nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

The G752 is a redesigned chassis, and like the G750 with MXM, offers multiple VRAM configurations. I can't find where I read replaceable again, scanned a lot of stuff, I will keep looking and post an update when I find it

 

Already posted.

80% higher perf docked = throttled by 44% undocked

 

I'm curious as to why Clevo isn't jumping on the "990M" train, or maybe they're just keeping quiet?

 

G750 isn't MXM.

VRAM amount isn't an indication of MXM/BGA. MSI has low VRAM MXM cards and high VRAM BGA cards and vice-versa. Gigabyte/Aorus high VRAM cards are soldered.

 

MXM format, non-standard, MXM in G750. Fixed that for you in original post

But it is replaceable, and many have upgraded / replaced them with other Asus "MXM" removable cards.

Within the Asus laptop line their "MXM" card laptops, the G750's last, had models with different VRAM offerings because they could easily swap in different "MXM" cards.

The reason Asus gave for the G751 only having 4GB/3GB VRAM was because there wasn't room on the MB to solder on additional VRAM due to the space considerations of the design. They couldn't fit more.

Multiple Soldered VRAM models would mean multiple motherboards, one per model, not cost efficient. Plus, how do they decide how many of each MB/GPU/mem configuration to build?

Asus G752 new chassis redesign clearly made room for more VRAM, as they are offering 8GB/4GB for 980m and 6GB/3GB for 970m.

 

J.Dre, I am hoping MSI and Clevo are waiting to drop the massive SLI water-cooled "990m" flagships last in the announcement chain, letting single GPU models get some glory before dropping the top dogs

 

how long till this gets released? anyone know?

 

This is MXM:

Spoiler

This is Asus:

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Notice how no mention of MXM is given here. Just having the slot doesn't qualify it as MXM.

The G750 had different VRAM offerings because it had different GPUs. 880M/780M were 4GB. 870M/770M were 3GB. 860M/765M were 2GB.

Like you said, it's plausible that G752 could have a removable GPU again like the G750, which would make it easier to swap between different cards now that there are 5 due to 970M and 980M having variable VRAM. But I wouldn't put it past Asus for the GPU to be soldered and them having 5 different mobos, that's how dumb they are. Look at their proprietary board designs over the years, or how the G Series is still impossible (slight exaggeration) to disassemble and service unlike MSI/Clevo/non-BGA AW.

Regardless though, at the end of the day it makes very little difference whether the GPU is soldered or slotted because of Asus' proprietary board design. Most people buy the fastest GPU they can afford at the time and upgrade to a higher generation, not to a different GPU within the same generation.

 

This article answers a couple questions about the Asus GX700:
https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...r-cooled-laptop-with-an-unreleased-nvidia-gpu

"According to Asus, the water cooler is used only for the GPU, which could also mean that the graphics card is programmed for a much higher boost clock when the water cooling module is enabled."

"One key concern of many gamers is going to be whether or not the system has to use water cooling. Asus told Computerbase.de that it doesn’t, but that hooking up the water cooler and cranking up clock speeds on both the CPU and graphics card can increase performance by as much as 80%. That’s a very interesting claim — but the sheer size of that number gives us a bit of pause."

 

10DE is the vendor (nVidia), 161A is the device.

 

gee, chillax *lol* theres a reason why asus didnt even mention any specs or a name for that new gpu, cuz its still under NDA! asus just jumped the gun, presented their new laptop series with watercooling and "accidentally" left the press people to dig into the system and get some info on this as of yet unreleased gpu.
so clevo aint behind, asus just went a lil cocky here and right to the edge of their NDA with nvidia without actually crossing any legal borders

general availability was rumoured around november, so still waaaaay to go....

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octiceps, you know I meant replaceable/upgradeable GPU just like the G750 MXM - I didn't say "standard MXM" or vendor interchangeable MXM, I said G750 MXM.

But, the photo's are nice, thanks for taking the time to dig them up and post them for us.

 

The 990M laptop is aim for thanksgivings and Christmas shopping season


Boring boring Chelsea

 

Good, 'cause I'm not buying.

 

Ah it all makes sense now. Water cooling. That's how they will cool the beast.

Haha I was wrong. It happened. In 17.3" water cooled form factor granted, but it still happened. I admit that I was wrong.

I'm not interested in buying though. I don't have enough anyway but even if I did I don't think I would with Pascal coming next year and with me already having the 980M.

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See, I'm hoping with how the nano turned out that amd puts out I nice Greenland drop for mobile (or similar). I don't want to give green my cash...

Edit: especially with the drivers all year and the screens, etc. With win 10

 

Have they posted the dimensions of the GX700 anywhere? Looks pretty thin compared to other 17" models

This is the thickest part of the laptop, part that connects to the dock:

 

Can I remove all the water and replace it with liquid nitrogen?

 

I don't think this would be safe really....

 

Based on what we know so far, is this plausible?

	980	990M (Docked)	990M (Undocked)	980M
CUDA Cores	2048	2048	2048	1536
Core Clock	1126 MHz	1190 MHz	~780 MHz (?)	1038 MHz
Memory Clock	1750 MHz	1250 MHz	1250 MHz	1250 MHz
Peak Processing Power (FP32)	4612 GFLOPS	4874 GFLOPS	~3200 GFLOPS (?)	3189 GFLOPS
TDP	165W	180W (?)	100W (?)	100W

 

the info shown in directX diagnostics does show 1190Mhz for 990m and the demo machine was docked, so that's something if not 100% confirmed.

the undocked version seems about plausible, except the TDP...

 

moviemarketing, and that's the trick we are all hoping someone solves, recirculating Nitrogen Cooling.

A nitrogen pot "quick-disconnect" sticking out of your keyboard, along with the pouring apparatus, would get in the way, so a clean closed system would be needed.

It would be a really dangerous mess for the "Cryogenic Turbo pump" to fail while docked...

 

I don't think that 180W TDP would make sense. These are likely binned GM204 chips first of all, not to mention their memory clocks are lower than a desktop GTX 980. They should probably have a 125W TDP, maybe 135W max. Clock speed would probably be 950Mhz at the lowest undocked. At 780Mhz, unless it's docked, it's basically a 980M. I'm sure it will be decently faster than a 980M undocked.

 

Oh so it has Variable TDP, huh?

Interesting who ended up being right and wrong in here...

 

VRAM doesn't consume that much power plus 990M has double that of 980. I put docked 990M's TDP higher than 980 because it has a higher base clock, so I assumed it boosts higher too.

780 MHz undocked was calculated from the FLOPS since Asus said undocked 990M would have same performance as 980M. 950 MHz would make it 3891 GFLOPS which is a good bit faster than 980M (3189 GFLOPS). I don't think 100W is too low for 780 MHz. But 125-135W is too low for 1190 MHz, otherwise why make water cooling a requirement considering there are overclocked 980M's that draw that much and can be air cooled in existing notebooks?

 

Not variable TDP in the sense that naysayers were interpreting it. More like, we'll throttle the GPU by 40% when it's not butt-plugged.

 

So any idea if the price of 980m notebooks will go down? The 980m by itself has been going down quite a bit on eBay. Does that mean full notebooks should decrease in price? There's no way the 990m will really be 1,600 imo.

Also since the dropped the ball on a 17 inch 4k display, does hat mean there will be 980m SLI notebooks coming out with a 4k display? Seems more practical to me.

 

So I slept and woke up and passed the storm of this thread.

Good! =D.

If the 990M is only equal to a 980M undocked, then it's a pointless card for anyone with a currently existing machine, and while I find SLI to be going down the drain, it does not get close to defeating the purpose of 980M SLI.

 

Sager took all their SLI notebooks off their site. Could this be hinting at their 17 inch 4k Screen upgrades or the 990m in sli?


Seems odd...

 

1 - You cannot make socketed mobile CPU boards anymore
2 - You cannot continue selling a product that doesn't have CPUs to sell it with
3 - Haswell is end of life
4 - Broadwell has no sockets
5 - New machines likely with Skylake desktop CPUs will possibly take its place
6 - Why does everybody want a 4K screen
7 - 990M in SLI going by ASUS' specs is impossible single PSU unless a new larger PSU is created; hopefully using the same pin socket as the current ones and being somewhere around 500W in size hngggg *drools*

 

as mentioned before, P870DM is coming up, desktop LGA 1151 skylake with mxm sli gpus as the successor for the P37x series

 

So, 450W single PSU? Awesome.

 

haha, im guessing 330W for stock clocks and 2x330W for overclocking, business as usual

 

~150W 990M x 2 + 95W desktop CPU + 330W brick = shutdown after shutdown

980Ms which are ~100W-120W maybe are fine, but beyond that is where the problem lies.

 

dont forget: 990M has variable TDP. the watercooled GX700 runs on 180W undocked and 330W docked. no one said that youll be able to slap two 990M into the P870DM and clock it to its max 180W TDP envelope with a 330W psu

so what i meant in this scenario was actual "stock clocks" on air and not "stock clocks" watercooled

 

No way Clevo is having 990M SLI in a machine. You can't even utilize it. It'll just be gimped 990M's performing like 980M's.

I don't think Clevo will even offer the 990M. This "990M" seems to be a special GPU limited to a select few models.

 

well, it looks like nvidia may have some competition this year, this is good.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2742/radeon-r9-m395x.html



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250W TDP

 

Power draw isn't tdp. Power draw is how many ways of electricity it can use. Tdp, although also measured in watts, is talking about heat dissipation.

 

Yea, I cocked a brow at that. But hey if it works I'm not complaining. lmao

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i know right?! but still, there must be a reason why prema clearly hinted at the "990M" being compatible with the Batman models.... and if that works, there would be no good reason not to offer that card in a sli setup. in that case i could imagine a more conservative performance bump of like 10-20% compared to the 980M.

 

Being compatible and being offered are two different things... I'm sure you can upgrade to the 990M, if you wish.

I can see them offering a single-GPU system with it, but I doubt they'll have SLI. It requires a large ass PSU.

 

A twerking cow kill it with fire.
The 990m is sounding more like a gimmick than an actual performance card. First off, you'll need a big ass water-cooled radiator just for that thing to not melt down due to the enormous amount of power it packs. Secondly, it will most likely be throttled by the 330W PSU if a 780m, 880m and 980m are already. Thirdly, the price is just downright ridiculous. One thing is for sure though, I am not buying this thing much less upgrading what I already have. Not enough dosh plus pretty much any setup right now should be able to play games for at least 2-3 years given proper Sli support and optimisation.

 

looking forward to actual performance numbers on this thing, especially at the different TDP levels. only then can we judge this thing properly

 

That page is pretty much a copy-paste of their m295x page. We don't know all of the specs of the R9 m395x, and the first laptop that has it is the 15 R2, which should ship out later this month.
At least it isn't a re-name of the R9 m295x like the m390x was.

 

Considering the R9 M395X is $150 less than a GTX 980M on the Alienware site, it probably is just a rebranded R9 M295X.

 

Windows 10 doing ok, 20% of Guru3d readers are already using Windows 10:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/19-percent-of-guru3d-readers-are-running-windows-10.html

 

http://products.amd.com/en-us/searc...adeon™-R9-M300-Series/AMD-Radeon™-R9-M395X/56

Apparently it doesn't even support the Vulcan API. It's definitely based on an older gpu, so probably is just a rebranded R9 M295X.

 

Robbo99999, if you really read the EULA, and understood the implications, the freely giving up access to your private files at any time, without notice before, during or after, you wouldn't be using Windows 10, or causing others to do so.

They know you want to Believe...

They are counting on you not looking, not thinking, not taking action. But you must take action.

Stop, drop, and Roll, you're on Fire!!


Windows 10 isn't your friend.

Windows 10 is a snoopy little geek nark looking for you to trip a pre-programmed filter so it can run home to mommy and tell her what you are doing, right now.

Every key click, every file opening, every sound audible via your microphones, every image your Webcam images.

 

Haha, yep, I know about the privacy concerns with Win 10, I've read some of the EULA & know about the private files thing - it doesn't bother me much so that's why I'm still using it. I was just letting you know about the market share of Win10 (amoungst Guru3D gamers) with regards to that previous post you made - that's all.