Will ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M play...

arr thanks i cant find any that are realy under a grand that can play bf2 but ill still look.

 

I have X200M and it plays BF2 online @1024x768 at lowest settings acceptably at low FPS. X200 is definitely not for hard core gamers but for someone like me who plays once a month its ok.

 

Anyone even tried gaming on a SONY VAIO TX????
i really wounder if it can handle anything at all ?

anyone with some proof???

/plz

 

Hi everyone..
I'm new here.. and I need help real quick. I bot an Hp dv4307 cl.. specs
Centrino 1.73Ghz, 1GB RAM, 100 GB HD@4200 RPM, integrated graphics. When i bot this I wasnt planning on playin a lot of games, but now I have started playin CS etc, so i want somethin a little more powerful. Help me decide between these both
Hp dv5000z AMD Turion-64 2.0Ghz, 1GB RAM, 100GB HD @4200RPM, ATI RADEON XPRESS 200M ($1049)
Dell Insipron 6000 Centrino-2.0Ghz, 1GB RAM,100 GB HD (think @5400rpm), ATI RADEON X300 ($1349)

Which of these cards and specs are better. I'd like to play CS, half life 2, WoW.
Btw.. all these laptops are available at costco.com.
THANKS ppl

 

I'd look for some thing with more than them, as they're getting a bit out dated now. But if you had to choose out of those two, go for the X300.

 

No, don't buy the x300. It costs $300 dollars more but ofers the same performance. The X200M integrated GPU has the X300 core core. The difference being the x300 is not inegrated and has its own memory. For $1300 you'll find at least a NB with a X600 GPU which is a different league altogether

 

Zak

U mean the graphics cards are outdated?

 

dadash

Any suggestions on wher i can get one for $1300 with X600 ?

 

Wait for Gateway's MX7525 to go on sale again at Best Buy. Reg. price is $1350; sale usually brings it down to $1200. It's identical to the lappy in my sig, except it has a Mobile Athlon 64 4000+ instead of the 3700+ and comes with Windows XP Media Center Edition.

 

In that price range you also might want to look at an MS-1029. It's got an X700 128 Mb which can easily handle the games you've mentioned (not on high settings maybe, but it's considerably faster than an X600). It's a whitebook computer, but go to rawpowerpc.com and you should be able to customize a decent system for $1200 or so. If you do choose to go that route you might want to wait a month because the MS-1039 is shortly to be released and that might lower the price of the 1029. Good luck!

 

FOUND ONE..
Hp zv6000 AMD Athlon 64 2.0 Ghz, 512 MB RAM, 80GB HD@ 4200 rpm (I can upgrade both), ATI RADEON Xpress 200M.. price?? 599.99

What do you think?

 

Let's stick to the original topic of this thread. Any more posts regarding off-topic stuff after this post will be promptly deleted.

For notebook recommendations, that is what we have the What Should I Buy forum. There's an FAQ in there that helps us find a notebook for you if you fill it out.

Thanks,
Chaz

 

This is for all those x200m doubters and those who are wary of buying this gpu.

I just finished running Farcry demo, and guess what, I will be looking to buy the game because it is more very playable. (My fans are still running loud as I type because the game does demand a heck of a lot.) So yeah, I ran it at 800x600 medium settings and it was almost totally smooth. I then, for fun, jacked everything up, 1280x800 and EVERYTHING on high or highest. It played! Not "playable" but I was still able to walk around the beach and show my GF the sweet sweet scenery. Only when enemies can out did it start to get choppy. The x200m (WITH LASTEST DRIVERS) is a more than capable GPU. OH and with this new found confidence, I am d/ling F.E.A.R. and Doom 3 demos... It's ON!

 

Heres the scary bit though, on my Toshiba, I am lucky to hit 30fps indoors on min settings with far cry.

All though I have to say, my notebook is just getting slower and slower now, so I think I'm going to send it back to toshiba, and get them to look at it.

I used to be able to play games on it, but then it just all went down hill

 

Hi folks,

I'm running a Fujitsu-Siemens AMILO L1310G Notebook with 1.6 GHz Celeron M, 512mbRAM and the ATI Radeon Xpress 200M, which uses 128mb of my shared system memory.

I've bought two games since--LOTR: Battle for Middle Earth (1) and Neverwinter Nights. BfME works fine on medium settings, but Neverwinter Nights is absolutely abysmal in any outside areas. With sky or shadow effects turned on, regardless of resolution, performance drops to an unplayable 5fps! Oddly, the 'shiny water' option doesn't seem to have any noticeable effect on framerate. My system far surpasses the recommended requirements (considering the game came out 3 years ago), so I'm really confused. Unfortunately neither Atari nor ATI provide technical support for Laptops/Notebooks!
I've posted at the NWN BioWare forums, and the people there told me that a shared memory IGP will not run OpenGL games well at all, even old ones. Is this true for the Intel 200M? I would love to get this game running at acceptable speeds (25-30fps) with at least just the sky option on, but nothing seems to work. Any help or info would be much appreciated!!

Cheers

 

Would the X200M play oblivion? Im debating on whether to buy it, and Ive been looking forward to it for so long.... Running on 1.99GHZ AMD, 512ram, AMD 3200+ 64 Since it comes out tomorrow, advice would be much appreciated

 

If you do a little research...Oblivion
Recommended Specs:

3 Ghz Intel Pentium 4 or equivalent processor
1 GB System RAM
ATI X800 series, Nvidia GeForce 6800 series, or higher video card

Minimum Specs:
512MB System RAM
2 Ghz Intel Pentium 4 or equivalent processor
128MB Direct3D compatible video card
and DirectX 9.0 compatible driver;
8x DVD-ROM drive
4.6 GB free hard disk space
DirectX 9.0c (included)
DirectX 8.1 compatible sound card
Keyboard, Mouse


Supported Video Card Chipsets:

ATI X1800 series
ATI X1300 series
ATI X850 series
ATI x800 series
ATI x700 series
ATI x600 series
ATI Radeon 9800 series
ATI Radeon 9700 series
ATI Radeon 9600 series
ATI Radeon 9500 series
ATI Radeon 9000 series
NVIDIA Geforce 7800 series
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 series
NVIDIA GeForce FX series

The 200M wont run that game ever or maybe it might but with like 1fps that too on the lowest settings. You need more RAM atleast.

 

Hi guys!

look, im not a super computer nut, but i do know alot about them (but not Too much) ok,

Now I have a desktop computer with the fallowing Specs:
Brand: HP
Type: Desktop
Processor: AMD Athlon XP 1500+ (1.35GHz)
Random Access Memory: 512MB
Hard Drive: 80GB 7200 RPM Ultra-ATA
Mainboard Chipset: VIA Prosavage KM266
Graphics: ATI Radeon 9550 256MB 250MHz Clock.(AGP 4X)

ok, yes i know its a slow and old machine (3years old to be exact).
but, it can play Far Cry @ high settings with a resolution of 1024x768 very well with minimal or little lag. I mean this is an old machine but it can still play far cry fairly well.

ok now here is my issue:
I just bought a Laptop from HP with the fallowing Specifications:

- HP Pavilion dv5000z CTO NB
- Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP Home Edition with SP2
- AMD Turion(TM) 64 ML-32 (1.8GHz/512KB L2 Cache)
- 15.4" WXGA Widescreen (1280x800)
- 128MB ATI RADEON(R) XPRESS 200M w/Hypermemory(TM)
- 1.0GB DDR SDRAM (2x512MB)
- 60 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
- DVD+/-RW/R & CD-RW Combo w/Double Layer Support
- 54g(TM) 802.11b/g WLAN w/ 125HSM/SpeedBooster(TM)

(Its still on its way.)

ok, this new laptop looks to be very much more powerful than my old desktop, so will it play FarCry better than my desktop? I know what alot of people are saying about the Radeon X200m, but a freind of mine has it on his laptop and he can play BattleField Vietnam without any problems at Mid to High graphics settings (and so can i on my desktop). but reading all of the negitive comments about the Radeon X200M, i am a little more than scared. but i want to know if it will play FarCry as good (or better) than my old desktop? I mean that the Radeon 9550 256MB has a 250 MHz Graphics core clock and the Radeon X200M has a 350 Mhz Core Clock (according to the ATI website) and both utilize the 0.13Micron Process Technology and a 128 bit Memory Interface, so they must be pretty much the same right? o and the X200M uses a PCI-E Interface which is 2x the power of AGP 8x while the card on my old desktop is only AGP 4x (motherboard supports only AGP 4X) so the X200M has to be faster right? and can run farcry better right??

MAN im so confused!

please reply me ASAP! (my laptop will arrive in 2~4 days)


thanks!

 

Here is one of the best ways to get about 30% more 3D power out of your X200 Turion64 and Sempron Laptops, by increasing the standard 333(166Mhz) memory bus frequency to 400(200Mhz)!!!

You need this great utillity from here A64 Tweaker

Read the thread so you don't make any mistakes. You only want to increase the memory bus from 166 to 200Mhz. Don't change anything else.

Using A64 Tweaker you can set the memory to 200Mhz and everything else stays the same. No extra voltages, no CPU frequency changes. No extra heat. But more power.

The X200 chip has some nice untappt power to bring out. Doing this brings the X200 graphic power comparable to a full X300 or a geforce 4200.

I tested with 3DMarks2003:
166Mhz- 960 points
200Mhz- 1160 points

Not bad for a Laptop with an on-chip VPU with shared memory.

You can play BF2 at 1024x768 with lowest effects at a fairly decent frame rate, but only if you have at least 1GB RAM. BF2 only runs good above 1GB, less than that and it has to save on the HDD.

 

I'm not really sure about the Neverwinter Nights problem but I actually had it myself. My desktop exceeds the NWN requirements by far, it still lagged a lot when playing. After reformatting my HD and installing the latest drivers and such it ran perfect. (Keep in mind I didn't reformat just for NWN.)

Maybe try reinstalling it? That might help... I really don't know.

 

how can a X200M be the same as a TI4200? the 4200 has a 250MHz core clock and the X200M has a 350MHz Core clock? so how can they be same? as far as i know the X200M has a 128-bit memory interface which is the same as the TI4200.\
But what about the X200M and the Radeon 9550 256MB AGP 4X?

 

and i have another question, how do you check what socket the notebook is. for example Socket 757 or socket 949. hhow do you check that?

 

by figuring out what processor is in your notebook, you can figure out what socket it is, use Yahoo and look for a program called CPU-Z its free and download it and see the details of your CPU

 

is the Turion ML-32 socket 734 or socket 949?
I dont know much about these 'sockets' so if anyone would please explain them to me.

 

Why do you want to know?
Its Socket 754

 

hey dadash (or anyone else who knows),

I have some questions about A64 tweaker (assuming you've tested thoroughly and found it stable)

I'm looking to buy the HP/Compaq NX6125 Sempron 3000+ which comes with 2x256 DDR333 memory. I will upgrade to 1024 soon after I get it. Should I go for DDR400 (assuming it will take it, any thoughts on that? I've heard some HP/Compaq's are quite picky) or could I just get 333 and run it at 400?

Another thing I noticed are the 3dMark01 scores for the 200m, laptops with about the same specs as the nx6125 do around 4500, which is about the same as I get with the geforce4 420 in my toshiba. What's that all about?
03 scores are a lot higher though, my current lappie can only run 3 or 4 tests. And you can forget about 05/06 it doesn't even have pixel shader 1.1.

oh yeah I'm new and it's very nice to be here. Good to see a lot of people take laptop gaming seriously!

 

Guys, this thread needs to stay on topic so let's keep it related to the X200M.

TiMiN8R - I had a notebook with a GeForce 4 440 Go before, and it scored pretty much identical to the X200M 128MB (dedicated) in 3DMark2001. For an integrated video card, the X200M is excellent, but as you can see, doesn't stack up to even an outdated dedicated video card well.

Chaz

 

Thanks for the info ChazMan. The X200M should be better in dx8/9 games though, right? Seeing as how it scores in 3Dmark03 and all. I'm not looking for high end gaming performance, it's just that I can get a nice deal on the NX6125 and maybe even make a profit when I sell my Toshiba, and would like to know if there's even the slightest increase in performance. Even if there's not an increase where's gaming concerned, the HP is better in every other respect so it's an improvement either way. But I'm getting a little off-topic here so I'll stop now...

 

Yes, the X200M will be much better because it can actually run the newer games - many of them require that the video card has pixel shaders. The GeForce 4 4x0 Go doesn't have pixel shaders because it is a DirectX 7-level card. The X200M has full DirectX 9 support.

We can give you some more notebook recommendations if you'd like, there's a small form you can fill out called the "What Should I Buy FAQ" in the What Should I Buy forum. It will help us give you recommendations.

Chaz

 

And thanks again for another quick reply ChazMan. I've seen the "What Should I Buy FAQ" but I wasn't really looking to buy a new laptop. It's just that I might be able to get the HP for a price way below normal retail price and, as I've said, maybe even make a profit selling my old one . That's the only reason I'm thinking of upgrading but thanks anyway for the head's up.

 

which card is better by the way? the 9550 256MB Desktop AGP4x Card or the X200M?

 

put it this way the 9550 is better in a PC, the X200M in a NB

 

yes, but how will the X200M play FarCry? my 9550 256MB AGP4X 250MHz Clock graphics card plays it quite well. im not a super de duper mega gamer, but occasionly i get bored and pop in FarCry or Delta Force Black Hawk Down and play for an hour or so. i mean, i play games like about 1~2.5 hours a week (mostly on weekends) so extreme gamming is not an issue, but i still want to know if the X200M will play FarCry as well or better than my 9550.

my 9550 can play with the standard resolution (1024x768) with most settings on High (except lighting/shadows/ and AA and AF) and frame rates are pretty good too (only minimal lagging) (see this thread's page 22 for the full specs of my Desktop P.C (laptop comming in 2 days!)).

but the thing I want to know is this: Since the Coreclock of the X200M is 100MHz (350MHZ) Faster than my 9550's Core clock(250MHz), will it play FarCry better than my 9550?

please reply asap!

REALLY IMPORTANT ISSUE!

 

Your 9550 is better than the X200M by a good amount.

Far Cry, although an older game is still quite demanding. The X200M isn't going to be able to play it that well, but you'll still be able to play. An 800x600 resolution and medium settings should be doable.

Chaz

 

but why? i mean the X200M's clock speed is faster??? and here is what ATI has to say about it:

Best-in-class PCI Express performance
Radeon® Xpress 200M is built on a .13-micron process with 350MHz graphics core speed, and 128-bit system memory interface ensuring best-in-class graphics performance with mobile applications. The built-in graphics deliver double the bandwidth of AGP 8X. Without the shared-bus limitations of PCI, Radeon® Xpress 200M better controls bandwidth usage and data priority while multitasking real-time applications and video playback for an enhanced cinematic experience. Enhanced plug-and-play support frees on-the-go mobile users to hot-plug the latest external devices with greater reliability, making Radeon® Xpress 200M-based notebooks the dependable mobile platform for productivity and multimedia entertainmen

So accoring to this the X200M should be better than my 9550, for one thing the 9550 is running on AGP 4x and the x200m uses PCI-E (?) which is double the bandwidth of the AGP 8X (as quoted above). so by all logical means, the X200M sould be faster and better, but is there something that i sould know that is missing here?

 

Might i just ask (as im waiting for a reply on my previous post) how dose this notebook sound?:
AMD Athlon64 3200+ (1MB L2 Cache)
512MB DDR400 RAM
60GB 5400RPM HD with 16MB Cache
ATI Mobile Radeon 9700 with 128MB dedicated video memory
DVD Writer etc. etc.

Price: $991.99 with free Notebook Case/ Cooling Pad/ and Free FarCry 64Bit.

is it good?

you can find more info about it at www.ABS.com

 

The 200M only has 2 pipelines, the 9550 should have at least 4, so thats 350x2 = 700Mhz, and 250x4 = 1000mhz.

Oh, and the 9550 will have far faster memory too.

 

I'm checking this notebook out; the specs are:

AMD Turion™ 64 Mobile MT-40(25w 2.20GHz 1MB)
ATi Radeon® Xpress 200M PCI Express upto 128 MB share memory
MMC/SD/MS/MS Pro 4-in-1 card Reader
Wireless: 802.11 b/g WLAN card
Wire: 10/100Mbps Ethernet LAN
Built-in 56Kbps Modem
Built-in Bluetooth
Thin & Light notebook weight 1.90KGs
12.1" LCD Clear bright WXGA (1280x800)
DVD Dual/ DVD Dual Layer
Wireless LAN 802.11 b/g
80GB Harddisk
1024MB DDR RAM
Price: $1,334
Is this config OK?

 

Or... should I take this:
Intel® Centrino® Duo Mobile Technology
-Intel® Core® Duo Processor T2300 (1.66GHz, 2MB L2 cache, 667MHz FSB)
- Intel® 945PM Express Chipset
- Integrated Intel® Pro/Wireless 3945BG
Integrated Bluetooth ™
512MB DDR2-533 (Max 4GB)
60GB(5400rpm) with DASP , Weight 2.35kg.
DVD-Super Multi double layer
56K Fax/Modem, 10/100Mbps LAN
14.1" WXGA TFT LCD (1280x800 pixel)
ATI Mobility ™ Radeon® X1300 256MB HyperMemory®
Li-Ion Battery (Avg. 2.5hrs. battery life)
Price: $1334

 

Dello, If you look on page 22, you will see my experience with Farcry. I will post more info if you want, once I get a chance to sit down and play a little more.

Kenflyken, you are comparing completely different notebooks for people with completely different needs. One is an ultraportable 12 inch with decent graphics (like mine) but is meant for people who require portability over (gaming) performance. The second one is a helva lot bigger and more powerful (for gaming). The pricing is pretty standard for those setups.

Comparing the 200M to a 256MB Radeon is apples and oranges, as is comparing a 12 incher with a 14. Oh, and you should opt for a gig of RAM.

 

Intel® Centrino® Duo Mobile Technology
-Intel® Core® Duo Processor T2300 (1.66GHz, 2MB L2 cache, 667MHz FSB)
- Intel® 945PM Express Chipset
- Integrated Intel® Pro/Wireless 3945BG
Integrated Bluetooth ™
512MB DDR2-533 (Max 4GB)
60GB(5400rpm) with DASP , Weight 2.35kg.
DVD-Super Multi double layer
56K Fax/Modem, 10/100Mbps LAN
14.1" WXGA TFT LCD (1280x800 pixel)
ATI Mobility ™ Radeon® X1300 256MB HyperMemory®
Li-Ion Battery (Avg. 2.5hrs. battery life)
Price: $1334

this would be a good choice but im sure u can get better deals out there. i think that a x1300 is slightly better than a ati radeon 9700 which is pretty old but kicks the [edited by moderator] off the x200m. be aware that in most cases x1300 has only 64mb dedicated while the rest is hypermemory. but its always better to go for the newer card as ati will come up with updates that help the newer cards as opposed to older cards.

 

The Radeon 9700 is going to be stronger than the X1300 by a bit (when referring to laptops, desktops much more so).

But yes, the X1300 is signifigantly better than the X200M.

Chaz

 

wouldnt it be funny if intel made a dual core, 64bit celeron?

 

it would be funny, but would be such a waste of an effort! everyone knows the Celerons are ****!

 

ummmm, I thought this was ment to be about the 200M?

 

Not the first time this 25-pager has gone off topic...

I'm getting BF2 soon, Hopefully within a week or two, I'll have more to say about Farcry, BF2, and maybe I'll get the Doom3 demo and see how the 200M copes with all that.

 

YAY! My laptop is HERE!!!!!!!!!! just arrived today! now, let me set it up and install FarCry, then ill see how it copes with the 200M!

 

So, my brother has a Compaq v2310us, ML-28, 1280MB RAM (1GB stick, 1 stock 256 left in there) at 2700, updated BIOS (F.23 to run memory at 166 instead of 133) and the 200M sharing 128MB + updated drivers from ATI. It was only supposed to be for school work / basics, but he's been hooked on WoW for a few months as well, and I've been hooked on reading this forum now so I'll ask.

He's got WoW running at 1280x768 (or is it 800, I forget for his 14" screen) with all settings on low plus all the performance enhancers checked on or off, basically basic graphics but at decent res. FPS goes from 15-25, usually hovering around 18-20 without much activity around. Is this about right or should he be getting a bit more for the res, or at least some more detail / draw distance? Would running the game off a faster HD help? I think it comes with a 4200RPM drive, would installing or running of an external 5400 / 7200 be better? I keep reading other posts around here claiming the Intel IGPs do WoW fine and that the 200M should handle it with no problem ... is this no problem or am I expecting too much?

 

I'd go for at least 30, that's the minimum playable.

Turn the resolution down - that's what is hurting you. I'd say 1024x768 or less, 800x600 might be idea. You might be able to turn up a few of the settings at that resolution, improve some aspects of the visual quality. Keep the textures on low so the video card doesn't have to take that much of your main memory.

Chaz

 

Hi Guys! Just got my laptop today! and i must say that i am impressed with the 200m! Before i expericened it firsthand my self, i got scared reading all the bad comments about the 200m.
yes, i know it is the the top of the line card, but i should say that i am everly impressed with the quality and performance of this card!

here is what i have to say.

the first thing i jumped to in my notebook (AFTER I SET IT UP) was that i tried FarCry.
ok here are the settings i played on:
Texture Quality: Very High
Texture Filter Quality: Bilinear
Artrostropic Level: 1
Resolution: 1024x768x32
AntiAlising: Low
Particle Count: Very High
Special Effects Quality: Very High
Environment Quality: Very High
Shadow Quality: Low
Water Quality: High
Lighting Quality: Medium

ok these were the settings that i played with. and to my amazement the 200m handled it even better than my old 9550! I got Framerates from 28~33! and I have to say that im very pleased that i bought the 200m! AMAZING!


ok guys, i have one last question before i stop my babbling.
Where can i get updated drivers for my 200M, and where do i get a BIOS update from?


thanks,

dello