nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

Seriously? Wow, Intel must think the professional market is even dumber than average laptop consumer.

EDIT: *checks hype level for mobile Xeon on creative sites* - nvm, I guess we are that dumb!

 

I think they may also have a separate tdp setting for avx instructions to prevent throttling. I know e5 has that, but can't remember if e3s have it also.

 

Yep, creative ppl aren't always the most tech-savvy from what I've seen firsthand. No wonder you're the only ones giving a big whoop about mobile Xeon . Xeon E3 has always been rebranded i7's with ECC and no iGPU (on some models). Gamers have known this for years, hence the number buying Xeons instead of i7's to save a buck.

 

Are you sure it's different TDP? They have different non-AVX/AVX turbo clocks. But the TDP (or targeted power draw) seems to be the same.

 

@ssj92 Agreed, more cores does not necessarily translate to increased performance in gaming. Actually, when compared, systems with an overclocked 4790k actually performed better than that of a system with an overclocked 5960x because games do not properly utilize more than 4 cores. However, with DX12, this will change over the next year or two as games are developed specifically for and around DX12.

It seems all these new notebooks contain 970M and 980M cards. No sign of the 990M as of yet. That's definitely not good!

 

still need to be patient until end of september for the release of the 990M...also, it has been said that the aw18 will be refreshed next year, so theres still hope! unless they decide to turn it into a BGA turd as well...

 

So much for desktop processor?

 

We've always seen leaks by now. 680M, 780M, 880M, 980M, etc. all had leaks at least one month before.

I read that the GTX 990 is planned to launch early next year before desktop Pascal. So, maybe the 990M is expected very late this year (i.e. November or December), or very early next year. At this point, we're coming back to pure speculation.

One thing we know: New systems coming out next month all have the 970M and 980M.

 

By who?

 

it was either here or in the aw18 refresh maxwell thread, i think the latter. it was a member having talked to an AW rep / person... of course not sure if this is accurate

 

I mentioned there is possibility for 2016 version aw18

 

I'm sure they will bring it back... They just released a YouTube video. Why bring it back for a few months just to dump it?

Anyway, this thread isn't about Alienware. I honestly want to know if there's going to be a 990M or not. Kind of tired of looking at this thread every day waiting to see something legitimate, lol. NVIDIA hasn't even acknowledged its existence.

 

Yup. Saw this first hand back in college. They forced us to edit videos on apple computers in the video editing computer lab. Every student had a macbook pro. My i3 asus laptop with 4gb of ram rendered the same videos faster than the desktop macs we had to use, yet everyone laughed at me for using a pc. still to this day, if you look at any job listing for media production, they mention that they use apple computers to edit on. I always hear people say '' apple is for people doing creative work like video editing, photoshop, and graphic design. Plus music production.'' Apple really is good at marketing to make that whole stereotype. the other week, a customer at the apple store was saying '' I need a new video editing laptop, what should i get?'' and the apple employee told him to get the top of the line macbook pro with '' 16GB OF RAM!!!! It's over kill for video work!'' and the guy bought it on the spot for 3,400 dollars. Side note- I was rendering a 4k 5 minute video today with a bit rate of 50mbps and My computer froze and said i was low on memory. I pulled up task manager and it said 29.8gb of ram was being used out of 32gb. I hit continue and forced it to try to finish render since it was at 95 percent. Laptop froze and went black screen and shut off. haha wow.


also, I guess the 990m isn't coming since companies are releasing computers with 980ms now...

 

I meant the artsy-fartsy types in school tend to be not as well-versed in computers and current tech. Like the one guy who looked at my Task Manager and was like, "whoa your laptop has eight cores!"

My school had Dell Precisions with hexacore Xeon, 32GB RAM, Quadro, and Windows 7 FTW. Still felt slow though because no SSD.

 

No leaks so far of the 990m, perfect just perfect. I have a strong feeling that the 990m doesn't actually exist and all we are doing is just speculating and wasting time. I honestly want the 990m to be true partly because the gap in performance is just huge compared to my 880ms and thus really looking forward to upgrading. That being said, I feel it won't be based off maxwell architecture but rather the upcoming pascal architecture as nvidia said pascal is going to be 10X better than maxwell and Kepler.

 

Is rendering a video gpu or CPU intensive? Anyway, how's your super clocked 880m doing? Are you using a custom VBIOS cause I personally have tried countless times to overclock mine but they just don't want to coorporate and instead throttles.

 

10x better according to Nvidia, in an extremely limited scenario, maybe.
In gaming, not a chance.

 

Yes, I keep reminding people not to take isolated talk-points seriously. Across most recent architectural generations, the best we get in practical terms is 'over twice as powerful'. Context matters.

 

it can be both / either, depending if ure using GPGPU or CPU rendering mode

 

Hmm, new Alienware refreshes supporting R9 395X out today, no sign of 290 in AW 15, 17, 18.
No sign of the desktop processor 18.
i5 Quad core for mobile in 15, but naming scheme says its a 5th gen Broadwell.
Wondering why we didn't see AW jump straight to 6th gen (and if they aren't, they're going to lag behind again in another generation of notebooks!?)
http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/27/dell-revives-the-alienware-18-/

 

This could surely fit in a laptop right (on MXM):
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_r9_nano_preview,4.html

This thing looks tiny & has more performance than a GTX 980! Surely that would fit in a laptop or does it look smaller than it actually is?! Cooling system also doesn't look very beefy, another good sign that it could work in a laptop perhaps.

 

I'm wondering the same thing. Could be fueling the Nvidia 990m rumor. Fears of this in mxm form

 

Remember you have gtx880m .

 

I believe the whole package (interposer) is too big for the current MXM heatsink design.

 

You might be right, but I guess a new MXM standard could be developed (maybe not soon!), or offer it as a soldered unit perhaps.

 

Best picture I can find: http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2015/06/AMD-R9-FURY-vs-GTX-980-Ti-PCB-comparison.jpg

Here's the GM204 (980m) and GM200 (980Ti/Titan X): http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2015/01/NVIDIA-GK110-vs-GM200-vs-GM204-GPUs.jpg

GM200 has a much better chance coming to an MXM form factor than Fiji. The first picture was GM200 vs Fiji.

If they manage to get Fiji in MXM then that'd be a surprise.

 

Some tease for G752

 

You have to remember, it isn't just die size. The memory is on die. A cut down fury nano still could, theoretically, fit. The main issue is seating the die where it will not block the screw holes (or allowing the holes to go through the metal border of the die). Other than that, it could fit.

 

Yes, I think you're saying that Fiji won't fit within the current X-bracket space of MXM. Based on your comparison pics, looks like it's just a little too big to fit.

 

@ajc9988 Yes that's true, a simple redesigned heatsink would allow you to fit it, which I think should be done, but I doubt it will.

Maybe with Pascal next year we'll see a redesign for the MXM form factor.

@Robbo99999 Yes basically the current heatsink design limits the Fury Nano but it can fit if it was redesigned.

It will be interesting to see the future of MXM.

 

Looks like Asus found the Ugly Stick...

 

Looks interesting except for the 970M 3GB.

They found that stick many years ago my friend.

 

Video rendering is mostly CPU. That's why I'm begging for more cores in a laptop. 4 is so outdated and more and more " hipsters " are trying to get into video production because it's getting cheaper. If Intel was smart, they'd make 6core mobile CPUs. The gpu can help with 3d effects, color correction, and some animations. It just accelerates and takes extra work off he CPU. I do love the 8gb of VRAM for editing.

And I don't overclock my gpu anymore. I've had it for over a year so the thermal paste has worn off and I live near the Florida and Georgia state line, so it's 104 degrees outside right now. I just play games with vsync on and no overclocking. I only overclock if I'm benchmarking or have a loud fan from Walmart under my laptop for poops and giggles. Btw I'm using a custom video bios.

 

104°F?... let me see if I can guess this without Googling it... I guess that's around 40°C?

 

It is 40 C.
40 * 9/5 + 32 = 72 + 32 = 104.

 

Wait... so I got it spot on?

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I am an almighty deity. It has been confirmed. It is known.

 

Wow, color me impressed. Fury Nano is 100W lower than Fury X (175W vs. 275W) but only loses a little on the core clock. Everything else is intact incl. price ($650).

http://www.maximumpc.com/amd-r9-nano-revealed/

 

Yup. That's it. Plus I live about 30 minutes from one of the biggest swamps in America, so on top of the heat, the humidity is insane.

 

Repaste time, not so difficult to do so you know

 

About that price hey! They might have a little winner if they get the price right.

 

AMD is run by irredeemable fools if they don't make a mobile flagship out of this ASAP.

 

It would have to be soldered to the mainboard. MXM can't fit the size of the HBM interposer.

Also just because Fiji can be reduced from 275W to 175W doesn't mean it can be further cut down to 100W while still maintaining good efficiency and performance. That's Cloudfire logic, yo.

 

Intel has already made enough of a name for itself, so much so that I'd argue they could axe the entire enthusiast lineup overnight, and we'd still be buying their best mainstream chips because what else are you gonna do, buy an FX-9590? actually I probably would just for the lulz

It's plenty obvious to see that after Sandy Bridge, Intel stopped giving a damn about the enthusiast segment. The 5% annual improvements, the switch from solder to paste in the IHS, the terrible inconsistency/binning with Haswell chips etc

 

or time to get a 990m laptop when they come out. I mean... if

 

Although, it won't maintain that 1000Mhz on the core during gaming very often - in fact AMD have said it will maintain on average 850-950Mhz - so they haven't improved efficiency as much as we might have orginally thought - it's the reduced TDP of 175W that's calling the shots for the average core Mhz value:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2015/08/27/amd_radeon_r9_nano_video_card_paper_launch#.Vd_7V_ZViko
"AMD quoted us that average clock speeds will be between 850-950MHz." (HardOCP)

 

Yes, I posted that info in my Fury Nano thread in the desktop subforum

 

I think retooling is in order, since HBM seems to be the future. Slightly larger spacing between mounting holes and ta-da, we have a piece of awesomeness, everything else is there. Actually there would be more room left for power delivery circuity, it's up to the manufacturer if they would take advantage.

 

Would need new heatsinks too

 

Holy mother of god, 40 degrees . I thought 25 degrees was already bad enough. Isn't it uncomfortable? I mean living in 40 degrees along with extreme humidity would have gotten the best of me. I am short tempered and easily frustrated. I would have either moved out or killed myself by now. Hats off to you. Anyways, what was your highest 3dmark fire strike score? I am still using the stock VBIOS by the way so maybe that's why it throttles and sometimes randomly crashes with an overclock of +50MHz.

 

Of course. I think that's why there's a delay, retooling is not an easy task and there's even more to do before the actual retooling. You remember how much time it took nGreedia to push G-SYNC and how much time it took AMD to push FreeSync (it's harder when you deal with standards (a lot more parties are involved) than proprietary stuff). Oh, and BTW MXM Sig is nGreedia owned. Make a guess which would be the first company to hit HBM MXM module.