AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

I know, I read it being 4 channels too. If it really is only two channels, what is the point? Unless this thing can boost to 5.5ghz or something. Doesn't make any sense.

 

This chips must be extremely cheap if this will be a viable option. If not scrap it as options. HEDT platform and only 2 channels chips Will Intel push out this <crippled> option for a very good deal? Most likely no. What's then the point? Only a gaming chips in a more costly HEDT platform is a screwed idea. And 6 cores mainstream chips is on the way.

Btw
AMD Ryzen R5 1600X takes down 6 core global first places on launch day

 

http://www.pcgamer.com/amds-wireless-vr-technology-and-talent-grab-hints-at-something-bigger/
AMD buys wireless VR chip company...

 

AMD Ryzen 5 Review Roundup
https://videocardz.com/68282/amd-ryzen-5-review-roundup

Spoiler: Current list

Website Language Ryzen 5 Model Memory Testing Overclocking Gaming
4Gamer Japanese Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X NO NO NO
Adrenaline Portugese Ryzen 5 1400 YES YES YES
AnandTech English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X NO NO YES
Bit-Tech English Ryzen 5 1600X NO YES YES
BitWit English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X
ComputerBase German Ryzen 5 1600X 1600 1500X 1400 NO YES YES
ElChapuzas Informatico Spanish Ryzen 5 1600 Ryzen 5 1400 NO YES YES
eTeknix English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X YES YES YES
Expreview Chinese Ryzen 5 1600X NO YES NO
GamersNexus, #2 English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X
Golem German Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X NO YES YES
Guru3D English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X NO YES YES
HardwareBattle Korean Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X YES NO YES
Hardware.info Dutch Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X YES YES YES
Hardware.fr French Ryzen 5 1600X 1600 1500X 1400 YES YES YES
HardwareCanucks English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X YES YES YES
HardwareUnboxed English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X
HDTecnologia Spanish Ryzen 5 1600X NO YES YES
HotHardware English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X NO YES YES
Hexus English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X YES YES YES
Ixbt Russian Ryzen 5 1600X NO NO NO
JagatReview Indonesian Ryzen 5 1600X 1600 1500X 1400 NO YES NO
JokerProductions English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X
KitGuru English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X YES YES
LesNumeriques French Ryzen 5 1600X NO NO YES
LinusTechTips Canadish Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X
NordicHardware Swedish Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X YES YES YES
NCIXTechTips English Ryzen 5 1600X 1600 1500X 1400
Overclockers.com English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X YES YES YES
OverclockersClub English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X YES NO YES
Paul’s Hardware English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X
PCLab Polish Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X NO YES YES
PCGamesHardware German Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X YES YES YES
PCPerspective, #2 English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X YES NO YES
PCWorld English Ryzen 5 1600X NO NO YES
PurePC Polish Ryzen 5 1400 YES YES YES
SweClockers Swedish Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X NO YES YES
TechCity English Ryzen 5 1600X NO YES YES
TechDeals English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X NO NO YES
TechPowerUP English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X
TechReport English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X NO NO YES
TechSpot English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X NO YES YES
Tom’s Hardware English Ryzen 5 1600X YES YES
TweakTown English Ryzen 5 1600X Ryzen 5 1500X NO YES YES
WCCFTech, #2 English Ryzen 5 1600X NO NO YES
XFastest Chinese Ryzen 5 1600X
ZOL Chinese Ryzen 5 1600X YES YES YES

AMD Ryzen 5 1500X/1600X review round up
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57087/amd-ryzen-5-1500x-1600x-review-round-up/index.html

Spoiler: Current list

YouTube Reviews






AMD Ryzen 5 1600X/1500X Review Roundup
TopTenGamer
PCWorld
Guru3D
TechSpot
PCGamesN
Tom's Hardware
ServeTheHome
WCCFTech
AnandTech
The Tech Report
Trusted Reviews
KitGuru
Hexus
ExtremeTech
TechRadar
TechARP
PC Perspective
Hot Hardware
The Tech Revolutionist
Digital Trends
Bit-Tech
HardOCP

The early release (ebay) Ryzen 5 hands-on reviews sated my thirst for Ryzen 5 info, and are worth linking again as they have lots of good tuning info:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/amds-ryzen-cpus-formerly-zen.799348/page-120#post-10501136

 

Like I've said before; theoretical vs. real world is misleading on it's own. Sigh...

The 'rumored' threadripper? Sigh again.

Let's compare real products, shall we?


As for the Ryzen 5 being so superior (last few posts)? I side with this article and their more solid conclusion:

See:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-cpu-review,5014.html

Have a good read above... there is lots of good info - not marketing/video 'splash'...

 

Fine, we'll hold that discussion for further leaks or 7 weeks for computex. Just delays the inevitable. Here's a good article.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11244/the-amd-ryzen-5-1600x-vs-core-i5-review-twelve-threads-vs-four

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Thanks for the link. I'll have to read it more thoroughly tomorrow.

A quick skim of the facts in the conclusion though seems to state the same thing: a workload that can take advantage of more cores indicates an AMD platform... Except when an Intel platform can do so at half the price (if we're stuck with i5's...)...


Really, we seem to read the same 'data' and get totally different conclusions - again.

Will AMD be a contender (I hope so)... Has AMD shaken things up for Intel (again; yeah I hope so)... Will both AMD and Intel enthusiasts benefit if AMD and Intel keep going for a few more rounds? Definitely.

But...

Does AMD have a processor that a professional would buy today? Not in my circle of peers... with all aspects carefully considered.



(And yeah; I have no doubt that there are just as many professionals that need high core/low clocked cpu's with workflows that don't depend so much on the finicky Infinity fabric (high latency) as it is today).

 

Intel can't at half the price. In fact, the conclusions come down to cost of ram in the build, primarily. Also, many reviews point out that more cores will be supported down the road, which is confirmed with Intel cutting prices on 6+ cores and AMD working on helping with software optimizations. Future proof, longer life is AMD. Once ram costs switch over, then the 7700k is better. Also, you like to focus solely on game performance when AMD does quite well outside of games.

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Edit: also, streaming and photo editing, AMD won that battle. If that isn't your work, so be it. But have respect! They are professionals!

 

And @tilleroftheearth You ain't a gamer

 

Interesting results from comparing Ryzen 5 CPU's -> 4 core vs 6 core, 1500x vs 1600x. Strange 1500x results make the 1600x shine in comparison. Shows Intel i5 running out of headroom on 1070, probably 1060 even with slightly faster FPS vs Ryzen in some unoptimized games.

The Ryzen R5 1600X and R5 1500X Review - A Game of Two Halves

 

Noticed there is a new AMD Ryzen Community Update #3
https://community.amd.com/community/gaming/blog/2017/04/06/amd-ryzen-community-update-3

 

'Down the road' doesn't interest too many pro's in the 'here and now' world of platform availability. Intel cutting prices on 6+ cores isn't a 'confirmation' either; it is simply business.

When will 'more cores' = 'more productivity'? When it does. That is not today for anything but a handful of specialized workflows.

Btw; photo editing is what I do; AMD (still) can't touch Intel there with the current tools I use.

Streaming? Not my department, nor is video editing... (yeah; that is were AMD makes sense for some).

 

It, depending on software, will be soon. Some software benefits, some is capped at 22 threads, etc. But, what you point to is if you use primarily GPU based, IPC counts for allot. I have to concede that although more cores help, it doesn't make up for the IPC with certain software. Optimizations will help close the gap, but I have to concede if that is the sticking point. CPU encoding, most programs are best or even with AMD and due to optimizations, it is flipping on a couple programs (like certain projects in Adobe). But knowing the industry now, I have to concede on your current workload depending on program and on processing.

What I meant by 6-cores being cheaper and brought to the mainstream, programs may see themselves, since AMD also has products utilizing multi-threading also, optimizing to scale regardless of core count, which will help. But many in that industry already have great video cards and more than likely 6+ cores. So, now I know how to approach it when discussing with you.

 

AMD Ryzen Part 2: 4-way Ryzen vs Intel: Double Blind Experiment (Part 2 of 3)
"Ryzen we know it's good, but is it Smooth?"
"Is it Smoother than Bud Light"?

 

Is it smoother than goat urine? I certainly hope so! (watching now).

 

Ryzen 5 1600X ($249) & 1500X ($189) Definitive Benchmarking VS Intel 5820K ($409)


Can a BIOS Update Increase FPS for AMD Ryzen PCs?


AMD Ryzen 5 1600 VS Ryzen 7 1700 - Gaming Benchmarks
(I'm looking for 1600x vs 1700 results...this is closest yet)


Which CPU To Pick For a Gaming PC? - Ryzen 1600x or 1500x
Blunty has *6* Ryzen 5 video's up...


Best CPU for Streaming? - RYZEN 1600x vs INTEL i5 - Streaming Shoot-Out


Ryzen 5 1400 + GTX 1070 - 1080P Ultra Gaming - 9 Games Tested
$169 CPU kicks ass, and TheFullSetup has a bunch of 1400 / 1070 gaming video's

 

Been wanting to spend some time with it myself. I'm not due for an upgrade for a while though and I don't have an am4 mobo lying around.

 

I hear you. I'll be selling the 6700K rig to go up to ThreadRipper or Skylake-X (most likely thread ripper). I suppose I should also get on selling my old DDR3, mxm cards, etc. Every dollar going toward a water chilled build...

 

Thread ripper looks like a monster. Do it.

 

I'm only debating the 12 and 16 core. I need more than I have, but question how much do I need. If the prices are $750-850 on the 12 core and $1000-1200, that will determine which I get. Either way, I'm waiting to see ram support for the platform after the AGESA update! I have two 2x8GB Trident Z 4133 19-21-21 kits that I'll keep if it can run 3733 (I currently run them with custom air cooling @3733@CL 14 17-17-36-280). I've gotten 4000 stable on all four on a board that has a max support of 3866, @CL16. So if those can work with threadripper (especially 4GHz), I'll be flying!

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The ThreadRipper seems like a beast and may be priced accordingly. It is already expected to be over 2x the cost of a 1800x for the 16C32T variant. While it may not be a gaming CPU optimally it will be a major workhorse. Time to save up the all the coinage you can find.

 

I haven't even put away enough for a 1080Ti yet.

 

Don't feel bad. I'm running a 980Ti right now. Looks like I need to sell the 2670QM, 2760QM, 4x4GB DDR3 1333 corsair ram, 2x8GB Geil DDR3 1600 (both corsair and Geil is so-dimms). Possibly my gtx 970m. Then my 980 Ti Classy, M8E motherboard, and my 6700K. Take all of that, plus some extra, while keeping my ram (after all, my Trident Z 4133 are Samsung B-die, just dual rank ). I think that is a good start toward a ThreadRipper rig with Vega. Especially with my new monitor.


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I am starting my own desktop setup. I just got the monitor and am using it for now with my laptop;

 

Looks nice! I'm using both my P770ZM and my desktop with it. I still have all my work stuff on my laptop at the moment...

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This series continues to be interesting, but seems like it went "nowhere"...finer cuts of Ryzen timings...

Gameplay/Frametimes of GTA V on Ryzen & Intel (3/3)

 

It looks like the 1600 will be a good choice over the 1600x just like the 1700 over the 1700x, this comparison shows that.

Coupled with the gaming results 1600 vs 1700 previously (and again below), it looks like the choice comes down a slim margin with gaming for the 1600, and choosing the 1700 is mostly for applications work - although some games do get a boost from the 2 extra cores and 4 more threads of the 1700 vs the 1600.

 

Is that your new monitor? What is it?

 

A vizio P50-C1 4K TV. Has an input lag of 16ms.

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What sort of frames are you getting at 4K on your 980TI? I feel like 1440p is pushing mine at ultra in some games.

 

Haven't tried yet. I just got it setup and have work for the next week. After that, I'll get beck to you on FPS. I'll test on a couple games, like shadow of Mordor. Considering grabbing wildlands and a couple other new games, but unsure...

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Since not a gamer here The 16C ThreadRipper along with a GTX 1080 Ti sounds like the ticket for admission in the near future. I would hate to buy just an 1800x and regret it less than a year later.

 

I definitely agree with that. Vega may be up there also. That is likely why Nvidia did the Titan Xp.

Also, my screen is limited to 60Hz. It would have costed hundreds more to get the model with 120Hz. For the Vizio P-series, the 50 inch is a VA display with 60Hz, the 55" is an IPS with 120Hz, and all sizes above that are VA with 120Hz. Now, if looking for the best HDR 4K gaming TVs, the OLEDs are some of the best.

Edit: I got what I did because I found it on sale for $725 and I'm not a big gamer. So, I couldn't justify the expense for my work.

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/11279/intel-discontinues-the-intel-developer-forum-idf17-cancelled

I think this is due to trying to shore up margins with upcoming pricing cuts, personally. Likely, AMD gave them a good kick in the cajones when they kicked them in their pants!

 

That's it.

I am buying AMD shares next week.

 

You need to time it. Wait for the morning of the earnings release. Share price should go down ahead of earnings, which I believe Goldman forced last week. You want to buy at a low. Earnings are on the 21st I believe (check before taking my word). If the Q1 numbers look good, jump on it before the price goes up. Just be aware that, depending on Vega performance, it could be moderate on Q2 performance. Q3 has Naples sells and APU and mobile finishing the year. That is when we'll see how much Ryzen and Naples brought. Also, be aware of a looming price war. It looks like Intel plans on cutting prices, lowering margin, which will effect addition. ...

But ultimately, invest you will.

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Yes, exactly.

Thanks for the heads up. Lets see how this goes.

Time is not an issue, I will keep these stocks for the next 50 years, so be it!

 

Long term, I can't say how it will do, but between Ryzen, Naples, and Vega, AMD is putting a strong foot forward! They have two of the three big console contracts (PS and XBOX, but lost Nintendo to Nvidia) which will help. Moving forward, I don't know the upward momentum, but it does look like they'll be able to meet their debts and not file bankruptcy, which was a worry at one point.

 

Those are the key areas in my opinion. AMD Ryzen 5 and APU's. Those will be the cornerstone of their profitability. Naples is the other point that AMD NEEDS to do well. AMD should be in a great position with Enterprises looking to upgrade within the next two to three quarters. The problem is Intel is going to be extremely aggressive on pricing as you've stated. Hopefully AMD is ready.

 

I am looking forward to their APU's too.

However, with all of that said, if AMD doesn't withhold the weight of the mainstream and get that foot in the door before it closes, there wont be much more to come for, it is a very profitable market.

edit: corrected my stupid biased sentence

 

Servers are $14-16B, Gaming CPU is $2-4B, mobile has been growing, but not a lot for laptops. Because of this, hitting the CPU mainstream first made sense, both to get market share, get software optimizations started, iron out the wrinkles, prove the demand to hardware partners, etc. Next is taking Intel head on for server and workstation market share, which Intel owns over 99%of. With getting their eggs in a row, they could take market share of this space AND the HEDT workstation/Gaming segment with threadripper. Even catching a couple percent of the server market is huge for AMD. So, the low and mid range products waiting is no problem if they get the big fish.


@Rage Set - just saw your response. Read this...
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From AMD's competitor... Intel 300 series chipsets to integrate USB 3.1 Gen 2 and Gigabit WIFI - Guru3d.com You're welcome

As expected... BGA Trash will also come with 6C-12T as I have seen before.

"Intel 300 series desktop processor motherboard will be based on the current LGA 1151 socket. Earlier rumours stated that the 300 Series chipset's Coffee Lake-S processor will provide 6 Cores 12 threaded CPUS, which is Intel's first in the mainstream platform to enhance the number of processors and threads."

 

Extreme Ryzen Gaming Performance:...

 

Way too little, way too late - it's not even shipping until "late" 2017

Intel is behind, and won't be able to sell these lessor CPU's against Ryzen releases for the same $, probably much less - same for the motherboards, not leaving much margin for OEM's - they'll probably give Series 300 boards short shrift, and focus on Ryzen

Come on Intel, bring out the good stuff, stop holding back

 

Is this better? Intel Cancels Intel Developer Forum - Guru3d.com

"Now we get our info and samples through other ways then Intel these days, but it is indicative as to the why, how and what is going on with Intel. They just do not want to communicate with media anymore This morning news reaches us that the yearly technology event IF, the Intel Developer Forum now is scrapped. here developers, media and analysts always have been briefed on new and upcoming technology."

 

Yup, it's a sad day that Intel needs to hide out and come up with a new game plan, right in the middle of a CPU core count Renaissance, handing it all over the AMD in the consumer arena, and soon in the server rooms across the world.

Oh well, Intel will dig out the "good stuff" and come out swinging...

Then we'll have the good 'ole days with AMD on top, then Intel trying to claw their way back, I wonder how it will turn out this time?

 

Intel should have had same competition several years ago as now They are shaken, but will not admit it