On the other side of the fence AMD seems to develop a habit of throwing more GDDR5 into anything middle/high range. Between the 8GB 390 which ironically has double the VRAM of Fiji V1 and the new 32GB FirePro I get the feeling there might be a overstock problem among AIB partners or something.
But wait a minute, the high density GDDR5 dies are different from the old ones. Where did all those dies come from? And who makes that enormous 2G B die for the S9170? Did something happen to GDDR5 availability which enabled both NV and AMD to design those configs?
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Hello bit new here, figured id throw my two cents into the ring.
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Just give me full GM204 2048 cores on a 980MX, and I'll be happy. Both realistic and a fair improvement over the 980M.
Just FYI: It would be around 30% better, give or take some depending on the game.Last edited: Jul 21, 2015Cakefish likes this. -
In all honesty im inclined to share that sentiment with you. lol i have a 765m in my machine now and im planning to upgrade, id like to get something big and beefy for my next computer.
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In the event that all the posted rumor information turns into fact the power requirements, the cost, the potential heating issues, all seem to point towards the same group as Titan buyers... who are also into mobile. Sounds like a very limited run. A refresh round of their maxwell cards would have been more interesting to me than this card.
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Yeah, the power limits are way too much for the average 15.6" 980M notebook, which is really disappointing.
I mean, I'd be fine with it if they also were making a slightly less power hungry chip that could sit in between the 980M and this Titan-class GPU.
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I just hope that the continued focus on effeciency will one day allow parity between consumer mobile and desktop gpu's. A pipe dream probably but apparently the gap has been closing quite well.
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I think NVIDIA will continue the trend that mobile cards perform like last-generation desktop cards. If that remains true, the 1080M (Pascal) should perform close to the 980Ti. And because of this, I think Pascal desktop GPU's will jump pretty far ahead of mobile, in regards to performance - the gap will widen.
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baaaahhhhh, I hope they manage to keep it similar in performance. i get pestered enough as is for showing up to lan parties or shopping for gaming notebooks.
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Then the "magical" iPad was introduced and almost every pundit expected it to be another Steve Jobs flop like the G4 Cube and the no-button Shuffle, just an oversized, horribly overpriced iPod Touch.
The rest, as they say, is history.
Meanwhile, ~195 million tablets were sold in 2013 and ~216 million were sold in 2014. Gartner expects tablet sales to surpass personal computer sales this year:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_computer (and search for "Market Share")
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On a sort-of-OT-yet-somewhat-related note: Intel's stock hit its 52 week low today. Might be a good time to pick up some shares if you're into the stock market.
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Wow, just found this thread, 990M with 2500 cores - mighty impressive for 28nm mobile! I would like to see this happen, unfortunately likely to be incompatible with my notebook, just like the 980M/970M!
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Some "news" about Skylake..
http://www.fanlesstech.com/2015/07/exclusive-skylake-boost.htmlLast edited: Jul 24, 2015 -
A, some catchy marketing buzzwords. But the "exclusive" informations state an cpu improvement of "up to" 10% which is the same than for previous generations. You'll always find one benchmark which will prove this. Especially since it isn't connected to any other information like "same MHz".
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However the more important question is to what extent parity will be required for feasible mobile gaming the next three to five years, or alternatively to what extent developers will capitalize on high-end desktop hardware. Which remains questionable as the console hardware still plays an important role in game design, it's still largely a 'let's design for console and see what extra's we can have on PC' over a more preferable 'design for PC, scale down on console'.
After all, the biggest innovation, if you can call it that, on desktop gaming is simple going 4K, I cant remember any particular graphics technology that amazed me the last couple of years. So if laptop gaming stays at 1080p (which it should imo as the added-value of a 4K resolution on 15inch or even 17inch is high questionable aside from stat drooling, just my 2c), it can remain very competitive performance wise. -
FWIW, I don't agree that "design for PC and scale down on console" is in any way preferable unless you want the console version to tank and take the studio's reputation and profitability with it. Game tanks, studio dies, no more games for any platform from that studio. All gamers lose.
Except screens. 4K is the evolution of a throwback. 1080p, so-called "Full HD". It originally is part of a digital broadcast TV specification that was drafted in the early 1990s. It's since become a marketing gimmick intended to distract you from the fact that you're getting less than what you could have had.
Behind me, on my other desk, is an old, pre-HD LCD monitor. It's 1600x1200. Think about that. My 15-year-old monitor is within 0.1MP of Full HD. High definition was definitely an improvement for television but for computer displays? Nope. It was parity. We've been stuck with that because consumers who don't know better see it as superior to their old TVs, which it is, but not inferior to the real top-end high resolution displays, which they don't even know exist.
You can point fingers at AMD dropping the ball for why nVidia haven't been pushing their envelope. I disagree; that's only part of it. CGA -> VGA -> SVGA -> XGA -> whatever, the more or less steady progression of increasing display resolutions was a driving force behind GPU performance improvements. That stopped around 2005 when monitor resolutions stopped increasing. There have been some exceptions, notably from Apple, but for the most part computer displays have been 1280x720, 1920x1080, and occasionally 1330x768 for the past decade. Then we got blind-sided by Hollywood pushing 4K, playing up the mass consumer perception that 4K is better than their old HDTVs, in order to drive HDCP adoption and higher content prices. -
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anyone think instead of a 990m, they will just do a 1080m and add a 1070m and what not? seems kind of odd that people who buy the second best option for notebooks will have to wait almost 2 years to even upgrade
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The 1000 series is for Pascal. There probably won't be a GTX 990M unless they release a GTX 990. They went out of their way, skipping 800 series desktop cards, to match the naming schemes of mobile and desktop. I doubt they'd intentionally screw that up again.
I've always wanted a GTX 970MX (1664 cores) and GTX 980MX (2048 cores). Should put us in the realm of GTX 970 and GTX 980 performance. In my opinion, this seems reasonable, as for speculating about what will happen this year (if anything). It may be smart for them to launch these two cards in case of delays of Pascal and HBM2. It'll hold off the enthusiasts and fanboys for a while.
For those who don't yet know, the current 980M performs like a GTX 780 (or GTX 970). So, this would be a nice jump.Last edited: Jul 27, 2015Phase likes this. -
Pascal is a year out, more or less. A 2015 Maxwell refresh that is compelling enough to to tempt buyers now will harm Pascal sales next year. No way are nVidia going to intentionally do anything to make their next architecture look bad.
Besides, it's too late to launch a new product line. Skylake is shipping in a few weeks. Vendors have been taking pre-orders for the past month. If nVidia had a new line then it would have been announced back in April or May so as to ride the Skylake hype train through the 2015 holidays. That didn't happen. -
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Pascal is slated for when in 2016 though? If it's not really early 2016, then that's quite a long time to wait with nothing new being released. I think if Pascal is not released before end of Q1 that they'll want to bring some new products onto the market in the form of Maxwell.
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nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread
Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, May 9, 2015.