Will ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M play...

But does the V2000Z have any dedicated memory? Some versions of the 200m supposedly have some dedicated graphics memory and the rest is borrowed rfom system RAM. My question is how much is dedicated on this model?

 

The V2000Z has all shared memory. There is no dedicated.

The V5000Z/dv5000z have 128MB dedicated.

 

Is that what you compared it to when you did your tests? What was your system config with your geforce 4200? I see your laptop, and it's similar to the one I want to get. So, I'd just like a little proof that the x200m performs like a 4200. Just a little confused as to how you got same scores with your 4200 as with your x200m and chazman got the same scores with his mx440 and x200m.

You're totally right, the 4200 is tones better than that lowely mx440, so if you both could provide system configs, it would shine some light on this for me and possibly others curious as to how the x200m performs in contrast to there pc's as far as gpu power.

Thanks

 

system config please?

 

Oh, and btw, does anyone know, "with some experience or proof", if the dedicated memory version of the x200m has any big advantage over the shared memory version?

 

The advantage is that it uses dedicated memory which means that it's faster and it doesn't eat your ram space. I think that it's better to clock the dedicated memory version too because you can adjust memory core too (maybe I'm wrong).

 

wow 11 pages all about the X200 :s

 

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"The advantage is that it uses dedicated memory which means that it's faster and it doesn't eat your ram space. I think that it's better to clock the dedicated memory version too because you can adjust memory core too (maybe I'm wrong)."

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I understand "why" it's better to have dedicated memory, I'm just curiuos as to how much better it performs against the shared memory version because they are both intergrated gpu's and i'm curious as to how much better, if at all, you can make an intergrated gpu.

Also, compaq's 14inch does not come with dedicated mem, but the 15inch does. I want the 14incher. But if the difference in performance is that much, i'd step up.

Plus with with pci-e bandwith, i've herd that shared memory performs a lot better than before, so if shared and dedicated for this intergrated gpu doesn't make "as big" of a difference, i'd go with a cheaper 14 inch.

 

I don't know if this helps but that MSI with Turion chip and integrated memory will probably get around 500 3DMark05 scores while with dedicated memory it could score around 700, so there is quite a difference percent wise, although I have no idea how that translates into gameplay since I haven't played a computer game in over 10 years.

 

@St4rm@n
Well I can't get any more datailed, sorry.

The X200M with shared memory just does about as good as a Geforce4200. Maybe in terms of raw speed the 4200 is a couple of notches ahead but then the X200M supports directx9 which gives it an edge on the 4200 so at the end, summing things up, they are about the equivelant to one another in terms of performance.

My kids have a Sempron 2800+ computer with a Geforce 4200. It plays even the newer games at low resolutions with everything turned off. The HP NB does exactly the same.

I was playing Battlefield2 Special Forces today on the NB at 1024 with everything turned off, and it was playable and pretty smooth. If I used 640 resolution it would even be faster but I'd rather have that little bit more resolution.

Can't compare it to a geforce 6800 or 7800 but it costs the half of a NB with one of those chips.

 

Thanks man, appreciate it. I wonder how much of that is your processor working though. Sempron 2800 vs Turion 1.8. Pretty big diffrence don't you think? Regardless, you proved a point that it's probebly not that big of a difference. Thanks!

I think I'm done being picky about it's overall performance. It sounds pretty decient. I'm probebly gonna get it with a sempron 3300. What do you guys think? Is it that big of a deal to match it with a turion than a sempron?

 

I have a Toshiba M50 Celeron M 1.4Ghz with the 200M Shared Mem, and it's pathetic in games. I can't get a single 3D game to run smoothly, I can't see how in any way it could even be comparable to a GF4 4200.

Is some thing wrong with my Laptop? I would love to play some games on it, but it seams any thing 3D is just unplayable on it.

I can't find any drivers that work on my laptop apart from the Omega one's but they didn't seem to help. Toshiba hasn't released a single driver/bios update for the laptop.

It's an awsome laptop in every way, apart from any thing 3D, any help would be very gratefull

 

Zak, what games are you trying to play? Don't say Doom 3 please

 

Your Celeron plays a large part in your bad 3D performance. And the interface between the Celeron and Graphic chip, RAM etc...

Turion64 1.8Ghz is in a different league, but unfortunately with the X200M IGP its like driving around with brakes on.

Still like mentioned here it can still play recent games at reasonable but low frame rates with all effects turned off.

 

I'm sorry, ... But, correct me if I'm wrong, that Toshiba M50 has 256 Mb of system memory, ... Right ? And, ... That Xpress 200m shares your ... Bla bla bla.

Well, you just see that ... ?!

 

If you only have 256MB, then that's your bottle neck. Because the X200M shares memory I'd suggest adding a 1GB RAM to your system. 512MB isn't enough.

Just writing a DVD with Nero needs around 400MB memory on it's own.

 

This thread started to get a little to advanced for my non-geek, non-gamer, brain to follow. What is the final verdict? I have a V2000 with the Turion and X200 and it plays Doom3 just fine. I hated the game and uninstalled it, but that wasn't the computers faut. I didn't check frame rate or anything, but it ran smooth with no lagging or choppiness, with good looking graphics.

 

that blows my mind, although at the time I was testing d3, my 200m was at 64, i'll try it again at 128.

 

Wow. Thanks this helps a lot. Someone who has the notebook I'm looking to buy. Have you tried any other games with this system, and if so how well did they play?

Oh, also, what is your system configuration (RAM, HD, CPU speed etc...)?

Thanks!

 

my old 7500 mobility plays halflife2 with low/medium settings and 1280x1020 resolution at a reasonably smooth framerate.

 

theres no way the X200 will play doom3 nicely. EVER

on low detail settings it will run nicely if u have a good CPU and lots of RAM

But Doom3 on low detail settings looks horrible anyway

 

I must desagree, Doom 3 on low settings don't look great, but it's still good. A better example: Quake 4, on High this game is OMFGWTF, but in low still looks great. I had to play Q4 with my 6600GT (but sempron 2400+ and 512ram ) on low settings and I really was impressed by it's graphics.

I think that 20-30 is playable but if the game suck (like FEAR) it doesn't matter how much AA/AF it has or quality of settings coz the game will suck anyway.

(ohh, but at least AF is a must)

 

No problem. Compaq V2000, Turion 1.6, 512 ram, 40gb HD, Raedon X200 or whatever. I'm not much of a geek, so if you need more info than that, let me know. I've only had it a week. I've played Doom 3, Half Life 1 and Tony Hawk Underground 2. Thats really all I've had time to install and try out. It WILL play Doom 3. I've since uninstalled it so I don't remember the settings I used. I seem to remember setting it up about middle of the road because I wasn't sure of the performance of my machine when I tried it. Played 100% fine. No lagging, or choppiness. Settings were high enough that everything looked smooth. In fact, I thought the graphics were darn good. Much better than Half Lifes graphics, even with HL on high settings. But HL is a much better game. I just thought the game sucked. The other 2 games I tried also both worked very well. And I'm still playing them. I'm not looking to start an argument, but Doom 3 will 100% for sure play on the V2000 with the configuration above. But, don't base whether or not to buy the machine on that one game. I thought it was a crappy game. It's a real nice computer to pass over because of 1 stupid game. YMMV.

 

So half life 1 ran smooth? If by chance you still have it installed, do you think you could tell me what kind of frames per second you got? I know you're not computer savy as you said, but if you could find out, I'd be most appreciative. Thanks man.

 

I'd be happy to tell you if you'll only tell me how to find out. It i still installed, and I play it, but don't know how to pull the Frame rate.

 

Thanks Nitsuj. While in the game, if you press the "~" key next to the "1" key, you will pull up the console. Then type: net_graph 3 and hit enter. It should display a graph in the bottom right corner. The top number is the fps.

Also, If you right click on the desktop and go to settings then to advanced. You can turn off vertical sync. This way, it will tell you the actual frames per secound, instead of maxing out at 60. If that's too complicated, just doing the console part in the game would be great. Thanks a lot man, really!

 

No luck. I already posted another thread on this. I can get the console to work, but I can't get any cheats or commands to work. None of the "give" commands will work for me either. Not sure why.

 

Oh, i saw that thread post. lol, thats you huh? coincidence. Hmm, so when you go to console and input a command, what does it say? net_graph 3 doesn't do anything? Don't forget the 3 to activate it.

 

Well, I got it so my cheat commands work, but the net graph thing still doesn't. Says it's an unknown command.

 

That's funny, i just did it. are you putting the underscore? "_"
Like net underscore graph space 3? net_graph 3
has to have underscore.
Oh well, thanks for trying. Glad the rest of the codes work for you.

 

hi, i have a Toshiba Satellite L25 with a Celeron M and Xpress 200M Chipset 256mb shared with the Xpress 200m, i will soon be upgrading to 1.2gb of ram (pc4200) for now im just stuck like this. the Celeron has a Dothan Core and 1mb L2 so its basically an older Pentium M

I get about 30 to 75 FPS in Counter Strike 1.6, i havent tried in half-life, i imagine it would be similar. this is without AA/AF off and a resolution of 1024 by 768

im not much of a gamer, i usually only play CS1.6 and Starcraft so i cant tell you anything else.. once i upgrade ram i am probably going to buy HL2 with CS :S tho, so...

 

oh forgot to say, it has 256Mb + 512MB Ram now, it was the first thing I did, I didn't think the Celeron M would be to bad, because it's basicly an older Pentium M.

I'm just trying games like Generals, GTA and stuff like that, nothing to graphic intensive.

Thanks for any help

 

well, i just tested CS 1.6 again, cause it had been a while.

I get about 70FPS constant. i probably would be getting more, but i only have 256 ram.. what could you expect.. plus.. its more like 192mb for os, and 64mb for Video ram. Wich is increadibly crappy. im sure that once i put more ram in this thing performance will greatly increase. And when it does i will gladly share with you nice folks how the performance is.

 

hey Jengo, thanks! Finally someone can tell me there fps in 1.6. You get that with a celeron, 256 ram and intergrated video? I know its an old game, but wow. K. Just checking, but did you turn vertical sync off in display settings? It could be much higher

make sure your memory speeds match. Celeron only supports 400fsb.

 

Zak, first, how much memory did you dedicate to your graphics? Set it to 128. Also, have you had any viruses or anything like that? Any spyware? Go to www.pcpitstop.com to do a quick system check (just go to test system anonymously). That'll tell you if you have any big problems you might not be seeing. If Jengo's got pretty much the same set up as you, but with LESS ram, then there's got to be something up with your computer. Try that web page out first.

 

I've got it set to 128, and I've just done a fresh install of win XP pro, and finaly found some drivers that work from toshiba, so I'll just see how it goes now.

 

starman, yes vsync is off

and actually, The Celeron M (dothan based) supports 533 FSB (DDR2). I just ordered a sodimm of 1gb ddr2 PC4200!! so you should be able to see how fast HL1 and then HL2 performs!! I should have the ram in about 3-4 days cause newegg has quick shipping!

 

How do you get it to use 533mhz FSB? my memory can do it, but the CPU is still set at 400mhz, would it be using it all at the right speed, or do it limit it to the CPUs FSB?

Thanks

 

oops my bad.

Newegg's cool as school.

 

hey guys, read this, altho its not the 200M its still the Xpress 200 wich is VERY similar

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2427

 

WTF's wrong with my notebook!?
"Wolfenstein gives the highest frame rates that we’ve seen on integrated hardware. Intel lags in performance once more, but with 30fps at high quality 800x600, dropping the settings a bit more will give a surprisingly smooth experience. "

ATI Xpress 300 36.3 FPS
I get a f*****g 10 maybe

 

Remember that it's on a desktop . .

 

i have the v5000 its still shared memory, are there any dedicated 200m's?

 

Did you opt for the 128MB ATI Radeon Xpress? If so, you have 128MB of dedicated memory.

 

well it is the ati express 200m, but it says i have 896 megs of ram, but i have 1024 total.

 

Then the GPU is sharing some of it - you have 256MB with HyperMemory. I believe you can change the settings for the X200M in the BIOS when you boot up - Press F2 to enter it.

 

in the bios it says 128 megs shared. where does this 256 come into play?

 

Your X200M has 128MB of dedicated memory. In the BIOS, it is set up to take another 128MB from your main memory - that's shared. 128MB + 128MB = 256MB.

You see 896MB of system memory instead of 1GB because the video card is taking 256MB for itself.

 

so where would i see that my video card is using 256 megs of ram?

i just need to see it for myself, cause evrything so far on here says ati express m200 128?

 

I'd download a program called Everest - it will show you a bunch of detailed information about your computer.