.