AMD's Ryzen CPUs (Ryzen/TR/Epyc) & Vega/Polaris/Navi GPUs

The only CPUs that AMD has ever had in laptops that I can remember were the inexpensive consumer stuff. It's possible I am forgetting one from long ago or maybe there was something I never took notice of, but I don't remember ever seeing a high performance notebook (or one facetiously marketed as such) powered by an AMD CPU.

That has potential to be nice, IF (and here is the catch) AMD actually produces a show-stopping GPU that can achieve flagship GeForce GPU killing status and overclock like a banshee. If they do not or cannot do that, then probably not something to write home about. Now, would I like to see that? Hell yeah... of course. I'd love to see that.

 

usually AMD has much higher clock speeds like 5 GHz, how come these are low clocks now? is it because of the more cores?

Is it still the case the Intel CPUs have better performance clock for clock?

 

By then, intel will have 14-16 cores.... so yeah.

I will keep my eye out on Naples.

 

So, IPC is between Haswell and Broadwell-E. Also, this uses SMT (hyperthreading) which means two threads per core, unlike their 5GHz chip which also had 8 cores but was CMT.

So, clock for clock, Intel is still king on Skylake and Kaby, which means that this summer, their Skylake-E/X and Kaby-X will outperform on a per clock basis. Depending on OC (which SL and KL overclocked way better in some ways to HW and BW), they'll be back on top. But, the prices may be forced down, which we are all praying for!!!

Remember, Intel Skylake-E/X is looking at hexa-channel, Naples is looking at octo-channel on the 32C/64T chip. If the entire line uses octo-channel, you may consider that if you need it for your uses.

 

@Mr. Fox You are correct. They never had nothing fancy in laptops and a lot of the early stuff would fry after one good overheat session.

 

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-world-record/

@Johnksss@iBUYPOWER - This is an article you want to see!

Edit: sorry, beat the 8 core world record, not the 10 core... Please ignore...

 

The 19" mALX (M59K, M590K, M590KE)?

It's funny I was just wondering when the frying would be brought up. When was the last time that happened? Here's something from that era - at least they do fine if you keep them cool, unlike someone that fail at maths and there's no way to fix it.

 

That's because I was one of those with the many over heat once fail. Intel overheats and just restarts or just sits there locked out at 85C on tcase until you restart.
Do I detect a AMD fan boy?
I don't care either way it goes. I bench parts so if AMD has a winner then i'll grab that and bench it.

Edit:
They can have losers as well. I'll still bench those parts if I have them at my disposal.

Nice they beat Inel by 2445 (4 points) and ran June 6th 2016. So only time will tell if they decide to retest the 5960X or let the scores stand. Although I don't see any 6900's anywhere in the mix so they definitely win that battle.

 

AMD has overclocked high for a good while now, but it doesn't actually win them any benchmarks because an AMD CPU clocked at 8.0GHz runs like an i7 clocked at 4.0GHz... historically speaking... they are inefficient. Even some of the BGA turdbook i7 CPUs are more powerful than the pre-Ryzen best they had to offer. Their CPUs have been losing chips since the Core2 Duo introduced. The last time they had better CPUs than Intel was in the P4 days. But, that could change with Ryzen.

 

Reminds me of my AMD Athlon CPU I had years ago..... that was a sucker

 

Well, look who the designer of the Athlon and Ryzen chips was...

 

The circa-2006 Clevo D900K had the legendary Athlon FX-60 back in the day, don't ask me how I remember. It kicked the pants off anything Intel had at the time.

I owned an HP Pavilion zv5000z back in 2004, it had an Athlon 64 3400+ (and was offered with the even faster 3700+). It was a beast.

The Turion 64 was pretty competitive with the original Intel Pentium M, I had one of those too.

Up until this point today, I was starting to feel young again, so thanks for nothing.

Charles

 

Pre order prices in the UK

https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/amd/ryzen

1800X - £489.99
1700X - £389.99
1700 - £319.99

 

LOL, you're right. I forgot about that CPU. I had planned to build a desktop with an FX-60 and never got around to it. That was before my laptop days and I did not know HP had put one of those in a laptop.

Darn it! Now I feel old as well. But, that wasn't long ago in human years. It sure feels like it though.

 

I had a Turion 64 in my first laptop (it was an HP). That was before I knew of Clevo, though, and when I had much less cash to spend on computer equipment. My desktop at that point was still running my Athlon (circa 2003 - 2800+ overclocked to 3.2GHz on a biostar board) ...

But now I'll be stepping up with the 1800X...

 

well now, HP put that inside a laptop?


look at the state of HP laptop nowadays though

 

Depends on your definition. What makes a fan boy? I've say it quite a few times already, but here it is again - I want balance and proper discussion, if you throw some dirt, I'll be there to throw something in return. A few people were affected by the bug I mentioned, so there - balance. Everything clear? Moving on.

Was trying to recall this model, thanks.

 

I see over at XoticPC, they have pre-orders for their custom desktops using Ryzen. For those that do not want to build their own.

 

I think the slides from the AMD announcement said 19 Elite PC Builders with builds using Ryzen at launch, and +100 expected within Q1. Gaming towers from top OEM's in 1H17. 82+ motherboards available at launch.

http://www.xoticpc.com/desktops?utm_source=hp-banner&utm_campaign=ryzen-preorder

 

If you have to ask then you already know what a fanboy is. Me, I have no problems being a fanboy about whatever i'm passionate about. Doesn't matter to me.

I don't throw dirt i drop truck loads. Here I just made mentioning of what happen to me. Failed Amd products due to overheating. And the machines we took in for it. Sorry but we had more of that than math problems.

Let's examine your "math problem" as you call it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_FDIV_bug
Happens around 1994 to 1995 depending on how you want to look at it.
While AMD overheating is around 2001 with the Athlon Xp's

As to balance and proper discussion. Early days mean just that. Early days when this was happening. (The time those of us had them and it was happening. If you had one then the reference would make sense) No one said anything about it being recent days or did they? AMD has had nothing but problems since 2008 and hopefully that part is behind them. Only time will tell that as well.

At the end of the day, makes no difference to me. It works when I want it to, then i'm a happy "Fan Boy Camper" My feelings are not "hurt" by the use of the term like quite a few folks are.

Personally I hope they get back into the game so we have something else to work with. Since even with Amd trying to get back in the game, Intel nor Nvidia are going to drop their prices lower than AMD. any time soon..... And that I have no problem being wrong at in the future.

 

Why are half the AM4 motherboard pre-orders on Newegg "out of stock"? Are they selling out of pre-order motherboards already?

 

Many pre-orders have limited allocations, it's not a poll to collect lists of people interested in purchase, it's a pre-order before the availability release date for a fixed number of pre-ordered quantities.

There have been a number of journalists warning that a pre-order might be a good idea if you really want to get Ryzen up and running as early as possible.

And, it looks like they were right, Ryzen parts pre-order can come up against limited quantity availability.

 

I will either wait for the EK confirmation on the monoblock or wait for the MB reviews before I make the purchase, but no one is snapping up the MSI...

 

Why would you say that is the conclusion as to the MSI availability? Maybe they made many more available?

MSI makes great motherboards, I don't think it's right to cast aspersion otherwise without actually knowing one way or the other for certain.

 

I'm not saying it's not a great board, it's currently at the top of my list. I'm saying it is one of the few highest end whose presale allotment is still available today.

Edit: with many purchasers being budget oriented, the high quality and matching price may be part of the equation...

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Glad I said something, your response paints a much different picture than I got from your first comment

 

So they've finally released RYZEN, seeing those benchmark results and the price, I'm sold! Now if they can cram these things inside a laptop with a GTX 10 series a dream come true.

 

gullible

 

The Asus Hero is still available. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06W2L6GB...TF8&colid=3RQSP99BYHCW1&coliid=I2JUH6M0US0I75

I'm making a Ryzen wish list and checking it twice.

 

Newegg sold out of Asus before I got there to see earlier. Amazon only had the Prime bundle and the MSI up earlier. I'm sure some outlets contacted the manufacturers to express increased demand. All I know is day one I will have it purchased and have my system running by early to mid-march.

 

I'm looking at the Asrock X370 Taichi and 1800X, then build from there.

 

Some of the parts aren't obvious on Amazon. I had to look through 4 pages to find the Hero. This morning there was a bundle with the 1700x, corsair AIO and Asus Prime board for $559. That lasted about 5 minutes before someone caught their error I think.

 

Could be. Or, maybe just too eager. I prefer to observe and see if the money being spent is wise or wasted. Making buying decisions based on carefully crafted marketing hype is much like gambling, or a male performance disorder, depending on how you look at it.

Put another way... If you get too distracted by a pretty face, in a room with strategically placed lighting, you might not notice there is an Adam's apple a few inches down from where they want you to focus your gaze.

Product launch has never been the best time to spend money.

 

@Johnksss@iBUYPOWER - in case you wanted to know who actually OCed Ryzen for the first place...

Reposted from HWBot.org facebook page:
Ryzen 7 1800X: 2449 points in Cinebench R15 - GLOBAL FIRST PLACE for 8 core processors. We're waiting for the final validation, but this is exciting!

Congrats to the OC team: Jon Sandström, Petri Korhonen, Sami Mäkinen!




More context (rankings) here: http://hwbot.org/benchmark/cinebench_-_r15/rankings?cores=8

Cinebench R15 World Record Leaderboard here: http://hwbot.org/benchmark/cinebench_-_r15/halloffame


Edit: http://www.tweaktown.com/news/56402/amd-ryzen-7-1800x-hits-1-best-selling-cpus-amazon/index.html

 

That "ASUS ROG Crosshair VI Hero AMD Ryzen AM4" is the #1 Motherboard on Amazon right now.

4 Ryzen Motherboards are in the top 10:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/electronics/1048424/ref=zg_b_bs_1048424_1

 

Please clevo, please !
Let me get rid of intel and nvidia.

 

I actually already knew, but waiting on the other 33 or so cpu benchmark tests to show up..

 

IDK, I'm thinking it could be as many as 44, or as low as 22 cpu benchmark tests showing up

 

Only talking about the ones that matter.

Edit:
I'm only looking at it from a benching point of view for points.

 

Well, if the people you know give recommendations on boards, I'm all ears. Just give a list and I'll read to the *bottom* to know which ones are recommended....

 

[Retracted. hmscott points out below that Linus explained that the notebooks were used for demonstrating streaming gameplay from a desktop, not actually running the game. So they probably were stock HP Envy x360 (Bristol Ridge) rather than Raven Ridge engineering samples.]

 

The notebooks in the Ryzen demo area weren't necessarily Ryzen - in fact I totally doubt they were otherwise they would have been specifically mentioned.

In Linus's Ryzen announcement video he went to that Demo area, and those laptops were only being used as part of demoing the performance of more cores in Ryzen over less cores in Intel CPU, starts at 7:30:

Spoiler: AMD RYZEN 7 OFFICIAL LAUNCH - ALL THE DETAILS

 

Should you pre-order Ryzen? 1800X 1700X 1700 CPUs


Some youtube comments:

Xavier Gonzalez 35 minutes ago
Yeah now, New egg and Amazon have sold out several times. Newegg has sold out of the 1800x three times. And its sold out again.

Robert Faber 18 minutes ago
+BARROWS - Order from Germany; that's what I did. International shipping rates for German retailers are very generous indeed; I can't memorise the chart off the top of my head, but I believe shipping to Italy was somewhere between €10 and €20, which barely makes a dent to a €568 CPU.

Jerry Collins 1 hour ago
Never pre order! Always wait for the reviews. That goes for hardware as well as games. That way you don't have to fight to get it returned later.

Robert Faber 13 minutes ago
Ordinarily, I'd agree, but in this instance, I have been waiting seven years (!!!) for AMD to offer a CPU that has significantly increased performance over my current Phenom II X6 1055T, and since I'd rather drown than buy Intel, getting a Ryzen chip was my only option. As such, I preordered a Ryzen7 1800X the day preorders opened.

And, another video dropped...

Spoiler: Tech Talk #144 - More AMD tech and stuff

 

HP Omen and Macbook Pro seems to have partnered with AMD but does that mean they don't have the RYZEN chip in them?

 

I was set to pre-order both my Asrock mobo and 1800X, but I'm going to wait a couple more weeks after the reviews start appearing. My budget for my mobo alone is $500.00, which means, I want to do my due diligence on all of them. AMD will get my money after several years with Intel in my personal builds, that much is sure but I want to finish my research homework.

Does anyone here have any experience with Asrock? I never used any of their mobo's before. Based off what I've seen thus far, they are a lot like the Asus/MSI's of the industry, a mixture of good and bad reviews.

 

So, I agree with waiting. Turns out, board binning for memory performance is in play, as it is with Intel.

Asrock is a group of engineers that broke away from Asus. Their OC Formula was one of the best boards for Z170.

Also, consider buying a binned chip with $100 of that. Why not since the highest priced board, I believe, is the MSI X370 Xpower titanium at $300.

And I don't think anyone sells binned boards unless you pick off the scraps of top overclockers (but you'll never get lucky and find a diamond either)...

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Not necessarily. There are leaked slides of when to expect R5 (Q2) and R3 (H2), which are nowhere to be seen on the official press-releases. As Linus said, he was reporting from a 3 hour conference, where the AMD's official video is half an hour.

Subsidiary to ASUS.

 

Thanks for that correction. I haven't inspected the corporate information/filings yet, otherwise I would have seen the parent/sub relationship. I wonder how tight a leash they have? (Meaning more or less autonomy with corporate insiders of the parent sitting on the board or as management of the subsidiary and the allowed freedom of development). I'll check that out next week...

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R1700 is a 65W 8C/16T monster

why aren't oems like clevo (eurocom/xotic ) trying to get this into laptops is beyond me.