Will ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M play...

Hi,

If you check back over the last few pages I too had problems running games on the X200 chipset, and I had a gig of ram. 512Mb is plenty of ram for a game like Darwinia, even taking into account the memory taken by your X200.

Are your sympthons low FPS regardless of the actual graphics settings? I, for instance, ran Medal of Honor Allied Assault on my X200 - with the following results:

1024x768, maxed out settings - 20fps
640x400, lowest settings - 21fps

So as you can see, there is a fundemental problem with the X200 somewhere with regards to openGL games. I was able to run Battlefield 2 on low settings at about 40fps, but yet couldn't run 6 year old openGL based titles above 20fps on low settings. I don't know, maybe it's just certain X200s care affected, because only a few people have this problem. Searching through this thread will reveal a few people with the same problems I experienced, a problem which there is no apparent solution for. Updating drivers did not work, nor did using faster RAM.

Again, it only happens to a few people, but this is why I would never recommmend the X200 to anybody, not even for playing older titles, at the risk of getting one of these what appear to be somewhat 'dud' cards. This problem is not occurant in the newer X1100 and X1150 chipsets by the way, and I even have a friend with a shared X200 and the same speed Ram I had, and it works fine. Go figure, just plain unreliability.

Good luck anyway...

 

Thanks for your replies guys! I did think that my ram might be the problem, but by the same token it should be more then enough, as you said, to run darwinia. The other 3d games i tried were Shogun, allied assault and Star Wars Republic Commando. Shogun, and any 2d games (Baldurs gate) run absolutely fine, but that's to be expected. As you say, the other 3 run terribly and switching settings seems to make no difference. By the sounds of things you are getting much higher FPS then me though, 20-30 FPs is often more then playable, where as my experience has been unplayable FPS; i'm estimating less then 10. I'll try a few more games and see if there is this incongruous element you speak of, where game of equel demand run drastically different.

If this problem you speak of really is just the fact of the matter... well then i'm both miffed and quite angry. Especially seeing as from what i know it's impossible to upgrade/replace laptop GFX cards?!

 

I was lucky enough that the guy in my local store had a decent knowledge of graphics and was familiar with the theoretical performance of the X200, and took the laptop back when I returned it with said fault of openGL problems. God knows what would have happened if I'd gotten one of the usual clueless guys...

 

So the vast difference in performance between various 3D games on an x200m can be attributed to openGL?

Would figure!

 

No, because some people can run OpenGL games fine. But I tested a variety of D3d titles ranging from 2002 to 2006 - all worked exactly as you'd expect them to, i.e older games ran at maxed out settings, newerst like bf2 ran at low settings.

With openGL, even games from 2001, like Moh, ran the exact same on high or low settings, basically unplayable.

But again, some people do not have this problem - my friend has an x200 shared with a Sempron processor and cheap ddr memory and can run games like soldier of fortune 2 and call of duty fine on high settings.

 

Im very sorry to "bump" this topic, but I found it on Google.

So Im looking at laptops and me, being very un-technical in this part of computers, didn't know what to do. So I just have a question:

Will World of Warcraft run on this

* Intel® Celeron® M Processor 420 [1.60GHz, 1MB L2, 533MHz FSB]
* Confi gured with 512MB PC4200 DDR2 SDRAM (both memory slots may be occupied)
* 80GB (5400 RPM) Serial-ATA (SATA) hard disk drive
* CD-RW/DVD-ROM
* 14.1" diagonal widescreen TruBrite™ TFT active-matrix LCD display at 1280x800 native resolution (WXGA)
* ATI Radeon® Xpress 200M 64MB shared graphics memory
* Atheros® 802.11b/g wireless-LAN5
* RGB (monitor) output port, S-Video output port, Microphone input port, Headphone output port, USB v2.0 ? 4 ports, RJ-45 LAN port, RJ-11 modem port
* Genuine Windows® XP Media Center Edition

 

I got this New Toshiba A100 for gaming. I use it not very much as I don't have time for it but I have tried decent games on it. Like I said BF2 Does play on it very well ( mind though that there is a WIDESCREEN being used to output the displays ). I am with 'FISHY' about the A100 its a decent laptop for its price. I might not be as good as the Nvidia 6 series\7 series but I remember the 5 Series Geforces and they play most decent games on 800x600\1024x768 on MED-HI settings.

SO PLEASE STOP DISSING THE ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M



Toshiba Satellite Pro A100
Intel Celeron D 1.4Ghz 400Mhz FSB L2 Cache 1MB
256Mb PC4200 533Mhz
128Vram ATI Radeon Xpress200m
15.4" WXGA 'Trubrite'
2.7Kg

 

hmm....
i have seen this long time now.
well i know ati 200m sucks compare to other cards..
(like it's little behind than intel's)
but i can handle most of games
my computer can handle these games:
battlefield 2
company of heroes (low)
call of duty (high)
civillization 4 (low)
counter strike (medium)
and so on
its based on the demos though...
P.S. i could not post the frame rates since i don't know how to find them and i would like o post my computer system but i don't know how. can somebody tell me?

 

There's a utility called FRAPS which you can use to monitor your framerates. Ideally, you want 30+ FPS, although with an integrated GPU, 25+ would probably be acceptable, given that you can't expect much performance out of them.
http://www.fraps.com/

 

It sounds to me like a utility that constantly showed your fps would slow down your system a tad.

On big powerful systems that may not matter, but on integrated, I'd honestly be afraid

 

Thank you for reply^^
i do have another question but i ll ask later

 

I was wondering can my AtI 200M Radeon play Guildwars. I have a Celeron M Procersor 1.6ghz. I have 512MB of Ram. 80 gb od hard drive.

 

of course ati 200m can handle it. it can even handle company of heroes. but i don't know about your system can handle it

 

It's a toshiba L35
With 64 dedicated to the graphics card can I increase the dedication of ram on this computer.
?????????????

 

Guild Wars will run fine on the X200.

 

Dedicated RAM on a video card cannot be changed, so no. Are you sure the memory is dedicated on your X200M? It may just be shared.

 

Its dedicated

 

Would this be able to play Madden 2007 at a high level?

 

Halo runs pretty good on this chipset, but it's sort of laggy.

 

ahhh i need to know the answer to this, will it run madden 07 on a high level? i need to make a decision on a laptop very soon.

 

nope, unless you like lag

 

Certainly not on a high level in any case, sports games are usually relatively un-demanding but the X200m is a pretty poor performer in current games, and does not run certain games. I'd be expecting it to only run Madden 07 on low most likely, to some medium settings - at best.

 

Yes it will run madden 2007 i run it on my dv5000z runs as fast as my pc with a overclocked [email protected] with a geforce 6800. Madden has been using the same graps engine sence 2000 so its not real demanding the laptop runs diablo 2 lord of the rings and cs sourse good also just turn bloom off on cs.

 

but will it run on high?

 

mine is on high at 1024 i thk or 1280 it looks nicer on the x200m then the 6800 to its wierd. I only played 1 or 2 games on laptop but it didnt jump at all. Heck cs dont jump on me with 16 bots i have the x200m with 128meg of dedicated and shared 128megs to it. dv 5000z amd 64 tur 2.2ghz 1gig of ram.

 

ah, so you have the good x200m with 128mb dedicated.

lucky for you

some manufactures don't mention how much is dedicated and they try to sell you the non dedicated version which makes a noticeable difference in games. dedicated vram > shared ram

 

Wish I had deicated!

 

ya it has 128meg dedi and i shared it 128 so it has 256 total. Surpised me it runs cs good surpised my friend to he has a x700 and i was running as smooth as him. Same settings

 

Well i have 64 dedicated ram so can i run guild wars good on medium settings.

 

I don't have any dedicated

Mine can take up to 256mb from system tho. Will need more system ram for that tho.

 

You shold'nt have to worry too much, the 200m isnt fast enough to borrow up the extra 128mb by much.

 

If you were to play at high resolutions, at high settings and recording the FPS, the X700 would absolutely trounce the X200 though, as you might guess from the series titles the X700 is literally 3 times the performer that the x200 is.

 

Can you answer my question please.

Will guild wars run on medium settings good with a x200 with 64 dedicated
would add 512 ram to get 128 dedicated if it didnt.

 

What notebook do you have? You can't increase or decrease the amount of dedicated video memory that is in your laptop.

Guild Wars runs on just about anything; you won't have any problems running it with a Radeon X200M.

 

probly can use hdr and bloom to x200 cant to slow if thats turned on without it plays ok i thk most settigns are on high few on meduim might have to look.

 

I already stated my systema few pages back...here it is
Tosiba satellite l35
Celeron M
1.6 mhz
512 ram
80gb hard drive
x200 64m of ram is dedicated.


can i just get a yes or no answer can guild wars run on this on medium settings.

 

oh about the ram thing if i add 512 ram my graphics card will take 64 from that thus making the total dedicated 128

 

It should be fine theoretically, however, I've never played the game on an X200, so I can't confirm that decisively. Have some patience, if somebody here has played Guild Wars on their X200, they will post. No need to be rude.

 

Oh great! That feature is useless then! Maybe I should trade this in for that Pink Advent...

 

Sorry I didnt think I was rude.
I just really want to know before I buy the game.

 

WoW runs pretty well on the x200m, got everything on medium or full apart from AF which is on as low as poss. That's 1024*768. Looks really good too, probably around 25fps. Very playable.

Edit: make that around 20fps outside with draw distance between medium and low

 

would quake 4 work?
i know that demo version 1.05 doesn;t work
so.. would demo version 1.04 work on ati 200m?

 

doubtful if later ver demo dont earyer ver probly wont either

 

Hello I got a big problem with my x200 card . When I'm running cs 1.6 my screen show just the half o the screen ... screen shots are below

My laptop SPECS are:
CPU:AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+
CPU speed:2.39 GHz Performance Rated at 3.80 GHz
System RAM:1022.5 MB
Video Card:ATI MOBILITY RADEON XPRESS 200(Omega 3.8.231) driver version 6.14.10.6601
-Video RAM:128.0 MB
-Video Card 3D Acceleration:Yes
-DirectX Version:9.0c
Sound Card:Conexant AC-Link Audio version 6.14.10.385
Disk Space:40G

Screen shots:


and BTW I am running cs with a 640*480 resolution @ opengl , and my ATI Tray Tools don't work ... when I'm opening it , its going to a strange blue screen and restart the laptop automatically(The tools were installed with the OMEGA drivers package)

Thank you very much 4 your help ! and I an sorry 4 my bad english (I'am russian =0 )

 

You are running CS under OpenGL? The Radeon X200M is not good at playing any game that uses OpenGL, so run it under Direct3D.

You may try running the game under DirectX 8 or 7. It will be much easier on the video card and you can play at higher settings/resolution.

 

Thank you 4 your answer !

Yes I am running cs under DirectX 7.0 by placing -dxlevel 70 in my launch options on steam.

Later on today , I did a small test by placing my cs on Direct3D , here some screen shots :




So as you can see , its really a strange problem ... because I saw other guys posts and no one of them have this major problem

 

why are you running it on 640 x 480? lol
i recently purchased a mx7525 and could run the game on 1024 32bit with 100fps, frames drop to 60-70 with smoke unless i go to 16bit 800x600 there are no frame drops with smoke =)
running directx 9.0c with ATI 8.15 driver (from gateway support)with no other software like tray, i should get omegadrivers lol.

i tried running FEAR combat, need massive tweaking for it to look good but it is playable. And no i haven't experimented enough with the tweaking for FEAR yet =P

 

Hello again !
After a big discussion with the ATI.amd support a finally solve my problem by changing my driver to the recent Catalyst® 7.1 Display Driver

Thank you for your support !

 

figured i'd post my 2 cents about the 200m. it likes some games and it hates others.
i have an hp zv6000 with an amd 3700+(1mb, 90nm, 939), 2gb ddr400(a data), 7200rpm hd (hitachi), 200m @ 360mhz & 256mb, and a cardbus audigy sound card.
i would have to say that the lappy really liked having at least 1gb of ddr400 and 2gb didn't net a huge improvement, but some (plus mine is single channel). i have the 128mb dedicated version with up to 256 with hypermemory. running with a 1gb stick, it seems that just leaving the card at 128mb dedicated was the best option, with 2 gigs, sharing that other 128mb helps a little bit, but it's not something you want to do with less ram.

this is what this card has played, so far nothing has been denied.

bf2 with 800x600 and medium settings about 25-30fps

hl2 with 1200x800 high settings and 4x af around 30fps (cs source i can turn
it up even more)

fable with generally med-high settings (i forgot what) at 25-35fps

dark messiah of might and magic around 20-30 fps and if i recall like 800x600 and everything except a couple things on low.

doom3 (i forgot what settings, i had to mess with a lot of stuff though) with an avg of 30fps but dipping to 20 and maxing around 40-50 at times.
oblivion at 640x400 set to low which isn't bad and get 20-30 frames, except inside villages or the arena where i really slow down at times. if i set it to 1200x800 and very low and up some of the other stuff, i get about 30 fps avg and it runs waaaaayyyyy smoother, at a HEAVY hit to graphics quality (mostly lighting and effects and stuff like that, although buildings and characters aren't much different). so far this game runs the worst on this card and half life 2 runs the best, it really puzzles me because the graphics in hl2 are ridiculously better at those settings than oblivion which kind of looks like ass at those settings and it also plays smoother overall in hl2.

the two biggest things that affect performance on this card are shadows and aa...everything else doesn't seem to make much of an impact.

that should suffice.

 

AMD + ATI are now not very helpful in helping people with driver problems. I realise that the catalyst driver software that my laptop is using is 5.8 which is 2005 catalyst software. I downloaded the driver under the ATI Radeon Xpress 200M but when the software launches the the DRIVER SETUP it fails saying no current hardware found that suppports this driver package. But this driver download is the correct driver for the ATI Radeon Xpress 200M. I have tried many of the 6.x catalyst and they say exactly the same. I checked the INF DRIVER folder for the drivers and their are ATI Radeon Xpress 200 but no ATI Radeon Xpress 200M with the 'M' is their another way to have the most up to date driver please.

Toshiba Satellite Pro A100
Intel Celeron D 1.4Ghz 400Mhz FSB L2 Cache 1MB
256Mb PC4200 533Mhz
128Mb Vram ATI Radeon Xpress 200m
15.4" WXGA 'Trubrite'
2.7Kg