nVidia 2015 mobile speculation thread

Robbo99999, of course it doesn't "bother you much", you have no frame of reference to realize that ****'s real, and pertains to you, personally, right now.

You have much to learn and experience. When you realize the mistake you have made in your role to move forward our loss of Freedom, you will speak as we speak out against Windows 10 today.

Those numbers are a sad commentary on how well conditioned and trained the population has become, enslaved to mindless action without thought.

They all want the shiny new, without thought to the consequences.

Soul/Freedom = DX12 ??

Thanks for the info

 

According to this page, it does have Vulkan support. So one of them is wrong, but I don't know which.
Regardless, it most likely won't be as powerful as the GTX 990m.

 

thats ok, id just want it to be as powerful as or beat the 980M, just to get some competition going again also, how about a fury nano mobile as an 990M asskicker?

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I want a 4k screen for photography and video editing and extra work space, viewing 4k content, playing old games and so on. 980M sli should be good for several of those games. Too bad the 4k gysnc screens are the crappy samsung ones with bad colors compared to the sharp igzo ones.

I'm not too concerned about windows 10 privacy. The NSA could do the same things with windows 8 if they wanted. No privacy in the digital world period.

Maybe Asus is doing the water cooling thing just to keep the sound load down because that's what they are known for. I wouldn't mind using the 990m at full potential in a clevo laptop with fans loud on blast.

 

Windows 10 is like giving them the keys to your house.
I'm hopefully preaching to the choir - but having nothing to hide isn't a justification for giving up privacy. We all wouldn't use curtains on windows otherwise.

 

I think Snowden said it best, if you say you don't value privacy because you have nothing to hide, then the same should be said about your freedom of speech because you have nothing to say.

 

Phase, it's not the OS, it's the EULA.

Bringing those privacy invasions that the Government has now been denied doing covertly, they are forced to go public and ask you to agree with giving up your rights away.

Agreeing to the EULA is the difference. You can't have Windows 10 without agreeing to the EULA. If you are running Windows 10, you have given away your right to privacy, and released many other rights.

If MS adds a new EULA to Windows 8.1/7 that adds the same Freedom losing content, then I won't agree to that either.

If that freezes me at that point in time in Windows 8.1 patches and improvements, then that is what will happen.

Hopefully a new EULA approval wouldn't be asked for to continue security patches in Windows 8.x/7, otherwise I would stop those patches being added to my Windows 8.x/7 systems as well.

And yes, covertly MS could add the same things, but if they did that it would be criminal behavior. Instead they asked you permission. And if you agree you can't complain if overtly or covertly they do anything with your computer or data listed in that EULA.

Agreeing to the EULA is the problem. Not the OS.

By the way, even without the EULA, Windows 10 is not ready for prime time, it is way buggy and a long time away from being stable for everyone.

You are all truly trading the cow for a bag of bad beans.

Maybe that is why Microsoft did this now. While your attention is all taken up in bugs, you aren't thinking about what you just agreed to, until it is too late.

 

Splintah, very close, and thanks for bring up Mr. Snowden's quote

" "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say," he said."

In One Quote, Snowden Just Destroyed the Biggest Myth About Privacy
http://mic.com/articles/119602/in-o...mmed-up-why-our-privacy-is-worth-fighting-for

But, even if you don't think you have anything to say, you still have the right to say it, type it into a document on your computer, and have the right to privacy protecting you and that document from unlawful search and seizure - the court needs to follow due process to demonstrate they have just cause to ask you for that document, and to compel you to provide it to them, in a timely manner in accordance with the word of law.

Signing the EULA short-circuits due process and hands everything over to MS (and whoever they want to send it to) immediately and in perpetuity - now and forever.

Don't accept the EULA. And, if you did, send a letter to MS releasing yourself from the claims of the EULA as you have now stopped using Windows 10.

 

With the 990M coming and potentially the 1000M series too although in a couple of months, wasting your money on the 980m Sli is just pure folly. Just wait for a newer machine running the latest hardware like the Asus gx700.

 

Phase, a nice 4k screen, color corrected for video/photo work would be nice, but it's unlikely a laptop sized screen, that needs to meet the budget expected, would be able to afford such a nice screen. That laptop would be too expensive and not competitive - it would be a niche product.

You already said the available 4k laptop screens aren't desirable. Adding an external 4k monitor would be easier. There are nice professional portable 4k monitors already.

A nice 1080p screen, meeting your requirements, would be less expensive, and more doable.

Asus said they did it for fun, and water cooling wasn't required, but the GX700 will likely cool better and give better results because of that cooling.

Right now the GT80 I have gives me what I want, and I can't think of a single thing to improve on the laptop, except...

Cooling those darn M.2 SSD's

They are right on top of each other and next to the CPU on the opposite side, and when I am putting them to work under sustained load the temps get close to the 70c max operating temperature.

I really hope the M.2 makers and laptop makers figure out these things run hot, and start doing something about it.

PCIe x4 SSD's are even worse, running well over 100c:

 

Any laptop with 990M is already going to be a niche product. Only a very tiny segment of the consumer laptop market has any interest in DTR form factor.

 

That would be us

 

I'm more excited about ibm/glofo/Samsung partnership where ibm taped out their first 7nm designed chip! Granted prime time isn't until late 2017 or 2018, but next year is 14/16nm at tsmc and glofo, 10nm at tsmc, glofo, and Intel in 2017, but only tsmc and the three way partnership is saying 7nm production to start in 2017 with products on shelves 2018. Here's to hoping that the video card producers at least go to 10nm before waiting on a node, if not 7nm!!!

 

I mean, you could kind of say the same thing about ultrabooks too yet people buy those.

 

You know that quote sounds very impressive on the surface, but if you think about that sentence in a logical way it's not as impressive & convincing - that sentence ultimately reasons it's just as important/good to have 'something to hide' as it is to have 'something to say', and I don't think that's the case.

 

Wat.

Pascal won't be for almost another year, and that's 1st gen cards for mobile and midrange (GP104) for desktops going by current trends. Waiting if you want a new laptop and holding off on 980M SLI, especially since we don't know if 990Ms can SLI, or if they'll run fine un-docked, or if they REALLY are going to cost $1600, is not something I consider "folly".

Also, SCREW THAT ASUS. Anybody with a SLI laptop right now would smoke that thing even docked.

 

thx ultima, i kept thinking to myself "errr.....why is he repeating over and over that 1000M series will be here in a COUPLE of months, i.e. november?!?!"

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However I get the impression gaming laptops in general are in a huge lift, certainly compared to say 5 years ago. Before the summer when I started researching which gaming laptop to buy I was amazed, engulfed, by the sheer number of options and choices. That does say something, but nonetheless compared to other volumes any gaming laptop remains niche.

 

By couple of months, I mean less than a year which it will definitely be. Also @D2 Ultima , that Asus is water-cooled mate, good luck competing with that and beating it. If you do, which I most likely don't think so as the 990m is supposed to be as powerful as two 980ms then I'll be really impressed

 

Oh my wordiful toad.

Listen, dude, I don't mind your optimism or anything, but please do some research before posting.

990M apparently has the same core specs as a GTX 980.

980M is ~70% as strong, give or take, as a 980 is.

990M is weaker than a 980 at any stretch, and even if the core clock could attain 980 speeds undocked with a strong enough power supply, it most definitely won't be nearly as overclockable, and its memory will still be gimped at 5000MHz instead of 7000MHz.

OC'd 980M SLI beats OC'd Titan X and 980Ti cards. Are you trying to tell me that a 990M is more powerful than a Titan X with an overclock? Because if you are, you really need to go back and rethink GPUs from the ground up.

 

Alright but mind you, what we are saying here is just pure speculations. No real benchmarks or anything of that sort to back your comment. when they first announced the 990m, it was said that it would be 20% faster than a 980 which is 30% weaker than the 980m sli so pretty close in my opinion. It can definitely reach 980ms level with that Asus gx700 as it's water-cooled and can easily achieve impressive overclocks due to this. Nevertheless, 1000M series is on its way so all that is worthless for me as I plan on building a rig with either the new Titan or 1080ti depending on the price.

OC'ed 980ms can definitely beat a moderately overclocked Titan x or 980Ti by a tiny worthless amount and plus you need Mr.Fox level of expertise to do that which 97% of laptop gamers don't and you'll need a dual psu too.

 

A couple is a unit of measurement - it means 'two', just like a dozen means 'twelve'. Haha, I'm being pedantic, but words are all we have on here!

 

True, couple in it's literal sense means two. Time flies and 12 months or a year for me is just like a "couple" of months. It may not be appropriate in the literal sense as I said especially if one is attentive to details but it was just to emphasize on the imminent arrival of the 1000M series.

 

aaaanywho, im actually more impatient as to nvme m.2 drives rather than new gpus, to be honest
also, next purchase coming up will be the huawei nexus

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All your doing here is justifying hyperbole. Couple months is definitely not "less than a year" in normal conversation terms.

 

Let´s just agree we have different definitions of "imminent arrival".

 

Pascal is coming by June 4th, after Computex 2016. Hopefully earlier...

No new GPU's will be replacing the 970M and 980M for 2015, meaning an earlier launch next year.

 

Were did you get those dates? Just rare to see such firm time frame this far out, although it matches my analysis above.

 

Clevo's DTR series (WM, ZM, DM) where designed with proper GPU cooling and don't need 'additional help' to handle the new card...also not in SLI.

EDIT: Though I would like to see better CPU cooling!

 

right from the horse´s / phoenix` mouth! ppl just dont believe me when i quote your comments

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...culation-thread.775782/page-104#post-10068771

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...culation-thread.775782/page-105#post-10069505

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/official-clevo-p75xzm-batman-sager-np9752-owner´s-lounge-welcome-to-the-batcave.767105/page-593#post-9988235

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...shes-expectations.775918/page-3#post-10004143

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...o-the-new-batcave.776183/page-2#post-10007640

I can't do more then pointing at puzzle pieces every now and then...but what do I know...

 

990M leaked in gigabyte driver in april, is g-sync ready, VR ready, comes in MXM form factor, has variable TDP envelope, will be SLI capable, and most important of all: compatible with all available and upcoming Clevo DTRs.

did i forget anything?

 

I would call that...cough...Throttle...cough..Turbo Boost...cough...Tricknology...

 

Anyone know if DX12 will allow asymmetrical "SLI" sort of thing with for example, external desktop GPU connected via TB3 and, say 990M? and then how about adding Skylake iGPU to the mix?

 

yes. It is capable of this, unless blocked by the individual vendors

Edit: Google search directx 12 amd Nvidia dedicated and integrated. You'll find the articles from around may, including Forbes.

 

No, we're not saying pure speculation. There is NO WAY ON THIS PLANET that a single 990M can even ballpark two 980Ms in SLI. End of story. Even stock with a custom vBIOS for stability, two 980Ms in SLI should average 140% of a GTX 980, which is within 10% of a 980Ti at minimum. And most everyone can overclock those cards even by +100MHz. It'd be harder to find someone who COULDN'T do that. 990M is not end-all, it's not going to put a dent in 980M SLI, no matter how you dress it up, dock it up, watercool it, whatever. The simple fact that to beat 980M SLI out of the box it needs to be a highly clocked form if a 980Ti or Titan X in a mobile form factor flat out means that 990M will never do it. It's not going to be 20% faster than a 980. There's already specs of it floating around as @Prema again showed just now.

Also, just because it's water cooled doesn't mean impressive clocks can be achieved. Voltage, chip potential, VRM potential, etc are also factors to be considered.

LOL. Does Maxwell ever use anything BUT tricknology?

Since the maxwell cards can't transfer memory data fast enough over the PCI/e interface, SFR is out of the question except with iGPUs (which won't really benefit much). SLI-ing with an external GPU is possible if nVidia cared to allow it, but they don't, and the external GPU would have to have its memory gimped to all hell as a result to match the mobile cards. Mismatched core clocks in SLI also offer very little actual benefit. It'll WORK, mind you, but it won't work nearly as well as matched core clocks, which means the eGPU will need to be made to match the dGPU.

Also, again, remember Optimus does not support SLI, so you'd need to have a system which would never touch the iGPU if you wanted to SLI an eGPU with it.

In other words, assume it's never happening.

 

Well the 990M will be my Christmas present... Good to know it's Batman ready!

 

Would be awesome if you could do this to combine the Titan X and 980m in a 17r2

 

I'd rather a fury x2 (two fury cores) with whichever internal dGPU.

 

Robbo99999, the point of the sentence is the 2nd half. The first half of the sentence is a thing people say in their own ignorance of reality.

What the turn of phrase does try to communicate, is that if you don't care about your privacy, then you are saying you don't care about your freedom of speech.

When you voluntarily give up the first you are also voluntarily giving up the second.

If you give up your right to privacy, you give up your right to free speech in defense of that loss.

The sentence doesn't say it's good to have something to Hide

The term "Hide" is the poor choice of words by the person that says they don't care about losing their privacy because they have nothing to "Hide".

What they are really saying, is that they have deluded themselves in to the belief that they are safe, and therefore don't need to defend their privacy. In their own eyes they have done nothing to require defense.

What they don't take into account is that anyone can turn around anything someone says or does against them.

Just like you turned around that sentence to mean something completely different, but it was convenient in your attack on it, so you did it - whether it made sense or not.

Noone is safe, noone can drop their defense, not just because they can be turned against them, but because things change.

What was once ok, is now not ok, and visa versa. It all depends on who is in power and if they want to take your power, resources, and enslave you to their will.

You may live in a democracy, and believe have done nothing to hide, but there are many many people in the world that would judge your actions as guilty of sins against their god.

Their authority, self-appointed but spoken to them by their god, gives them the right to intercede in your life, and do as they please with anyone they please.

You can't assume everything is going to remain the same, especially when you roll over and let yourself and your property be taken without defense.

The low hanging fruit are harvested first.

You do realize, you are defending non-defense, think about that

 

Prema, they were designed for specific parameters for specific power and cooling.

When a new card comes along that exceeds those parameters, they won't be able to adequately power or cool that new card, right?

Adding water-cooling isn't a cheat, it's a cooling boost solution, bringing more cooling per space required than air cooling.

You are seeing better CPU cooling, you aren't happy because it's not Clevo that brought it to market first

 

http://forum.techinferno.com/showthread.php?p=143635

 

Prema you tell 'em!

 

Prema, bring it on over here, then we can talk about it

Until then, I stand by my reply.

Laptop Integrated Water-cooling is a valid tool for OC, and Asus bringing it to the masses is just another in 25 years of enthusiast innovations brought to the market by Asus.

Asus did it first, again. Not Clevo.

 

So oblivious...

 

The only way the user can show the OEMs that they don't reward being fooled is to let their wallet speak for them.

 

Stick it to the man!

 

gimme sum benchmarks!

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I think mr. fox also said that SLI provides more bandwidth which is useful for higher resolutions. 980m sli is about the same price as the 990m according to rumors. so i feel like getting 980m sli for a 17 inch 4k screen wouldnt be that dumb

 

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