nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

Yeah I have to question the info Notebookcheck got:

- Soldered only. Why? Whats the point? Nvidia won`t be able to sell the chip to MSI or Clevo, to big notebook OEMs. If they were going to use it, they had to rebuild the notebook from scratch with new motherboard, BIOS and everything. Not to mention it completely changes procedures regarding warranty issues if the soldered GPU goes to hell etc. And they lose the upgrade path they could offer for their customers. Plus other stuff I cant remember right now

The only reason I can think off that a 990M would be soldered is if its a GM200 chip with the first mobile 384-bit bus. With a soldered core on the motherboard they would have room to route all memory controllers to enough VRAM chips. Its not enough room on the MXM cards for that.
But would that be a financial wise move for Nvidia?

- 100W to 185W TDP.
A) The performance difference between a 100W and 180W GPU will be so big that one of them would be running the cores on so low clocks the silicon is wasted. They could have just as well used a smaller chip with less cores and higher clock.
B) 185W TDP is basically almost impossible for any OEM to cool off.

 

@MOrdresh, beautiful explanation, I consider myself a car enthusiast so you got me pretty good there.
@Fastidious Reader , sadly crysis 4 will never happen but as I said the 780m, 880m, 970m and 980M SLi still pack a serious punch and I don't see myself upgrading my 880ms for at least 3 years. That being said, if the 990m does live up to the expectation, it might just be my next GPU although I'll be waiting for a price drop cause I ain't shelling 3200USD for them. Maybe our cards will live up through the witcher 4 who knows

 

Soldered GM200?

 

We popping up 114 pages later under NDAs out here

 

I maintain that Ethrem is just yanking our chains and seeing who falls for it while having a chuckle to himself

 

I knew you would spill the beans and not get in trouble...

 

You can't get Prema in trouble, he's a magical BIOS-writing phoenix-person.

MAGIC

 

If you have 880M SLI, you are fine for at least a few more years, just use 1080p display, forget about 4k. In my case the reason I'm willing to spend a bit more is because I only upgrade every 5 years or so. Otherwise, it's a waste of money.

Laptop components and drives last longer than they used to and there aren't many demanding applications that won't run reasonably well on a 3-year old or 4-year old machine. For most usage scenarios, even gaming, there is no reason to buy a new laptop every year...

...unless you are a Mac user. I have a friend who buys a new MBP every single year and sells his old one for nearly the same price. The resale value is so high on those, he swears he comes out ahead somehow with the way he expenses the depreciation. Doubt you could do that with any other brand, though.

 

So you are planning on buying the 990ms then? I would suggest you to wait for a price drop. Well the 980m SLi ain't gonna be able to play at 4K cause both cards struggle above 2K. Actually, I don't play on my 1080p monitor cause I just bought a 1440p external monitor. Personally there is not much of a difference between both res but no major hit in performance, I would say 5-10fps lost at ultra settings. I did test a few games @4K (NVIDIA DSR) and while it looks impressive, it's just not practical. I do achieve playable fps at low-medium settings though.

 

haha thats insane! apple users are just sooooo gullable....

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To me AW18 is sooo niche. It's too big and too heavy to lug it around on a regular basis, i would probably even have hard time taking it to a business trip. It would probably work for a student (quite a rich student) or someone who move houses a lot but i can see SFF being better in terms of performance and not really being that much bigger. Surely pc would need a monitor but spending months gaming on a small screen sounds like a waste of 980 SLI since experience is hardly immersive. I d rather have one 980 and buy a monitor every time i move. Just thinking aloud here, guess it really depends on what you are used to.

 

I can see your point, and i agree. though I though i guess im colored by bias. for me having everything wrapped up in a nice all in one package is the best solution, i move about quite a bit, going off to see friends, taking it to work and i spend about a week out of each month at my dad's house. when i get home i plug it into a moniter or tv and i enjoy the bigger form factor.



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Although Alienware 18 is thick, it makes up for it in excellent cooling (both performance and in noise).

 

It will be desktop 980 cut down for mobile. Not soldered only. End of story.

 

For me the most important thing is upgrading to Skylake CPU from Clarksfield and 64GB RAM would be quite nice for speeding up render times. I can wait another month to see if 990M is available in the P750DM, otherwise I suppose I'll go with 980M (or perhaps the new K6000M). As it will include TB3 port, I can always try eGPU at some point.

It's interesting that modern society has placed this stigma on used goods when for many buyers a one-year old laptop, tablet or television is going to serve them just as well as a one-year old car or some other machinery. I doubt our agrarian ancestors would have distinguished between, say a five year-old ox plow vs a brand new one.

I understand Moore's Law and all that, but consumer needs simply haven't been evolving to match the pace of advances in integrated circuitry. A five or six year old budget laptop or tablet is probably quite powerful enough for most users.

Somewhere around the mid 2000s, the usage needs of the average consumer got sort of frozen in time. Since this time they haven't really needed any further horsepower to compose emails, watch HD videos or upload funny cat pictures to Facebook.

Cosmetic trends in external appearance seem to be a larger factor in persuading people to upgrade. Perhaps we will reach a turning point in usage needs where more consumers will be generating their own media content, editing videos or running other sorts of demanding applications, games, etc.

Or maybe eventually all that will be rendered in the cloud and we will all pay monthly for our data and server CPU utilization as we upload cat pictures from our flimsy tablets and VR goggles.

 

It's all relative though, I heard the AW18 can dish out up to 53dB at load. Not sure if that's the norm on this laptop for every typical gaming session. My Aorus cant be beat on that lol, can max out at 58dB according to tests, though in my opinion once your at the 50 dB mark, fan noise will be fan noise. Put on that headset and rock on.

 

40dB during gaming. 53dB is during Prime95 and Furmark running at the same time which is more like a test to show what the maximum noise the fans in a notebook is capable of producing lol

 

Fan noise is the reason I can't game on notebooks with open headphones. I think more than anything else, noise is the one aspect where notebooks lag behind desktops the most.

 

I agree with that. l have open headphones too, that why play GW2 with 30fps cap. Coupled with undervolting this keeps CPU around 70° most of the time, even on max settings @ 1920x1200. As long as CPU is at that level, the fans are barely noticeable.
Someone here said auto fans is not made for gaming. To me however its what makes gaming possible on this/a laptop.


On my old ''Robin" the fans always blew my ears away while playing GW2. I was honestly not having fun due to that and barely touched GW2. Its funny how the desktop CPU results in less noise, where the naive expectation would be more noise from more heat. The better cooling system plays its part too I admit.

 

Its a sacrifice you make when you buy a thin notebook.
Very difficult to find quiet notebooks though which is easy to build with desktops.

I recommend Asus G751, MSI GT72 or Alienware 18 if you want a powerful gaming system that is not noisy. I think those three are the best in that regard.

 

Even users of their inferior locked down phones

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No, it's a sacrifice you make with gaming notebooks in general. Even thick ones are relatively loud compared to desktops. My old G73JH (40dB max P95+FM) is quieter than the current models you listed and it was still very audible when the fans ramped up under load.

 

This thread is a great resource. Discussion of anything from aliens to sound.

 

Damn, Lenovo. Looks like the Y50/Y70 got swole.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/High-e...GTX-980-GPU-may-be-in-the-works.148363.0.html

 

fan noise is one of the reasons i can't let go of my Cryo LX cooler. i also believe that it is the reason why my 480M is still so healthy (knock on wood). i don't think my GPU has ever seen past 78*c or 79*c.

i much rather prefer hearing the constant, soft "whoosh" of my cooler than my laptop's fan kicking in at high speeds. i've heard laptops that sound like they're about to explode when the OEM fans are under heavy load.

 

I still say if I have a fan on in my room or are playing anything from speakers, you can't hear my laptop's fans even at max.

And I'm so happy about that.

EXCEPT I WOULD GET BETTER COOLING IN AN INSTANT YEAHHH *metal music*

 

"Loud" is subjective.

Again, "very audible" is subjective.

My AW18 wasnt loud or very audible at all. It had a nice calming whoosh sound actually.
Just looking at dB measurements doesnt give the full picture either. It depends greatly on the quality of the fan and the frequency it output. For example my MSI GT70 goes to 47dB during gaming, but I didnt find it loud at all.
It had a whoosh sound rather than the whiiiine sound you find on many thin notebooks with smaller wheels.

 

Too bad not everyone is in such a noisy environment amirite ? We have to suffer with our gaming laptops being the loudest thing in the room.

You mean MSI of Turbo Fan/Cooler Boost/jet engine fame who you ranted about after getting your AW18? Lel. You seemed to have changed your tune.

And the AW18, didn't you get rid of it because it was too loud for you after upgrading to 970M's and having to run the 2nd GPU fan at max? Again you seemed to have changed your tune.

It doesn't matter what your opinion of loud is, my point is gaming laptops are louder relative to desktops, esp. when the latter are much easier to optimize for noise output, both location/proximity from the user and component choice (giant heatsinks and radiators, much larger fans spinning at lower RPM, padded noise-dampening cases, etc.). Anyway this is just me griping about an area where gaming laptops could use massive improvement, but if the old G73JH's acoustics are anything to go by, things are only getting worse not better, just look at the thin-and-lights which are all the rage nowadays.

 

Anymore news regarding the 990M? Any benchmarks? Anything? @Cloudfire

 

I haven't seen any, at least not on the site that I'm going all the time
But I do find some new clevo machine's information. P870DM, the replacement of P370 series. Features desktop processor and SLI mobile graphic cards. Not sure is Z170 platform or X99 platform

 

wow you just proved you have no life and searched through my posts.

The whole point of that thread was actually to try and push MSI over to dual fan which is superior. The notebook was actually not loud but I wanted to put it on the edge with comparison with a notebook with separate fans for each GPU/CPU to make my point.

derp. You are not the brightest around here I see.

AW18 didnt support Maxwell. Meaning the GPU fans ran full speed which is loud, something it never does when the notebook use a fan table with hardware it supports. You see with a proper fan table the notebook is able to adjust just enough speed on the fan to keep the GPU/CPU from going higher up in temp.

Try to read better next time you try to search in my history to try to prove anything.

 

Nothing, nada.

I don`t know what the heck is gonna happen. From rumors to soldered only, to desktop GTX 980 card inside a notebook (lol) to 185W TDP....

lol. Rumors all over the place

 

Def not X99 if the PSU still tops out at 330W, unless dual-PSU mod comes standard. Heat is a concern as well with Hotwell-E.

Didn't have to do any searching, I had those gems bookmarked.

Speaking of having no life, at least I don't scour the Internet looking for GPU leaks and crossposting rumors on many forums. I'm sure you and Google Translate must be best friends by now?

 

Exactly! If only more people were in such hot rooms that 2 fans were needed to be cool

 

Not to brag, but on my desktop the loudest thing is the water pump LOL.

Actually "loud" is the wrong adjective, it has a rather piercing mechanical ringing sound, basically what you'd hear if you had tinnitus. Luckily I'm used to it now, but it drove me bonkers when I first got my watercooling loop up and running.

 

Has there been any info from Clevo regarding a slimmer sli laptop? The np9377 or w/e is too huge for me. I'd be cool to get one around the Batman's size. If the 990m comes out, that'll be too expensive for me.

 

"slimmer sli laptop" - theres ur problem *lol* if u want sli and slim go with gigabyte aorus line, but everything's soldered there...

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You're looking for magical unicorns.

Slim + power = overheat. Clevo doesn't particularly enjoy overheating. Also, I don't know why you think the P37xSM-A is too large if you want something that's the size of a P750ZM/P770ZM. They're about the same size/thickness.

 

@Cloudfire , the AW18 supports the maxwell cards now so fan issues are a thing of the past. Besides back on to the 990m, it will def require a batcomputer to cool this "desktop 980". That's too much power ᕦ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ᕤ
in a small form factor, either the laptop is water cooled (lol) or it will require constant thermal reposting.

 

So anyone here who wants to take a stab at this news:

How will they fit a GTX 980 pcb inside a notebook?

What cooling system inside a notebook could deal with a desktop GPU?

Could this pave the way for bigger GM200/GP100 GPUs inside notebooks in the future?

Extremely interesting if Lenovo pull this off! Might revolutionize notebooks

http://www.notebookcheck.net/High-e...GTX-980-GPU-may-be-in-the-works.148363.0.html

 

The AW18 R2 apparently supports the i7-4790 and i7-4790K... as well as the i7-4710MQ, and uses the HM87 chipset, and sells with 3GB 970Ms/4GB 980Ms, but advertises "two 980Ms for 16GB combined GDDR5 memory". And apparently an i7-4790K is +$900 from a 4710MQ.

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What?

AW18 is only available with up to 4940MX and 8GB 980M GPUs. 4GB 980M is the soldered version that the AW17/15 use.

Where have you seen 4790K?

Back to the Lenovo rumor. Price reduction for a desktop GPU would be great. $500 GTX 980 instead of $900 GTX 980M.
Plus perhaps Lenovo found a way to replace/upgrade the GPU too? Excellent way to overcome the soldered only future Nvidia tries to force upon the notebook world

I can for example see a 3-fan notebook. 1 for the GPU cores and 1 for the VRM and GDDR5 and 1 for the CPU. All three fans are very beefy with low RPM but move a lot of air. And the notebook itself is AW18 type of thick.

Exciting times ahead if this rumor is true

 

Trust you to turn a bizarrely confusing situation into a lulz-fest.

@Cloudfire, the confusion's already on the US website. Perplexingly hilarious.

 

NVIDIA = Alienware
NVIDIA Speculation = Alienware Speculation

 

HOLY F....

So it is true? Alienware have no begun offering desktop CPUs as well?
"Turbo boost up to 4.4GHz" is exactly what 4970K can do. 4940MX doesnt go that high so it can`t be a typo.

That price premium over 4710MQ must be because they are using a different motherboard to get the right socket as well as you get a new CPU

 

It doesn't make sense. Why 4790k now? Why soldered 980M's?

 

4790K now - evidently the P7XXZM has eaten into their market share for their alienwares more than they expected, so they had to answer to say come back
Soldered 980M - To deal with the extra heat. Soldered has more headroom for heat! Period! This is why the Broadwell mobile went to HQ soldered!

Edit: also, with soldered they can control more and integrate it into a single bios, or any number of other reasons. I primarily think it is a heat issue, but it could be to prevent OC with the new heat of the CPU, etc. to prevent RMAs

 

There could be a possibility of a MXM 4GB GTX 980M here guys

4790K because what ajc explains and because they therefor avoid soldered CPUs which mobile CPUs will be all about now. Sick move Alienware

 

Great point on the mobile cpus being soldered. That means a different MB for each variation. This could be a pain and result in purchasing the wrong amount of each board. Putting in different CPUs on two MB variants, one for mobile, one for desktop, cuts that issue down significantly.

 

I don't see why they can't pull it off, as the AW18 is so much larger than the P750ZM and P770ZM.

Nearly an entire inch thicker (2.23" vs 1.3"), more width and length as well as 12.1 lbs compared to 7.5lbs for the Clevo.