nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

So Clevo and Alienware both using desktop i7-4790Ks.
Lenovo apparantly moving towards desktop GTX 980 (if true) in their notebooks.
Big changes coming to notebooks.

wow. I sure hope they are prepared with a decent cooling system.

Yep, you are right. The AW18 is very thick and big for sure. I guess the move from 57W 4940MX to 88W i7-4970K isnt that big really.

I still hope they are upgrading the heatsinks and perhaps moving to bigger fans to accomodate though, just to be safe and to reduce noise and increase airflow. Its still a closed thin box compared to desktops.
Man the Clevo/Alienware guys gonna have much fun overclocking and stuff now

 

With the upcoming release of Fury Nano (175W TDP), next years laptops could see desktop CPUs with desktop performance GPUs easily! Both are going to HBM2, but AMD seems better at DirectX12 with less optimized drivers than Nvidia (look for the article about Nvidia complaining it is the code, not their driver/hardware). It will be leaps next year. Also, Intel is claiming Skylake iGPU with 1teraflop; AMD is claiming Zen APU (early 2017) with up to 32GB HBM2 and 4teraflop. Things are going to get insane in the next 2 years!

 

Yeah next year with 16nm GPUs from Nvidia plus finally AMD joining the fight with a completely new architecture for mobile will be pretty interesting.

But even now, or hopefully in a month or two, if GTX 990M is launched, 4790K plus GTX 990M SLI will be sweet

Might have to change my signature...

 

The only things I've read on the 990m speculation is that IT WILL BE SOLDERED! NO MXM! As I've already bought this machine, I wouldn't sell it just to buy a soldered, non-upgradable soldered 990m, even if it performs as 980m sli! I'll wait to see if a 1080m MXM (or AMD equivalent greenland) shows up!

 

TB3 eGPU!?

 

The way I read it the GPU is inside the notebook?

External GPUs is nothing new. Both MSI and Alienware have their little lame GPU box (well its not small though lol)

Notebookcheck claims that yes. I hope its not true and its on MXM

 

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2015/08/e...ing-nvidia-amd-graphics-card-war-on-its-head/
Since talking about eGPUs, check this out! the 290X beating a 980Ti in DirectX12

edit: http://arstechnica.co.uk/gaming/201...ly-win-for-amd-and-disappointment-for-nvidia/

 

omg id laugh my butt off if the 990M is just named gtx 980 cuz THATS what itll be @eGPU

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I already know all of what you said, so that doesn't help answer my question.

I'd rather have the 4940MX and 980M 8GB than 4790k and 980M 4GB. My bet is on the website just not being updated properly. They've made some serious mistakes in the past on the website. This wouldn't be the first time.

 

Why they still keep a 4710MQ up there while they switch other options with 4790 and 4790K. That's two completely different socket size.
And soldered graphic card should be able to do 980m with 8G and 970m with 6G. Gigabyte's P35 and P37 series can tell you that. Unless that's what Alienware want the size of graphic memory to be like that

 

AH! Misunderstood. So the real question is why they only give 4GB of VRAM... Because they like huffing paint!!!!

 

My guess:

A LOT of copy paste gone wrong there for the Alienware...they must have panicked and reviewed the old model over the weekend before Clevo announces their new fully upgrade-able Skylake models (no there is no new 18" from Clevo).
I must admit, if true, that's a heck of a fancy way to market a BIOS update...

 

This is what I am seriously hoping to be the case when it comes to the vRAM spec for the Alienware 18, because we could stand to benefit from the additional vRAM when it comes to poor PC ports with texture streaming bottlenecks.

 

Well last fall, Alienware advertised and sold overclocked i7-4940MXs in the 17 R1 and 18 to a top speed of 4.4 GHz. Same goes for the i7-4710MQ (as shown in the screenshot) and the i7-4910MQ (upto 4.1 GHz).

 

I wonder why they even plan to invest in Z97. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a Z170 chipset with the i5-6600k and i7-6700k, DDR4, etc.?

They're a bit behind the curve.

 

Alienware see, Clevo do?

 

More like, " Alienware see, Alienware do, one year after Clevo don't."

 

one thing is for certain: i have no idea when i wanna buy my new laptop now.

 

Never.

 

Well if I were you, I would just build my own rig. Gaming laptops are ridiculously overpriced, not hating but god damn minimum 2000USD for a brand new laptop. Yes, they can be powerful especially if you get an sli rig like mine or the 980ms. While on the topic of the 990m, so you telling me this gpu is speculated to be 20% faster than a 980. Hmmmm that's interesting! How much does it cost, oh my 1600USD each (a desktop 980 costs about 500USD). Two of these cards will certainly deliver extreme performance far superior to any SLi rig out now but the thing is with that much dosh, I might as well build a water cooled quad sli Titan x rig which would completely annihilate any SLi gaming laptops. It will have a longer lifespan too due to the extreme abundance of raw power. A gaming laptop like mine only has 2-3 years in it compared to the 10-15 years a quad sli Titan x rig has. 2-3 years for a 3000+ USD rig, let that sink in. No more gaming laptops for me. Ohhhh and did I mention that a Quad sli Titan x rig IS 8K READY :'(

 

If you're buying a "gaming laptop", my honest advice would be to just build a desktop if mobility isn't an absolute requirement. Unless Alienware/Clevo/MSI surprises us this year, the future of laptop gaming is grim.

 

I left lulz before sleeping, woke up to lulz.

Success is complete =D.

 

So you did it for the lulz, literally.

 

Yeah but there might not be a fitting motherboard supporting Skylake available to put inside notebooks yet.

i7-6700K and DDR4 would be the bomb for sure

Its the 4790K. Its confirmed on facebook
https://www.facebook.com/Alienware?fref=ts

"The 18 comes packed with the option for either dual NVIDIA 970M GPU’s or dual NVIDIA 980M GPU’s and we've also updated the CPU’s with the 4th generation Intel K-series processors."

 

Dell Mystery Coupons, por favor! 30% off would be nice.

 

I was more or less responding to your clock speed statement of the i7-4940MX, not which the CPU would be used.

 

If true, strangest move by AW to release a new board just to support the old desktop chips...

Clevo's new 6th gen desktop Skylake Notebooks with DDR4 are just around the corner...no 18" model though...

 

Already? Damn. Yeah then I don`t know.
Clevo lead, Alienware follow I guess?

Well they say its a "limited edition" for the AW18 with 4790K. Perhaps they upgrade once the inventory is empty? I sure hope so

 

MSI also already has Skylake-K notebooks (and ASUS should follow soon):

http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/85703-intel-launch-unlocked-skylake-k-processors-laptops/

 

Asus, MSI, Alienware and Clevo are all moving toward socket desktop CPUs.

Awesome for notebooks

 

of course mobility is a requirement. after all, we are on a laptop forum...

plus, i just prefer the form factor of a nice laptop over the wires, and clutter, of a desktop.

i don't even play any PC games at the moment ... well ... a more accurate statement would be: there aren't any interesting PC games to play at the moment. that's the main reason why i'm not in any rush to order a new laptop yet. i can wait and see what these different companies have to offer before i make a decision. i will be going with another Sager, though, since my first experience has been mostly positive.

 

Well then, why don't you buy a decent laptop and build a monster PC. You've got travelling covered so it's literally the best of both worlds. Plus a desktop is upgradable for LIFE whereas a gaming laptop is upgradable only for like 3 generation of GPUs and it's hella difficult to do that.

 

lettuce be cereal ... that is definitely NOT the best of both worlds. i like buying a decked out 17-incher with the top of the line single GPU-setup every 2-3 years. my NP8850 is almost 4 years old and functioning better than the day i got it. i couldn't think of a SINGLE reason why i would even build a desktop. trust me ... i've been thinking about building a $3k-$4k+ desktop system for years now.

plus, who the heck wants to stare at the same box for LIFE? i've never met a single gamer or enthusiasts that doesn't like to change up the looks of his/her setup(s).

 

Those are using an unlocked (MX/XM is now just K) mobile Skylake BGA (HK) chip, not LGA Desktop versions like the Clevos...

 

Strap in some LEDs and put a bobblehead on your desk? or just put stickers on your rig. What about triple monitor setup?

 

See, the only "desktop" I would build is an htpc similar to LEET's design using an origin AE s21t with a 12.1" touch screen case, dual fury x2 (or the newest and best dual gpu cards at the time), a ceton infinitv 6 tv tuner, one of the highest enthusiast class chips and MB, all water cooled. But that is also the new set top box, game system, media player for the living room that also matches a nice receiver and amp for a sound system.

 

now they just need to make 6 core desktop cpu laptops cheaper and more practical. lol

 

Since when? Last I heard, only Clevo is putting socketed desktop Skylake CPUs in their upcoming -DM series single GPU and SLI notebooks. All the other OEMs are sticking with BGA mobile CPUs. The unlocked Skylake laptop CPU referenced in the Hexus article (i7-6820HK I think?) is still BGA like every other mobile CPU.

The desktop i7 in the AW18 configurator is probably a typo.

 

Yes! =D

As far as I was able to find out, nobody is allowed to make new MQ boards anymore. It's why even machines like the GT80 and GT72 have HQ chips, despite having the size and other factors necessary to deal with the socketed CPUs. For AW to be using MQ, they'd have to be using their old AW18 boards. It still doesn't explain the huge price markup from using desktop chips, since the default MQ line isn't supremely cheap.

I can't quote the part of your line that's quoted, but the XM/MX chips are essentially "K" chips. It is nothing new, except for the letter "K" attached to them. And again, if they're TDP-locked like the current HQ chips are, then they are 500000000000000000000% pointless, because the TDP required for anything beyond stock would just throttle the CPU like crazy. Hell, even WITH stock speeds and no undervolts on haswell, it's easy to pass the 47W limits on my 4800MQ; far less the 4980HQ clocked 300MHz higher with more voltage at stock. And the haswell CPUs are 45W instead of 47W too.

Until they come out, and it's confirmed that they act like MQ chips of old where you could run Linpack without throttling if you didn't have a neutered BIOS, assume that they're all pointless for anyone who wants proper CPU performance.

If it's true, it'd be in line with what I heard through the grapevine from in intel rep; where they expect notebook manufacturers to use desktop CPUs in the laptops if they really want to make performance notebooks. So far, Clevo's the only one who realized that people might ACTUALLY want proper CPU power with user control. Hopefully, other manufacturers will too.

 

same here.

i was actually thinking about building a HTPC for my girl's dad because he watches his movies off of those free streaming sites. the quality isn't there alot of the times on those sites.

 

Clevo has also been the only manufacturer to make these notebooks. The D470/480V models were able to use desktop P4 chips if I'm not mistaken, so Clevo have been making these laptops for 10+ years now.

Quite frankly, I don't know if I would trust other manufacturers just yet, and Clevo still remains the most logical choice for these kinds of laptops.

 

I can't think of any other than Clevo for anybody that cares about performance right now. It's really sad. I do love Clevo but they're not perfect, and competition is always good.

Also, there was once a tri-SLI clevo notebook XD

 

@D2 Ultima: yes ive heard about that tri-sli notebook! which was the model number? id love to read up on that monster

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I wish I could find it. I saw it a long time ago and it's a nice bit of trivia, but holy meowmix, it seems to be harder than anything to find. I'd quicker be able to find a free pair of 980Ms XD

 

Yeah, just don't forget to buy that cord to tie the desktop on your back and I'm sure Jack Wolfskin is looking into a solution to get that monitor fit in somewhere tied to your belly area. These "buy a desktop" recurring episodes every now and then are as useless and pointless as suggesting a Porsche 911 GT3 on an off-road car forum...

 

Just for the record, quad-SLI Titan X performs worse than tri-SLI Titan X.

But I get your point. @PC GAMER, @M0rdresh

 

Just giving my 2 cents on the matter and who said you can't use a Porshe for off-road driving ( ͡o ͜ʖ ͡o)

 

No one should say that (I admit this isn't like off-road rocks and stuff.. but Porsche has a 911 rally car) Lots of tarmac but enough dirt..

 

and the porsche hatchback rally cars do very well also!!!

 

This thread is awesome.