The New Gateway Gaming Laptop is HERE ( P-7801u)

most BB's still carry them at $1359. if u can find a p2888 that is. what do u guys think, should i go for the 2887. can't seem to find any 2888 / or communicate with a BB employee on the phone. most of whom don't even know they have a gateway 7811, let alone search for the p2888 serial.

 

If screen res. is not a problem for you try the new Assus. The power of a 7811 in a potable chassis. Might not have as many lockup issues? For $1250? Sounds good to me.

 

can you link to the new asus I don't believe I've seen it before (one that matches the power of the 7811 for the same price I mean)

 

screen rez. and size 15.6 widescreen IS a problem for me. that would be like downgrading my system big time. plus, there's speculation the 9800 GS is a re-badged 9700 GT.

 

I still got my P-7811FX with the labor day sale.. I've been satisfied with it. so I'm content.

 

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage...oduct&id=1218012519873#tabbed-customerreviews

Here it is.. The 9800gs is supposedly an underclocked 9800mgts.

 

BB's carry their 7811 as outlet items. Are they refurbished items ? I want to buy a new one which is not a refurbished item, is that possible ? . Should I go to BB store to pick it up or order it from the website ?

 

They are not refurbished. Best Buy does not sell refurbished systems, clearance and outlet items are just discontinued meaning they are no longer being produced.

 

Here is the link
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=9050279&type=product&id=1218012519873

Seems to have the same CPU 4GIG of RAM and buss speed but DDR2 instead of DDR3. Also it has a much lower rez screen but has 320 GIG HD (still 7200). The GPU is a 9800 GS which has been determined to be a slightly downclocked GTS with the same amount of VRAM 512 DDR3.

I just picked up the FX for $1300 a few days ago right before the ASUS was released and I am still trying to decide which machine I should go with.

 

It is 9800m class chip between the 9700m GTS and the 9800m GTS. All three use G94.

 

Got my 7811 for $1250. So it was the same price as the asus (we don't pay tax in delaware either)

7811 pros vs Asus
-DDR3 Memory
-Better Screen rez
-Slightly better GPU

Asus pros vs 7811
- Bigger hard drive
- Cool gaming lights, though would be annoying in class or library (but you could probably turn them off)
- Better customer support

I'd stick with the 7811 if I were you, I considered an Asus for a long time before getting this girl.

 

What about battery life? Office and web net me 3+ hours of battery life.

 

Sorry if this has been mentioned/asked but...

Do you think bios updates/driver updates for this new laptop will apply to the 7811? I love my 7811 but was sad to think that it won't recieve any more update love from Gateway.

 

its the same machine with some hardware updates, like the 6831 / 6860 any software update should apply to the 7811.

 

You forgot portability as a pro for the Asus. That's what it may come down to for some buyers.

 

portability shmortability

give me a 20in notebook with powerful specs and i'd be happy

 

Yeah anything outside the need to have wheels on it would be ok.......maybe even then if the wheels were cool.

 

Ah..the lap-top is dead.

Cause it will either crush your legs or make you infertile.

 

What exactly do you mean? what would be the purpose of makin a chip that cant even use all of its vRAM?

 

and what on earth is all this business about 2888's and 2887? does this have something to do with the model/serial number? if so what?????

 

Because 90% of computer users think vram is the most important spec on a gpu.

 

well why wouldn't the 9800 GTS be able to use all of it?

 

Not that it wont use it. You just wont see any improvement.

This was posted 3 or 4 pages back.

 

because its a 256bit card and that limits the amount of ram it can address.

The 1gb 9800gts is a gimik to make people "think" they are getting a really cool thing and in all honestly they are just getting ripped off

 

I'm more concerned about the quality of this new one. I wonder if it fixed all the problems like lock-up, screen, over heating and stuff. Anyone have tried this new lappy ?

 

well it just came out like yesterday. im trying to sell my 6860 to buy a 7811, but maybe ill get this one....... wanna buy mine?

 

I would get a 68xx series or the 7811 before this. Your paying almost 300 more for a 320gb hard drive, as the 1gb vid card is a non-issue (just looks good on paper)

Plus the second gen 7811's werent bad computers, they had worked out most of the bugs by then and it was a pretty decent buy. Whether or not it was better than the 68xx/173 series though i dont know.

For 300 dollars on top of the 7811 you can have RAID 0 320gb 7200rpm drives and still have a bit left over to put the 200gb stock drive in an enclosure

 

It is so hard to make a decision . Did anyone buy an outlet item 7811 from BB?
I think these things have problems. Should I buy one or wait few more weeks until they sell all of outlet items . Will they produce more 7811s or not ?

 

Quite a few people on this board bought the outlet 7811's. You'll just have to look around for their posts about it

I doubt they will produce the 7811 anymore. Pretty much anytime a machine goes outlet it never really goes back to retail. Though some stores i've heard still have 6860's and 6831's in stock from ages gone by and sell them on the floor Whether or not thats true i dont know though as its just idle chatter from around these boards.

 

The deal with 2887 vs 2888:

The only thing confirmed is that 2888 SN models come with an updated bios. However, there have been significantly less reports of lockups, overheating, ghosting, etc with the 2888 models. Whether or not anything besides the bios was changed in the 2888's vs the 2887's is all speculation. For "peace of mind", try your best to get a 2888 serial number. Someone said that the 2888's have a different heatsink, but that wasn't confirmed.

If you get a 2887 serial number, don't worry about the bios, as the new bios has been made available by our good friend E-wrecked so you can update it. If you have a 2887, you WILL want to update the bios regardless of whether or not you plan on using a Raid array.

Sorry for thread hijack.

 

I'm sorry but... Proof? Figures? Where do you get this information from - hard numbers not speculation or conjecture.

 

I'm going off the reports of problems on NBR when the 7811 was just released, and the significantly less reports of problems of those who have the 2888's and those who recently purchased their 7811s (and have reported that they have 2888s).

Hard numbers are not required when looking at the simple number of reports of problems here. I shoudl have said "on NBR", but I assumed you would realize that. And in that case, all you need is simple observation.

 

facts are always required.

 

Go back and read previous posts. It appears that there is a trend. I would like to belive that most people have a life and would not conjure up lies and fibbs just for $h and giggles since most people come to these boards for advise

 

no one said facts weren't required (even though it actually depends on what context you're talking about)... and what I posted IS a fact - there's an observable difference in problems but no confirmed difference in the specs.

exactly, thank you. this doesn't require you guys to put on lab goggles and run through the scientific method, all you have to do is look at thread titles a few weeks ago vs thread titles now... it's not hard. ffs all I was doing was answering a question someone asked about 2887 vs 2888. I said all that's confirmed is the bios difference, however [the fact is] there's a significant decrease in problem reports with 2888, but it's not confirmed that there's any difference besides the bios.

 

People’s perceptions based on a small sample are often turned into "fact" and miss-information is spread as a result. Really unless you get failed unit statistics from Gateway it's all conjecture at this point.

I do not doubt that Gateway released some faulty units (that much is obvious) but I don't think 2887s are failing at a higher rate.

I am also under the impression that that 2887 production run was significantly higher than the 2888. This could also lead to a larger percentage of failures statistically speaking.

I am sticking with my theory that 2888 and 2887 series are equally prone to failures.

Sorry to belabor the point but I really do hate to see false information spread and influence people’s decisions one way or another. There is enough of that without us adding to it.

 

doesnt the 6860 have a 5300?


any differences?

 

I agree with you both(Jak and talent). P2888 has had less reported problems. And P2887 did have more issues initially. But, other than the BIOS the changes made were the DVD drive and the heatsink, and the power brick with grooves became smoothe. Aside from that, the units are identical. Oh, and that "ghosting" thing.. there is an issue even with the P2888, and you can test for yourself. Set a black background, and then lightly rub against the screen using a clean cloth. You'll notice white blotchy area appear.. and from angles it is more visible. Now, you can actually rub that blotch away. Same as with 2887, I know cause I did it recently. It's just compression from shipping. And, I think I have solved TZS0. I could be wrong but I believe if you upgrade to a 180watt power brick, it is solved. I haven't tried..but it has something to do with the current/voltage mix..and the brick would likely be the culprit. That just hit me the other day. Anyhow, my 2 pennies.

 

Nope it has the Intel 4965

Intel 5300
Intel 4965

 

would it be better to upgrade from a 5100 to a 5300? is it worth it?

 

i would say the heatsink, bios, and power brick ARE big changes not just inconsequential. if it is confirmed that the heatsink was changed too. some here are saying only the bios was changed. other things identical.

 

meat, the copper mod thread has a pic of my p2887 heatsink.. Some models shipped with the larger, some with the smaller..even on the *87 model. Same goes for brick, some with some without. The only definate changes for *88 is DVD and BIOS.

 

What I want to know is whether the larger heatsink could be coaxed out of Gateway under warranty or for-a-fee terms (or if it even fits in the 2887s). I know they don't have a Spare Parts arm as robust as Dell's, but it's worth a shot to ask.

 

the heatsinks are the same size, for fit comparisons. Only differene is the auminum size over the chipset and aluminum around the crooked copper for the cpu. But, yes..one fits all. And no, Gway will not send you one, cause if you replace it tht voids your warranty. They referred me to mondo corp. I believe it's www.mondocorp.com - but they didnt have it available as of a week ago. You could try now tho

 

Sorry, where do you see false information? "People's perceptions are turned into fact.." If I dump out a box of pens, and then I dump out a box of pencils, and theres a significant enough difference where you can visibly look at them and tell which there are more of, is that not both perception and fact? Do you really need to count them to see which of them are in greater quantity? I'm not talking about Gateway's own failed unit statistics. As I posted, I'm talking about here on NBR. You can choose to what esteem you want to hold that fact, but it is a FACT that there are less problem reports from the 2888 units here on NBR. Interesting though that you require facts and yet you "were under the impression" that the 2887 production run was higher than 2888's, and that impression seems to largely fuel your theory. Where's your data there? Regardless, if you do want to keep this going, I'd really like you to explain to me how I'm spreading false information... (specifically tell me which part is false)

no one's asking you to stray from your obviously opinionated theory, but don't accuse others of spreading false information just because that information doesn't fit your theory.

EDIT: apparently I was wrong about one thing, I said that the heatsink change wasn't confirmed but it looks from the posts here like it was confirmed (obviously not even that topic at hand in our debate). still talent, thats evidence against your theory not for it

 

the heat sink wasn't confirmed, some 2887 had a different one as well. the power supply wasn't confirmed some 2887(and even some 6860) had same PS like the one some got with 2888. the dvd is no issue and we don't know if all 2888 were including it or not. we do know about the bios.

there is no reason telling people buy only a 2888, thats spreading misinformation based on thin air.


nothing in this post has been confirmed either.

 

true that royk! rep to you for laying it down as it is.

 

dang! spread some love first... ack!

 

Even if nothing else is confirmed (and I have evidence to the contrary), the bios is confirmed by gateway, best buy, and 100% of 2888 users on this forum, so you're spreading misinformation by saying nothing in this post has been confirmed. Also, I'm not telling people buy only a 2888, I said exactly:

And in other threads I've said try your best to get a 2888, or even "if you care that much" get a 2888. Never have I said only get a 2888, don't get a 2887. Just stop putting words in my mouth and trying to bend everything, the 2888's do have differences vs the 2887's, get over it. You don't even own a 7811, and I've owned a 2887 and a 2888 7811, so I don't understand why you think you'd know better than me whether or not there's differences between the two.

 

hey man i didnt refer to you at all,
there are two views here and each is entitled to choose.
have a nice day.