Will ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M play...

Joel, check the Driver Update guide, I added a section for users of integrated ATI graphics.

 

Try omega drivers

 

Hi, im new here.. I'm planning to buy the MSI S420 laptop with this specs

Intel® Core™ Duo T2050 MEROM
• 1.60GHz, 533MHz, 2Mb L2 Cache
• ATi Radeon X200m Video 128Mb shared
• MSI Wi-Fi G 802.11BG
• 1.0Gb DDR2 Memory (Max: 2Gb)
• 080Gb Hard Disk Drive
• Superb Glare 14.1in. Widescreen Display
• TFT WXGA (1280x780)

I just want to ask if this is enough to play Need For Speed Underground?

 

It will play it yes but at very low levels...

 

Underground 1 or 2?

I got need for speed underground 2 working at 1024*768 on low, quite good fps, certainly playable. NFSU1 will perform a bit better.

 

can this gpu overheat? and what happens when it overheats lol im a newbie don't mind me =P

cuz yesterday i was playing titan quest, longest i have ever played, like 3 hours and the engine.dll performed an illegal operation and it went to my desktop at 640x480 and 4 bit resolution lol. FOUR BIT!!!! never seen that before, my desktop usually produces like green lines or jus restarts the whole computer lol.

but **** i can run titan quest at 1024 with medium settings, no aa, no vsync, runs pretty **** smooth to me. i have the 128 dedicated, with omega drivers =)

edit: hmm i jus re ran the game, i think i just have a corrupted texture or something cause i keep crashing in a certain town, i walk around a bit and it gives up.

 

That happens me sometimes with my Go7400 after a few hours intensive play. It crashes to desktop at 640x480 in, yes, 4-bit color, it's all black, gray and distorted. A restart solves it, and it only happens on rare occasions.

 

I've done 7-hour stints of WoW on my overclocked x200m and I've never had any problems. It probably depends on the laptop's design.

 

May I know exactly how you overclock an integrated grafik?

 

I'm overclocking my xpress1100 from 300 to 400MHz with no problems iin games using ATI WinClk utility.

 

The same as you would dedicated.

 

so what are you all playing on the xpress 200m

i just got my laptop and been playing counterstrike its great and i never expected this much from a £500 laptop!

 

BF2 play's fine on my laptop with everything set to low, except the "view range" which is at 90%.

 

This is what I am planning to do with my Integrated x200m... I am going to buy 2 sticks of 1GB RAM so it eaquals to 2GB (Currently Running 512mb) and I will purchase Oblivion to Test out Oblivion on the x200m and Give my results. Hopefully the 2gb of Ram should make oblivion run alot smoother on the x200m. I have a choice of making my already 128mb x200m, a 256mb x200m but it will take away 256 RAM of my 2GB's of RAM... Should I keep my card at 128mb or sacrifice 256 Ram to make my Graphics card have better performance?

 

Guild Wars on my x200m runs not to great. The loading time is not good at all, takes to long. I'm thinking its because I have 512mb of Ram on my computer which pretty much sucks. I'm upgrading it to 2GB or RAM so that should make Guild Wars Load 4x faster. Just hoping. Any Opinions?

 

My friend has a x200m and hey plays guild wars with me. He said that on his laptop, he only gets around 15fps on med setting with low res. Hope this helps.

 

Oblivion will run like absolute crap. Regardless of ram.

 

Puppet, Can you give me the Specs of your friends computer?

 

When i read this, it made me want to shoot you. My X1400 Runs oblivion at 30 fps. Yours would be like 1 fps (because they dont have decimals)

 

Im not really sure, but I think he has 1gig of ram and a AMD turion processor. It's a HP laptop, and I think it's one of them 5000dv or something like that. That's about all I know.

 

I dont know much about processors and laptop video cards, but i just brought a gateway T2060 notebook, it has a Intel Pentium Dual-Core mobile processor T2060 with 533MHz frontside bus, 1MB L2 cache and 1.6GHz processor speed, and an ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M graphics with up to 256MB HyperMemory (total of local and shared system memory used by GPU); high-definition, 2-channel audio, and a GB of ram

will this run WOW????
or BF2??
or Half Life 1???

please help,
thank u.

 

Double check the processor, I believe many of those gateway models actually came with a faster processor than listed (t2250, 1.73 Ghz)

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=113676

 

Guild Wars with only 512 RAM, It will load Terribly slow with the x200m! Trust me I have the x200m + 512RAM and Guild Wars should have 1gb - 2gb of Ram to load good. Otherwise Loading Maps on Guild Wars was extremely slow for me. Good thing Im getting 1.5gb or 2gb In a month though so It shouldn't be any problem.

 

well it was since long time ago when i read this thread....
anyhow....
ihave just installed company of heroes and have some tested stuff...
it is horrible but still playable..
it gets 1.2fpg on movies but no lag and games as well
so basically everything is okay except videos and big battle
oh yeah one more thing....
it runs on the 1/3my phisical ram.... funny...
p.s. this is on the lowest setting that i could do....

 

resurrect this post, what games are you playing on ur xpress 200m!!!!

 

Any of you guys tested Lord of the rings online?

 

works horribly!

 

how bout on Medieval Total war, Medieval 2 Total war, DOTA and Online RPGS like maplestory?

planning on getting an ECS W341 core duo lappie..

 

i can run

star wars republic commando at around 30fps on 800x600
KOTOR at around 10fps highest settings, but probably b/c of openGl
LOTR: BFME2 at 30fps with settings at medium
SW battlefront at 20fps with max settings, shadows off 2xAA, 4xAF

 

I was wondering if i could play Neverwinternights 2 with this setup:

Intel Penium dual core @1.6ghz
1gb ddr2 ram
vista home premium
ati xpress 200m
1mb cache

 

Most likely. I dont know though because I heard some people having problems with the Server or something which really lags it up. Idk look some info around. The specs are more than capable of handling it tho.

 

Ok how r you all doing. First I have ATI Radeon xpress 200m on my spare laptop, a Toshiba Satellite L25, it has a 1.8 gig pin modded intel celeron m cpu, 1 gig DDR2 pc 4200 ram, 120 gig HDD @7200 rpm, I have the ATI Radeon xpress 200m set at 256 mb video ram and I use a Razor Copperhead gaming mouse.
I can play these games well with the 200m gpu, Americas Army, Silk Road, F.E.A.R., Halo, Tron 2.0, Vietcong, UT2003, DOOM3 and NFS Carbon. All the games run prettywell, not at the very highest settings but they still look good and run well. They all play well online good as well. I do use a cooling pad because it does tend to get warm with the pin mod and running these games. For $700 for a spare laptop and it plays these games, how can I complain. It's not the best mobile gpu but it does semm to work pretty good. O.K. that's just my 2 cents.

 

this may be a stupid question. but how do i increase the amount ram that i wanna share with my x200?? cant run WoW!!! NOOOO

 

Which laptop do you have? Check the BIOS on startup and see if there are any options. If you can't find any then you can't change the amount of shared memory. The X200M borrows memory dynamically up to a certain amount. If you add more RAM to your notebook the GPU will be able to share more.

Why can't you run WoW? Do you get some sort of error message or do you just assume you can't run it?

 

Wow ought to run on just about ANY card (except for maybe a SiS Integrated )...can you give any more info about that?

 

Yea whats your specs, because my system is running WoW fine, with something things cranked up!

 

it should run fine...
with mine it can run newer stuff....
unless ram and cpu is needed. you need to have a lot of ram at least 2g
since it is goin gto take a some stuff out of mem

 

I am not able to get Medieval: Total War running on my machine. It installed fine, but won't load the game after selecting a faction. It goes to the load screen, then the game shuts down and a window pops up stating that the game has stopped working. I've gone into the catalyst control center to try to change some options, changing them from "quality" to "performance", but I really don't know what I'm doing. I've also shut off all processes on my computer except for the ones necessary for the computer to continue running. Still no luck.

I had the same problem with Shogun: Total War, but I had the ability to change from hardware mode into software mode. Then it worked.

Strangely enough, Rome: Total War actually runs on my computer. Just not Medieval: Total War.

Any advice? My computer is pretty lame:

Intel Celeron 1.73 GHz
ATI Radeon Xpress 200m (memory size, 64 MB RAM)
512 MB RAM

I bought a 256 MB chip of memory to add, but I don't think that will help much...

Oh yeah, and I'm running on the dreaded Vista OS. I wiped the computer clean and installed XP onto it, but I couldn't install my graphics card drivers after doing so, so I had to wipe it clean and re-install the dreaded Vista OS in order to use my graphics card properly.

 

Hey does anybody know if this laptop could run bf2142 on any settings

Windows Vista™ Home Premium, Intel Core 2 Duo 1.73 GHz, 2GB memory, ATI Radeon Xpress 200M with up to 256MB HyperMemory

Thanks

 

I got BF2 to run smoothly at lowest resolution and lowest settings, but that's the best I could manage, BF2142 would probably run the same but be warned, anything above those settings is too ambitious. The X200 comes in so many variants as well, even with two identical models there are conflicting reports as to how well it runs certain games. You can check out what I acheived in my X200 screenshot thread, in my signature.

 

I have a Radeon xpress 200M w/ 128M memory in an HP dv5000 notebook. How difficult is it to upgrade to a better video card in my laptop? Is it even possible to do for an integrated GPU like the xpress 200M? If it IS possible, any recommendations for cards to get that'll run current games?

 

Not possible upgrade.

 

It's not possible to get a better graphics processor in a laptop with integrated graphics. There may some very rare exceptions out there that have a slot for discreet and onboard, but I don't know of any.

One thing that was completely ignored in this thread, but is potentially of great value to those of us with the shared memory and Intel CPU's is the dual-channel memory support. Obviously this won't matter for Turion users-sorry. If you want to check out what I'm thinking but haven't yet confirmed, look at this:

http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/nforce2-1vs2channels/index.html


It certainly won't/can't make the shared memory work any faster, but it can potentially make a difference in performance because the bus is twice as wide.

I just ordered a 2x512 configuration to swap in for my 1x1024 + 1x256 that I have right now in my Toshiba Satellite L25 which is s1216 meaning 5400 rpm HDD and Celery M 1.6

I'm actually going to do the pin mod tonight and get it up to 2.13 tonight (hopefully) which should also make a difference speeding up the bus from 400 to 533. Effectively it's like overclocking the graphics memory by 33%.

I'll also run some benchies of that before and after to see the actual effect. It won't be able to be sorted out from gaining CPU speed, but my theory is that it should be more than CPU speed alone showing up.

ps-I'm running the newest Omega drivers as of today's date and they installed automatically which was a big plus.

If there are still those guys out there rockin the R 200M, check back for benchies.

 

Lappy benchmarks

Stock speed, 256 and 1024 MB Ram
3DM01- 3073 - After: 3138, 3321 with core OC’d to 450 with ATI tools

03-922 - After: 936

SuperPi was 2:50, down to 2:25 for 2M digits after pinmod

Boinc after pinmod says 1967/3968, 2427/4432 for a A64 @ 2.4 (Comparison only)



So, while this information will not tell you if you can play any specific game, it does tell you that I got a little over 10% more 3DMarks with some overclocking tonight.

It appears that my above post about dual-channel ram is inaccurate. Looks like Toshiba claims dual-channel, but it's not really there. I have ordered 2x512 MB in order to check it out.

Also, my L25-s1216 does not oveclock the ram after the pin mod. Well, overclock is a misnomer, since it's rated for DDR2 533 stock, the mobo should support DDR2 533, and it should now be synchronous with the FSB. Prior to the pin mod it was running DDR2 400, and it remains so. It actually benchmarks quite pitifully (around 2200 in latest Sandra memory bandwidth). Looks about like a KT266A running PC2100! So, that's the real bottleneck now. I know that Clockgen for the Xpress 200 can work on the 200m's, so maybe I'll fiddle with that more later.

 

Good news for anybody who still looks at this thread and is an overclocker. Clockgen can work for this machine. I have CG 1.5 and it works like a charm up to about FSB 145-that's where the chip just gets too hot under load and will hang. So, I back it down to about 135-139 and it works fine, runs a little hot, but not terrible.

The Celeron 1.7 in my machine is doing around 2.2-2.3 currently and running BOINC at 100% with no problems. One of the more interesting things is that the FSB really does help the CPU benchmarks and it might even work better if you started with a 1.5 or so and could get a bigger FSB than I can with a higher multiplier.

At any rate, these OC's don't add too much to the overall gaming ability. I spent an hour on the phone (maybe more) last night with Toshiba tech support telling them that their website has incorrect specs for the s1216, and that it really runs at DDR2-400 and single channel, and is aparently incapable of running either DDR2-533 (PC4200) or dual channel. They eventually did tell me that I was right about the dual-channel, after I told them that they have the wrong version of the 200m chipset for support of dual channel.

Eventually they got so sick of me hassling them about it being incorrect that they told me that Windows must have down-clocked my memory in an effort to save power. I needed to go to the device manager and check every device's power settings. Well, for one, it's a Celeron so it's either on or off at the CPU level. Secondly, all the system devices were shown in the device manager as being in D0 state-which means they're on and full-power. I'll boot a Linux live CD tonight and confirm that memory runs 400 Mhz under a different operating system-as if that's in question.

 

I always belived that intel's version of X200M is a crap. and it is.

Look at mine - Compaq V2405US

Sempron 3000+ 1.8ghz, good old RAM DDR 400mhz 1T. Single channel socket 754 platform. nothing clockened nothing oc

3dmark 01se - 4043



3Dmark 03 - 1226



The KEY to overclock is 1T command rate and good ram. oc gpu gives nothing but can damage core. 300mhz is ok.

my review of x200m and lappy:

http://forum.purepc.pl/index.php?showtopic=206270

 

I registered just to say thank you thank you superkdogg. Your tip on clockgen allowed me to overcome an issue I had with windows forcibly cutting my cpu speed in half and reducing my ram by about 6% of what it really was.

The differences in playing Oblivion or Team Fortress 2 now and before clockgen are amazing and for an integrated card the radeon xpress 200 works wonderfully.

 

haha oh i love my thread!

 

I just started playing Doom 3 and I saw this thread and had to reply.

Yes Doom 3 will run and play very well with the Radeon Xpress200M. I have an HP5215 laptop with 2gigs of Ram, an AMD Turion 64 CPU and the 200M graphics with 128 mb dedicated VRAM. After finding some config info on the net, I have been able to set my machine to run Doom 3 with medium settings at my widescreen resolution of 1200X800. I do have some shadows and high end special effects turned off, but the game still looks great and I maintain an average FPS of 18-20, which is certainly playable. At 1024X768 it runs faster and still looks okay, but at any lower resolution, it gets fuzzy and blocky because the screen is meant to stay at it's native res of 1280X800.

World of Warcraft runs even better. The only thing you can't do with this chipset is turn on any kind of antialiasing, and Anistropic filtering is a big no go. I don't think it will run as well on machines that use shared system memory either. My PC came with Xpress200 and shared memory and it didn't do as well as the laptop so I upgraded it to an X700 pro. Unfortunately, most laptops don't have that option.

 

I would not be able to play any game at 18-20fps (and, at that, reporting such a figure means there must be times when it dips to 10-15fps) and neither would the majority of gamers. But, if you're happy...I just think it's a bit misleading to say Doom 3 runs 'good' on an X200 at 1280x800 at medium settings, considering the extremely low fps we're talking about..