[HowTo] SO-DIMMs Extreme: Boost 1600 to 2133 and beyond / JEDEC & XMP

I am not aware about this

 

Why not:

[HowTo] SO-DIMMs Extreme: Boost 1600 to 2133 and beyond / JEDEC & XMP

BTW: Our brother TURBODUDE!!!, who posted in this very thread, is Vitaliy Jungle the Author of Thaiphoon Burner. We should show him some respect! Apart from that it is one of the softwares that is worth buying!

 

I actually PM'd him the second I hit 2266Mhz. He hasn't replied.

 

You used Taiphoon to OC RAM up to 2133 and then Oced it using SetFSB or SetPLL on 6.1%. Not everyone can OC CPU like this.

 

Thaiphoon to make 2133Mhz XMP ratio accessible. Overclocked via Alienware's BIOS .

Johnksss quickly surpassed me though and hit 2300+. His edge is that he has more volts to the processor and a higher binned CPU/2960XM.

 

I afraid that RAM may fried. Are you using HyperX or Corsair?

 

neither-- dell certified ram made/finalized in korea, it's called hyundai electonics.

ive already backed down from that speed.

im running at 990Mhz now or 1980Mz. 1.55v.

 

Nope. I was able to over clock my blck higher than you...
108.2 to be exact.

 

Here's my A8-3500M and my Corsair Vengeance 1866 CL10 RAM. You can see some Memory Clock switching is happening. I've watched it switch from 1333 to 2100, this happens automatically and mostly at idle or light loads. Any idea what is happening?


A8-3500M 1.5GHz_CV(7-7-7-20-1293_646.7MHz)_ AIDA64 CPUID_01 by davidc646, on Flickr


A8-3500M 1.5GHz_CV(7-7-7-20-1333_665.5MHz)_ AIDA64 CPUID_01 by davidc646, on Flickr


A8-3500M 1.5GHz_CV(7-7-7-20-2100_1049.7MHz)_ AIDA64 CPUID_01 by davidc646, on Flickr


A8-3500M 2.5GHz_CV(7-7-7-20)_ AIDA64 Cache & Memory Benchmark_01 by davidc646, on Flickr


A8-3500M 1.5GHz_CV(7-7-7-20_DDR3-1775 887.6MHz)_ AIDA64 Cache & Memory Benchmark_01 by davidc646, on Flickr


A8-3500M 2.5GHz_CV(7-7-7-20_704.8MHz)_ HWiNFO64_01 by davidc646, on Flickr

 

Interesting.
Does it jump up to 2133 when you run the memory cache test with aida64?

 

No it doesn't. 1775 is the most I've seen so far in the Cache & Memory benchmark and 2100 from the CPUID window.

 

i know but im assuming it's because you have more volts and higher binned cpu to do that to begin with.

my 2720qm only hit 105bclk even. my 2760 hits 106.5.

its really odd...

if i had more volts to the cpu im sure i could catch up : p. or maybe down my multiplier. im too lazy though.

 

Your not listening brother zero....i was at stock cpu volts and clocks....
take all possibles out of the mix and start with the bare minimum....then get fancy later...

 

It's mostly because your blck reading jumps a lot...I have that on Windows 8.

 

stock volts is higher with XMs than the other cpus, isnt it? it should allow for higher base clock if the max cpu clock isn't already in use. therefore my cpu is why i cant hit higher than 2266.

the only way for me to ever hit higher than 106 is to add volts or down my max multiplier, my cpu is at its limit otherwise.

it should in theory be easier with a 2920/2960. or even a 2670.

 

and until i ran that 108bclk, the highest xm was like 105.something. not sure if Rv hit a possible 106 though.
http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=2312440

edit:
106.4 done by terry

 

i just hate sandy bridge

 

Can you elaborate? Are you saying the switching I'm seeing is just an error?

Doesn't worry me. I'm holding onto my CVs for Trinity anyways.

 

Yes, but I haven't seen it so strong in 7, but in 8 mine has shown ridiculous blck readings...

 

Yeah I got over 106 on my last motherboard but regretfully had to replace it since one of my Ram slots was not working. I think highest that mobo booted was 106.2 but couldn't use any higher than 106.08 for the validation. Perhaps it could have got higher with stock cpu and volts My new one cringes close to 104.5 :| theres always tricks to get it to handle better like has been mentoned But grats on 108 baseclock and 2300mhz ram



I was more impressed by my chip doing 5197.72 MHz than it reaching 106.08 baseclock (106.08 * 49) @ 1.431 volts maybe if I use 1.52 etc it may go over 5197mhz if I can keep it as cool.

EDIT:
So I flashed my Corsair Vengeance to have 1866 XMP1 and 2133XMP2 are the only ways you guys getting over 2133mhz by using increased baseclock or can I flash above 2133? and should I change spd instead of using XMP profiles? Any starting off the gate tips? Thaiphoon Burner is the best $22 money can buy! Thanks VitalityJungle

 

you need to flash 2133 then bclk up the ladder

edit:
i wasn't using xmp profiles with my ram...they seem to be different. so i just flashed some 2133 profiles and added the extra t states for compatibility. then slowly start dropping them to lower faster timings.
make sure you have at least one spare ram handy. something like 1333 to force all other ram to drop to this speed. if you get the beeps going on and still cant boot, then you will need to force flash your ram back to a working state. if your testing...then it's best to remove the keyboard and work those ram slots first. because it's easier to place a non working ram chip in just as the system comes on. you wont be able to use the ram memory, but it will let you reflash it if you think you bricked it. make sure not to flash 4g profiles on 2g chips and vice versa. that's the basics...

 

cool bro! I just got them set now I need to put them in my M18x and try to boot. so XMP2 @ 2133 should load fine now that i programmed and wrote the XMP info to the proper addresses its showing the proper info now and I added the missing cas 7 and cas 8 thats missing from Corsairs spd I am very impressed by this software. To explain why I am on different system I was confused when purchasing and registering etc... where you give a code from the demo before even starting the entire order... I entered the info from the comp i ordered from :| not realizing now its locked to only this comp so I placed my Corsair in it and thankfully they were backwards compatible with this HP HDX 18t as thats where my HyperX are now (they were the XMP 1600mhz type I can always bench em lol but i'll stick to these Corsair) in. So lol its a mobo with Intel Core 2 Quad Q9000 hahahaha and DDR3 1066mhz mobo I guess all you need for Thaiphoon Burner is a mobo that can boot from the ram you intend to flash Gonna test now I got a quick Maxxmem of my 1.6ghz Hyperx XMP type i had and the Corsair on stock spd info at 1866 10-10-10-27... looking forward to seeing even more of a bump
Geocake mentioned to me I may be able to flash 1866 @ 9-9-9-27 but am unsure if thats been consensus on the Vengeance 1866C10? Also if I did that should I just adjust what is set in XMP1 so its then 9-9-9-27? or try to write it to the SPD profile instead? if its not too much too ask when one sets 9-9-9-27 what values are actually changed in the tRC,tRAS,tRP,tRCD etc as its a little confusing would looking at the XTU app help to see what pertain to what? If its documented even loosely somewhere? That would suffice and not require explanation. Thanks im so new to the Memory beyond using XMP profile lol the other stuff I got down but man ha ha the timing stuff is completely tied from one value to the next in ratios between one value to the next.

 

rotflmao!
I had to buy two copies because i installed it on my desktop by mistake.

but you will still need to stay in contact because it gets funny when you start switching parts and running on battery. for this one laptop it has 3 different activation codes. i haven't even redid my DT after i just upgraded it to ivy b and 2700k. that should be interesting.

laptop ram doesnt work like desktop ram..flash to low and you can brick the ram. then you have to hot flash. or it just will give the constant 4 beep code and not boot at all. and as you have seen..just because it shows 9 it depends on what side of the cas number system that makes that a real cas 9. one click from cas 9 can just as well be a cas 10. which is what corsair was doing. with the their cas 10 settings. 1 click and it becomes cas 11.
heck i beat people using 13-13-13-36

but it would be far easier to test in the same machine...you may have to bite the bullet and get a nother copy...

 

lol now im rotflmao myself thats grand the two of use are real winners I see now its extremely uniquely identified by your hardware during register lol and wont make that mistake again hahahaha

just booted in XMP2 and still is saying 1866 again in cpuz and the bios yet the "chipset" menu says memory is at 2133 and XTU states the memory multi is 21.3 etc :| im going to start by loading the ram back in the other system and copying make a backup of my current SPD setting and flash the info to the SPD that was listed under XMP2 2133 profile manually in the timing editor etc and match the XMP timing numbers so they just are plug and play 2133... is that too risky or does it sound like i'm doing it wrong? I checked report before testing these and each module reported XMP info correct... actually i changed one thing I set that it can use upto two dimm per channel ( ordering another 8gb in month or less) would that be my issue stock xmp1 and xmp2 that I used by preset XMP infos based on the tutorial on their site its default to 1. if thats not it is it just easier to use SPD plug and play profile for our uses? by the way the profile i was trying was 2133 11-11-11-something provided by Thaiphoon Burner.

 

yes, but there is no 2133 sodimm chips so no real 2133 sodimm profiles, only modded ones. and they usually come from dt chips. or modded 1866 sodimms. speculation of course.

i know the xmps would work above 1866 for me, but i was using 2 different types of ram chips so that might be why. and my hyperx kingston 4g would not do 2133 for nothing in the world.

this 2400 mhz ram i have on the dt i would love to flash higher, but can't with this board. says i need a ivy b chip to even run at the rated speed. should be able to pull of 2800 im hoping...when i get my chip.

 

thats going to be incredible... looking forward to checking out that setup okay I followed all the supplied guides best i could and wrote 2133 to the spd profile over forplug and play to 2133 based off the supplied 2133K profile supplied by Thaiphoon Burner if no boot I'll flash one of the ones shown with loosened timings. I corrected the XMP profile to be the "1" dimm limit again per channel. based on guide i didnt have register 0/0 set to 93 as default is 92 and as per guide if i add XMP to the ram I need to tell ram to read entire 256 SPDbytes which i guess that does for me. I added 1.35v with register 6 set to 02. Corsair has tCL 7 and 8 timings missing from timing table by default so added those as per the guide. added sd ram manufacturer and date... Micron. Maybe now it will be working on 2133 plug and play and or xmp1 @ 1866 and XMP2 at 2133. As per guide I also set XMP1 to 1.55v but XMP2 to 1.65v since im not sure how much i would need for 2133mhz

So not sure i've been doing all correct but I'm going to try it now. Here are 4 pics of how Thaiphoon burner is reporting everything now that I added all those things and flashed it to the chips.

Spoiler

 

now to see if it works....

 

mine i had trouble loading the xmp... so on an attempt with just a profile 2133 i did boot to windows and show in bios and cpuz it crashed shorlty after and the timings were around 11 but I had touble getting the slower latenies to load and register 2133? But I didn't see this edit the other day and what is "extra t states for compatibility" So it had bsod 000050 on that after testing in maxx mem a sec so not sure I had the latencies or the chips flashed right i'll get pic next time... i'll see what i can do from here more now... i didnt use xmp when it finally was a working flash. Your chips may require different i am not sure but what volts do yours use for the plain jane 2133mhz profile non xmp ... mine bsod before boot at 1.65 but got to windows at 1.6 1.55 when the 2133 worked? I need to get it reflashed to that one and get pic to go from. did you start with jedec profiles? i was tinkering with 2133k 2133L 2133M 2133n profiles not sure about timings being too high or low still getting used to timings beyond the 1866 range... the less charted territory. i see in a signature 1940mhz on these corsairs... is that most they have been working at for everyone well from what you've seen? also loaded xmp profiles that were listed for 1866 something is other members tried and imported the 2133 profile to the editor and flashed and that didnt work but when I changed XMP version to 2.1 not 3? it loads 2133 in the editor as now 2000mhz or ie 1050mhz not 1066 so i flashed and bios was on the 2133 and this is where i booted 1.6v/1.55v but bsod under about two maxxmem or so or possibly random if i waited long enough on desktop. cpuz though showed it as 1066? do you add the 2133 speeds in the editor > add current hex editor display> lock it> correct checksum> unlock flash and when flashed is it just a certain range or where it says full range? or do you set 2133 in editor and flash right to the sticks spd profile?>from there no hex editor and checksum involved??

 

Hey John good news and some questions. Samsung 1600- 8gb is working at 2133mhz no prob and based clocked up to 2275mhz succesfully at 106.8 baseclock side note my replacement mobo is fine now I try same on the Corsair and they can boot into windows aat the 2133 but eventually after tinkering and benching they crash and I can't seem to hone in on a timing that stabalized them. I even tried flashing the Hynix thp posted and even a copy of how I have the samsung chips flashed to run 2133 so the corsair said samsung lol and it helped make it a little more stable but again after a couple mem benches it would crash and no bearing on voltage 1.55-1.65v didn't help but Samsung fine even at 1.55v on the 12-12-12-36... I'm gonna give up on the Corsair I think. I bought the other copy so now I'm working from the M18x. I'll see if I can keep the samsung stable at lower timings now... I'll post pics later. I'll post the model number of my samsung sticks. Both 4gb 1600mhz chips are working flawless on 2133. I don't know if imm only one interested but it would be useful to see what chips are doing this by model numbers. I dont have the same Hyperx as you John but tonight I will see if I make them plug and play from them stock being xmp hyperx maybe they will boot 2133 too and be stable. If so I'll post their model numbers too. I think it would be good to note which chips are succeeding at this. Will you post the two model numbers of the samsung and hyperx chip that are working for you stable at 2133? And maybe the timing they are good with? My samsung are fine at 12-12-12-36 @ 1.55v

 

Hi. s you are saying that none of timings can help Corsair to run 2133?
there are many timings you can change, not just the first 4.
What timings did you tested on Corsair?

And use paragraphs please. to separate different thoughts. It is complicared to read you.

 

Lol no prob at all. Sorry

I am still new to this so I know I haven't tried every combo and it's good sign that they will boot into windows at 2133 so maybe it is just a matter of finding a good timing.

Okay I tried all the ones that are presets 2133k (12-12-12-36), 2133L (13-13-13-36) and the others Thaiphoon Burner lists. The other two 2133 profiles used 14-14 etc and they would cause 1867mhz to be what they booted when 14's were used...

I also tried 12-12-12-37 and 13-13-13-37.

They are booting at those and give a maxmem and aidia run but after sometime they end up crashing... I am new so I'll be glad to try anything now

 

Read that profile you flashed to Corsair, press Report button.
Right click on black and choose to show html code. save as bla-bla.html and atach in zip here please

 

okay here are a few I tried including whats working on the samsung

the pic is where i'm using The preset DDr3 bins for a starting point.

im using all these on plug and play type...

thank you for offering to look at them

Spoiler

How many have had the Vengeance at 2133 stable? Also for reference these are the 4gb sticks @ 1866mhz @ 1.5v 10-10-10-27 default

I was looking at your main post again should I flash your improved THP profile and try to load them in XMP2? I think I tried that and they werent stable for me at 2133 or they wouldnt boot it... running 1867 after rechecking bios on the XMP2. I'll flash that one now and recheck what the isue I had was on XMP2.

My goal is 16gb 2133... but for these tests I was trying individual 4gb sticks and then trying as a pair 8gb. I did notice on some of my flashes 1 stick Vengeance seemed stable but 2 sticks its crashing after little stress?

Do my flashes need more adjustments to compensate for dual sticks and then later if stable 4 sticks... not sure if I have to manually set 2T...

Not even sure if the above were correct but im flashing your provided THP and going to try XMP2 2133 again.

Are they fine on XMP2 @ 1.55v or do they definitely require 1.6v or 1.65v?

okay this was why I tried making my own to see if they would load... when I just used plug and play they booted and showed via bios and windows 2133 in cpuz and others... but they would crash eventually with or without max volts or as low as 1.55v

So I am back to the THP you made in first post and now see the delemma I was having... for me XMP1 loads at 1600mhz and XMP2 loads at 1867mhz... I confirmed via BIOS listing and CPUz about the speeds...

Spoiler

The pic is in XMP1 as an example and the Thaiphoon burner dump is from reading my Corsair after your THP was written to the chips.

When I write in Thapihoon Burner when using a profile like yours... write the entire bit range etc right? Thats what i've been doing... not just the XMP SPD range but by selecting entire range...
I noticed your in 2T on the XMP profiles but when I added 2133 via timing table editor I can't see where to set 1T to 2T ... when i have the 8gb two sticks of Corsair in and they boot to windows in 2133 via plug and play they are in 1T on the 12-12-12-36.

That's where I am at between these posts maybe you can shed some light on the subject... not sure why set like I show that the Samsung are so stable... I provided several html files in last post and 1 in this one of my ram flashed with your THP rebooted then read from...

I make sure even using XMP profiles to set the memory speed manually too to the target speed... via our bios menus.

 

hi. at first that modded thp profile was created by turbodude and put it in 1-st post to summarize he thread.
2nd. it is 3 a.m. now in my country. I was reading book and going to sleep.

Will find the way to change 1/2T states tomorrow.
Yes, some HyperX also had problems working in pair. Either higher timings required or you just have not the best RAM for ocing.
every ram is somewhat different in ocing. even same models.

 

its very appreciated James

Here is example of the same corsair flashed as the same Samsung chips at 2133k Jedec Profile but again... its 1T... this time the stick seemed stable as 1 stick... two sticks of Samsung ran fine but if I add the second Corsair flashed like this it Balks...

so maybe the Command Rate is the only issue I am having... the Samsung chips were running 2 sticks of 4gb in dual channel and at 1T maybe its like you said and those chips just are better overclockers.

I just want to get these Corsair stable on Jedec Standard of 2133K if possible so I can put all 4 sticks in and hopefully attempt to get all of em going on the 2133mhz.

Spoiler

I read two conflicting advice on the interwebz... one said TB wont flash entire ram stick. So if one flashed a "brand A" to a "brand b" it would cause internal issues maybe even break the memory controller... is this true or can I safely flash a similar clocked Hynix THP to a Samsung or etc as long as the module size and rest matches?

 

Yes, Command Rate can be written into XMP profiles.
But when using JEDEC it is set via the sBios. If you don't have a BIOS setting available, then usually up to two sticks run in T1 and above it defaults to T2.
So there is a slight chance, that even though two sticks may fail, that 4 sticks will work.

An other thing I would suggest is try 12-12-12-45 and 12-13-12-36 (or 45) to get your troubled sticks stable at 2133Mhz.

GOOD LUCK!

 

good news been testing and got this
all at 12-12-12-36 using Jedec 2133K and just flashing via timing table no XMP all at 1.55v unless noted
using XTU memtest @ 10minutes

dimm0 samsung(#1)4gb2133 Dimm1 samsung(#2)4gb2133 passed
dimm0 Corsair(#1)4gb2133 Dimm1 no chip passed
dimm0 Corsair(#2)4Gb2133 dimm1 no chip passed
dimm0 no chip Dimm1 Samsung(#1)4gb2133 passed
dimm0 no chip dimm1 Corsair(#1)4gb2133 fail no boot fail post
dimm0 no chip dimm1 Corsair(#2)4gb2133 fail no boot fail post
dimm0 Corsair(#1)4gb2133 Dimm1 Samsung(#1)4gb2133 passed
dimm0 Corsair(#1)4gb2133 dimm1 samsung(#1)4gb2133(1.5volt) boots but Fail test


dimm0 Corsair(#1)4gb2133 Dimm1 Samsung(#1)4gb2133 plus the other pair of ram in any combo in Dimm3 and Dimm4 wont boot to Windows but I can post and get to bios and its running all 16gb and at 2133... I tried 1.5-1.65v and it didn't help but atleast I know all the chips are stable at 2133 12-12-12-36 at 1.55v.

So maybe they aren't switching to 2t with 3/4 dimms of ram the way I flashed them? is there a way for me to use the 2133k Jedec in XMP? I used the THP for corsair and the XMP2 listing 2133 loads 1866 in my bios on XMP2 and 1600mhz on XMP1 where it should be 1866 for that one. If i can get a XMP to load as programmed I'll be all set.

I noticed like you said about Timing Table Editor has no Command Rate option and its not set via Jedec... and in the XMP editor the second tab has the command rate setting... I tried making XMP of my own before but I dont think I did it correct... the current method I've gotten to work was select 2133k in the DDr3 tablr in timing editor made sure checksum was correct and flashed the chips. Can anyone help make a THP? all it needs is the Jedec 2133K speed rating and a command rate of 2 if that fails I noted the THP from first post had command rate at 3 on the 2133k profile... so i'm not sure... and it didn't load the XMP correct on that THP

Or Prema... thank you by the way... would you suggest trying those timings on the Jedec and not worry about attempting to set a command rate? The above was still on 12-12-12-36.. now they are stable with 2 sticks like that what would you suggest. 16gb 2133 should be possible

I guess the above is where I am at for now until someone can help me put that same profile into an XMP profile and successfully get the profile to run the speed that has been set in XMP. Thanks guys hope someone can help me figure this out

 

Being able to boot and have them pass a few rounds of memtest are two different things and T2 usually won't get you all the way to rock stable.

Its advisable to find a stable base and take it from there with tightening the timings.
So in this case I would suggest to alter the table to 12-13-12-36 for all 4.

 

Okay I'll do that tonight and report back if they are working all 4 at once at that... So test with memtest and how long?

The testing above was just to see if they would boot then a light mem test 10min if they did via intel XTU program. I'm hopeful all will work on the timing you provided thank you Prema.

I'll flash them later and test... They are so close to stable... Like I said individually each stick now is not crashing in anything I ran or benched at 2133 but using 3 or 4 no boot but loads at 2133 according to bios. So the 13 in place of the 12 is a good way to loosen the timing for 4 dimms... that's neat that it could be that simple.

It would help to use what you may suggest as a run time to test the chips in MemtestX86 that's the one you suggest right? Just use the latest version or is there a particular bug free version...

Someone I know the screen got garbled after a few hours testing and the chips are fine not sure if that happens I guess assume it's fine and rerun it for a few more hours?

 

YES, once it works fine in Windows you get Memtest86+ & boot it from a pendrive.
Let it at least complete 3 full rounds, before you tweak things more like forcing T1 etc.

 

The guides look interesting, but what about including actually how to flash the modules? I don't see the procedure to do that anywhere?

 

A rep for us both if you'd be so kind?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/ali...enchmark-thread-part-4-a-235.html#post8381346

 

I just can't make myself edit that huge first post again. you have no idea how does it look like when I press edit button

 

Lol, shiny, testing, will leave thanks.

 

use something like word or an external editor to edit it. it's what i did for the m18x benchmark thread.
or
when in edit mode...expand it out super wide and use ctrl f to find a good edit point you are looking for...

 

trolol?

533mhz modules to 800mhz.

Because my bios lets me individually select profiles I can just write XMP profiles, if it fails I reset my bios and it goes back to standard timings.

 

for now I have my Samsung on tighter timings running nicely. They are flashed as Corsair with the timing table so they use tight timings at lower speeds...

Spoiler

 

Hello guys, Can somebody do me a small favour and mod my samsung 1333 dump to make it use 1333 timings on 1066 ? honestly i just need correct CRC. I would be very thankful. (one stick altered is enough, so second one will run on same setting right ?)

I have stock 2x2gb modules (micron/samsung) they separately run quite good on 1333 at 1066 timings but not in dual channel I even bought 2x4 kingston hyperX 1600 kit but those modules cant handle it not even solo so I returned them.

I am sorry for OT.
and one question, is it possible by altering spd table voltage to force laptop to increase voltage for ram ?

thanks

 

So you want to make them slower? CL9 @ 1066?

Voltage can only be altered when we use XMP profiles, otherwise only via your sBios.

 

my friend i've had most likely the same Kingston and they do work flawlessly at 1600mhz... its not really shown or documented but the XMP Hyperx at 1600mhz could require up to 1.65v often run on much less but unless you tried that there good chance the chips would have worked... but they could have been damaged in which case a replacement set would have done you better than the ram you are attempting to work with.

In the end we are using the bios to set the ram voltage beyond plain 1.5v so I am unsure on that.

I'm not sure I understand how you need the THP altered... your chips btw should run in Dual channel...


well you might want to have someone make sure this will work first but I put 533 timing into the 1333 table but the side effect is the other timings are all lower so I'd proceed with caution these may not let you boot the chips at 533 anymore then? here is pic left side is whats in this modded thp and the table on the right is what your timing table looks like stock also you may notice 400mhz didn't even show then... perhaps a seasoned veteran can jump in and help?

I almost thought that but he wants 1033 timings on his 1333mhz profile making them much tighter... not sure I did so correct. Prema does the pic look correct... all i used was the timing table and updated hex editor

i dont know I noticed the spd revision changed from 1.0 to 1.1?