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    nVIDIA Whisper Mode

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Jun 22, 2017.

  1. hmscott

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    Maybe that's not Whisper Mode?

    Maybe set it back to defaults and load the latest drivers / GFE and see if it shows up - it might not be out yet - I haven't seen any mentions, wait till WM is mentioned as being included.
     
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    I hope this doesn't hurt my performance on my nonMQ system...... I smell a ploy to even the playing field from team green.....hope I am wrong
     
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    You could download the latest Geforce Experience here:

    https://us.download.nvidia.com/GFE/GFEClient/3.8.0.89/GeForce_Experience_v3.8.0.89.exe

    GeForce Experience 3.8.0 Release Highlights

    GeForce Experience Overlay:

    Added ability to see viewers comments while broadcasting to Facebook.
    Added ability to broadcast to Facebook groups.
    Added ability to share screenshots to Weibo.
    Added ability to reset keyboard shortcuts to their default settings.
    Added keyboard shortcut [Ctrl+Alt+M] to mute/unmute microphone.
    Added keyboard shortcut [Alt+Shift+F10] to turn Instant Replay on/off.

    GeForce Experience Client:

    Added ability to download and install experimental feature updates.
    Whisper Mode support for GeForce GTX 10 series Laptops, GTX 1060 and above (requires driver 384.76 or above).
    Improved launch time performance of Settings->General page.
    Improved game scan time for first-time setup.

    GameStream to SHIELD:

    Added support for streaming games at 4k resolution through Steam Big Picture.
    Reduced video stutter by matching monitor refresh rates of client and server.

    Bug Fixes

    Fixed issue where game assets do not show up if the PC is offline.
    Fixed issue when users get “No disk error” and are prompted to insert a disk.
    Fixed DNF game performance drop with in-game overlay enabled (requires driver 384.76 or above).
    Fixed case where in-game overlay would not be brought up if Instant Replay was on and game resolution was changed.
    Addressed various stability, performance, localization and security issues.
     
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    Good eye. :)

    "GeForce Experience 3.8.0 Release Highlights

    GeForce_Experience_v3.8.0.89.exe

    Whisper Mode support for GeForce GTX 10 series Laptops, GTX 1060 and above (requires driver 384.76 or above)."

    So, how's it working?
     
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    [​IMG]
     
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    Try clicking on the "Enable Experimental Features..." at the top left just under the GFE info area.

    And, make sure your "driver" matches the requirement for " requires driver 384.76 or above".
     
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    nope samething. Ticked it and restarted it and still has the triangle
    [​IMG]
     
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    I downloaded the latest GFE and have the latest driver and couldn't get it to work....I have a feeling it is for Max Q only even though Nvidia doesn't make this clear.. I will give it try again later.
    "Whisper Mode support for GeForce GTX 10 series Laptops, GTX 1060 and above" but perhaps they mean only the Max Q variety.

    Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
     
  9. Vasudev

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    Can you try nvidia inspector and enable Quiet Mode and Quiet mode FPS and report back. I am thinking its a kind of Whisper mode or Radeon Chill. I tried it but had massive stuttering because fan were passive and temps rose up to 75C on Witcher 3 Custom Ultra Settings with FPS capped to 60.
     
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    I figured as much. Marketing BS
     
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    Nvidia has made it clear that Whisper Mode is independent of Max-Q, and is for all Series 10 GPU's.

    It works like BatteryBoost does by adjusting frame rate limits and goes a bit further by also adjusting Game settings to reduce the GPU / CPU load to reduce thermal output.

    Nvidia is said to have 400 game profiles already for Whisper Mode.

    Why is it not working even in a seemingly production level release that states explicitly that Whisper Mode is included? Nvidia :)

    Nvidia Max-Q & WhisperMode: Information & Initial Benchmarks
    https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-Max-Q-WhisperMode-Information-Initial-Benchmarks.230426.0.html

    " The optional WhisperMode
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    WhisperMode (Source: Nvidia)
    The WhisperMode, which is independent of the hardware, takes a different approach. It can be activated via GeForce Experience in addition to Max-Q or as a standalone feature. WhisperMode is supposed to be available for all Pascal graphics cards and currently works with more than 400 gaming profiles created by Nvidia. The feature automatically chooses graphics presets optimized for the GPU, and limit the frame rate to 40 (e.g. The Witcher 3) or 60 frames per second ( Overwatch), respectively. Users can always change Nvidia's presets manually.

    Nvidia acknowledges that different genres or titles, respectively, have different requirements in terms of FPS for an enjoyable gaming experience. The manufacturer wants to use this technology to improve the efficiency even further and reduce the system noise considerably. We think this feature makes the most sense if the laptop is equipped with a G-Sync display."
     
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    Only time will tell,most likely it will MAX Q selling feature or gimmick to attract more followers to Dark Green Side.
     
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    I see...thanks for clearing that up.

    Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk
     
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    ugh it limits the FPS by that much?!?! what a joke. Just give us the ability to mod our bios already!!!
     
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    If you enabled VSync the FPS hovers steadily between 48-60 w/o stutter on 980m, maybe pascal will have less stutters.
     
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    Anyone tried reverting to 384.76 to see if whisper mode works with the driver version explicitly named in the release highlights?
     
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    I've enabled whisper mode and all it does is limit frames and change game settings? Thought it did a a bit more then that haha.
     
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    Cool, does it seem to help quiet up your computer while gaming compared to how loud it is typically?

    Nvidia already reduces power as less power is used, lower game settings and FPS will automatically reduce the load and the power used, and therefore the heat generated - reducing the fan RPM, hence "Whisper Mode".

    It might also adjust the fan curve for the GPU... you might try some Whisper Mode "Enabled" / "Disabled" tests and watch the fan speed. I don't suppose you have a dba Meter too?

    Some real measurements in front of and behind (side too?) for noise gaming with WM enabled/disabled would be awesome.

    Thanks for posting, I think you are the 1st to figure out how to get Whisper Mode working!
     
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    Does Whisper Mode entry show up in Nvidia inspector?
     
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    I'm going to do some testing sometime tomorrow. Today I only threw batman and league of legends at it. Both were capped at 60fps which is annoying on league but okay on batman. Its keeping the fans quiet and temps are low but these games aren't demanding.

    As for nvidia inspector, I don't have that installed.

    Edit: Also i'm not entirely sure I'm the first but the option is right above battery boost now. You check it on then it offers to optimize all your games which you can choose to do or not. Regardless I believe Whisper mode caps your frame rate at 40 or 60 depending on the game profile. GTA V is capped at 40 and the optimized settings have almost everything maxed out besides extended distance scaling. Temps never went above 55c on the GPU which was interesting. Can't talk about fans right now because I have a room fan on which drowns out any noise. Maybe I'll give a sound test tomorrow.
     
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    Interesting, after ShotOfB12 post, I went to check in GFE and Whispermode is Ready....I will give it a go later, since I will be on the road today.
    I will compare it to quiet mode in inspector as vasudev asked.
     
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    @Vistar Shook : Does it show up in nvidia inspector profile?
     
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    People pay premium... Getting low end!!
     
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    very true when all they could have released this application that does it. now they are selling sku's to fill those pockets
     
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    So has anyone done any major science, on what whisper mode does to non-Max-Q Pascal cards?
     
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    Whisper Mode now available with the latest GFE:

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
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    TL; DR: Whisper Mode enforces a frame limit on the GPU when the driver deems necessary. Say you're staring at a wall in a game, or talking with a merchant in, say, Skyrim. We don't exactly need to see the same wall or the same guy at 60 FPS, right? So the driver applies a frame cap dynamically. It's similar to Radeon Chill. And hence:
    1. Fewer frames rendered ? less power used;
    2. less power used ? lower GPU temps;
    3. lower GPU temps ? less air needed to cool heatsink;
    4. less air needed to cool heatsink ? slower fan RPMs;
    5. slower fan RPMs ? quieter notebook.
     
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    Can you tell if it affects games that aren't on the list? I'm going to guess that it does not.
     
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    IDK, there might be custom profiles that you can create, install it and dig in :)
     
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    I can see the allure of lowering frames in slower, non-twitch games from like 100 to 60. There is no reason I need to play XCom2 or Dragon Age: Inquisition at 100+fps. In fact, I enable VSync in games like this because I play with a wireless controller anyway; the input lag is pissing in the ocean, then.

    Bbut I still don't understand why anybody would want less than 60fps in even a slow, turn-based RPG.

    I know everybody's eyes are different, but I can absolutely notice it every single time my FPS dips below 60 and it is distracting as all hell. If your laptop has G-Sync, this effect is probably lowered by a significant amount, however.

    I mean, even if I'm just talking to some character in an RPG, or staring at the beautiful skyboxes in Inquisition, if my drivers suddenly decided to cut my FPS to 40, I'd be pretty annoyed by that. It's noticeable. It's a very noticeable compromise.
     
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    Heh. I have an old Acer all-in-one that has a TN LCD, which I've overclocked to 100 Hz. Coming back to my 13.3" notebook with a practically locked-to-60 IPS display, I can see the stutter. I play Witcher 3 on medium settings at 30 FPS. It hurts, but it's playable.
     
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    I gotta be honest with you, I couldn't handle 30fps. For some reason it's just super noticeable on PC games, even though consoles run at 30fps.

    If the only way I could run a game was at 30fps, I'd sooner not play it and add it to my wish list to get when computer technology had passed that game engine by, lol.

    That's what I did with Dragon Age Inquisition. My old PC couldn't handle it, so I just waited a few years until I had naturally upgraded to one that could, bought the GOTY for $5 and am now playing it at max details.
     
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    Haha, I know, eh? Once you see > 60 FPS, you can't go lower. As for me, I've seen the smoothness of high refresh rates, and I am adamant about also having the contrast and colour accuracy of IPS, so I will wait for a reasonably-priced > 100 Hz, 25" IPS monitor. 13" has gotten too small, and I have free neck and shoulder pain to show for it. :(
     
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    Yeah 60 FPS is my minimum. I can notice up to near 90 FPS. Beyond that, I can't notice much difference between 90 and 144Hz.
     
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    I haven't installed GFE in awhile, I may have some time this week and I can compare with the dozens of BF1 sessions I have recorded. I'm at 115 FPS and I don't really need GFE screwing with my settings but it would be interesting to see what it does.
     
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    NVIDIA WhisperMode Tested - Quieter Gaming for Notebooks
     
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    This Quite mode seems like a whole lot of fuss over nothing. Just go to RTSS and limit your frames to 30fps if you're that concerned about noise. Big whoop.
     
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    GFE also uses game settings changes to reduce CPU / GPU load temps and therefore fan noise.

    Last I read Nvidia had over 400 Whisper Mode game profiles created, and they are still adjusting them from owner feedback as in the video.
     
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    I don't even know what to think about this.
     
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    The 1080 Max-Q drops to 700Mhz? Why would you even bother?
     
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    Nvidia Whisper Mode similar to Nvidia Battery Boost reduces game settings and frame rate to accomplish a goal, quiet + extend battery.

    How Much Battery Does Nvidia’s BatteryBoost Save Your Gaming Laptop?
     
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    I did my own Nvidia Whisper Mode like settings by enabling Battery Boost, Adaptive Refresh rate and disabled Shader Cache and enabled in game Vsync. Game hovers between 30-60 FPS w/o lags.
     
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    I created my own quiet and cool profile by undervolting my GTX 1080 all the way down to 0.800v and downclocking to 1733MHz. Then Clocked my CPU @ 4.4GHz and undervolted by -0.140. Barely loose an performance (about 7%)

    Run quiet and cool (60's) under load
    [​IMG]
     
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    Mine is 980m, cant undervolt but underclock does wonders; several drops in temps w/ constant FPS of 60.
     
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    Cripple the performance... And you call it Wonders? :bigconfused: Nvidia's engineers should see you now :vbbiggrin: Same also those who design the cooling used in laptops.
     
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    Give it a rest, you can clearly see the topic is WhisperMode and tuning for low noise, so that's what we are doing here, not tuning for highest performance.
     
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    He call it <does wonders> :rolleyes: Same as Max-Q is tuned designed for low noise. And I'm sure I can read.
     
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    Tuning your laptop for the mode you want to run it in has been going on for a long long long time, and it has nothing to do with Nvidia Max-Q Design.

    Nvidia has put into a GFE feature Whisper Mode that has the same things we have been doing with reducing frame rate and game settings to reduce CPU / GPU load to reduce fan noise, or even heat for those in temperate regions where the ambient temperature starts affecting game play.

    There's nothing wrong with it, get off the PERFORMANCE ABOVE ALL shouting box, and get real.
     
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    But this has started to be more trendy now, due all the talk about Max-Crippled :cool:
     
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