Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake

No power unlock, so still on the 96 second (or maybe longer / adjustable?) Max Power Timeout. But, many things run in segments small enough to be resetting that counter, so it could be ok.

8850H specs
https://ark.intel.com/products/134899/Intel-Core-i7-8850H-Processor-9M-Cache-up-to-4_30-GHz

4.3ghz + 400mhz = 4x 4.7ghz, so that's certainly awesome for a laptop CPU. Not the 5.0ghz advertised for the 8950HK by Alienware, but better than past generations.

As compared to the previous undervolted normal daily driver OC of 4.0ghz before Kabylake, and the undervolted 7820HK GT73 daily driver speed I set up as 4.2ghz (stock using XTU) - 4.1ghz DGC limited - and 4.5ghz on stock everything, but fans were loud.

4.7ghz for benchmarking is a nice bump, with maybe a daily driver speed of 4.5ghz this time.

It's a nice jump up in speeds, as well as 50% more cores/threads.

Memory speed seems to be limited to 2666mhz even with OC, but maybe that will change over time.

It's a pretty nice potential bump in performance overall, now we need production unit reviews to see which ones do the best.

 

Still not sure how but the surfacebook 2 seems to be a little out of place... unless its single core perf is really that good?


From my personal experience owning one I have to disagree.

 

4.3 GHz is one core, 6 cores is 4GHz, so theoretically, 4.4GHz overclock is possible for all six cores if the power limits are not hard coded.

 

Usually the "boost" frequency Max is "out the window" when OC'ing the multiplier, that locks in the frequency and there is no boost involved.

So you would set all cores to the maximum settable multiplier, and if they are saying a 400mhz OC is available, that would be from the maximum single core speed, or 4.3ghz for the 8850H (4.1ghz for the 8750H) + 400mhz = 4.7ghz for the 8850H (4.5ghz for the 8750H), given what we know from past experience.

It will be a couple of weeks before new owners get their units and report back what each model's BIOS and or XTU/TS settings will allow.

 

I'm sure most know Alienware never put all cores equal for their overclock profiles. And 8850Hq run stock 4.0GHz all 6 cores. Add +4 bin = 4.4GHz is managable a few sec before the clocks drops. As showed in Cinebench R15 a few posts back.


Intel Thermal Velocity Boost is a tiny extra turbo
Only the Core i9-8950HK and the Xeon Mobile E-2186M supported the new additional Turbo Intel Thermal Velocity Boost (and a configTDP of 35 watts). Behind it is an additional clock gain, which is very strictly coupled to the temperature. Recently, mobile CPUs were usually limited in time over the maximum allowable consumption.

The Thermal Velocity Boost works because the temperature only increases with a delay to the fast accelerating clock. Their acceleration (velocity) compared to the clock is low. This is exploited by the turbo, which is allowed to accelerate one core under load by an additional 200 MHz, several cores under load by an additional 100 MHz, as long as the CPU temperature does not reach a critical threshold.

Intel calculates this threshold in the notebook, however, at only 50 degrees Celsius. Especially with loads on several cores, experience shows that it takes only fractions of a second to reach this mark. The Thermal Velocity Boost then turns off again and the famous turbo takes over.​

The effects of the additional turbo to turbo should therefore only lead to a measurable result in scenarios with extremely short peak loads. Even then, 200 MHz at 4.6 GHz and 100 MHz at 4.2 GHz correspond to only a relatively small four percent and two percent, respectively.

 

Intel Just Launched A TON Of Stuff! Budget CPUs, Motherboards & More!

 

I think Alienware does that so they can advertise meaningless numbers and not get into trouble for false advertising. Most consumers never read the fine print or bother to check what the asterisk means. Once upon a time they tried to get me to focus on single core overclocking to see how high I could go with it and I told them it was a waste of time because nobody that knows and cares about overclocking gives a rat's butt about single core overclocking.

 

On top its over after 50 degrees Celsius is reached The chips is intended to be used where you have coold ambient temp!!

 

Need to build a dry ice cooler plate to feed the fans
Or maybe put it in a freezer?

 

Anyone feel depressed that owns a 7820hk? I’m kinda jealous over the new Zephyrus.

I’m ready to upgrade. It’s an addiction!

But no next gen gpu though.

 

You may want to look elsewhere for a new laptop
Recently encountered some "issues" with my gx501...
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...01-owners-lounge.805107/page-95#post-10705141

 

no thunderbolt 3 on that MSI ge63 8re/rf ? sad -_-

 

Xps were half speed for the longest time too. And those were "professional" so ppl bought em anyways...
Still it's sad that it isnt full speed considering it's mostly a defacto standard at this point

 

These models have Thunderbolt support:

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GS63-Stealth-Intel-8th-Gen/Specification

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GS65-Stealth-Thin-Intel-8th-Gen/Specification

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GS73-Stealth-Intel-8th-Gen/Specification

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT75-Titan-Intel-8th-Gen/Specification

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT83-Titan-Intel-8th-Gen/Specification

TYPE-C PORT - Thunderbolt 3*1
USB - USB 3.1 Gen2 *1; 3.1 Gen1 *2; 2.0 *1

 

What would most consumers actually need TB3 for if the notebook has a decent enough GPU inside of the chassis? I like that USB Type C doesn't have to be plugged in a certain way. That part is really awesome and the way it should have been all along. But, other than that, I haven't really identified anything about it that makes having TB3 or Type C an overly important or compelling part of the decision-making process. There are not many choices available in peripherals that function at full TB3 speeds, even though they have a Type C connector.

 

External displays? 30gb/s and mini dp over c means extended support for higher res/framerates in the future

 

If those new 4k 120hz nvidia monitors ever come out and have *decent* prices, the usb type c tb3 would be really handy to have.

 

Do we think there will be enough choices in peripherals at palatable prices surfacing before the newest laptops available are obsolete?

 

That's why I was surprised when Dell left it out of consecutive xps laptops cuz ppl take them and present off them. If th he projector or screen > 4k @60, which is actually likely in industry, things could get interesting...

 

Yeah, our posts crossed paths a bit. The *decent* prices part is kind of a big caveat. I have not seen much information lately to suggest Type C/TB3 peripheral options will be robust or reasonably priced. I'm sure that day will come, but right now not so sure if that is actually very soon.

4K @60Hz will be higher than the framerate affordably priced notebooks and moderately priced desktop builds are capable of achieving with good graphics quality settings. Maybe that had something to do with their decision. But, it would still make sense that they would have it as a gimmick drawing card even if the XPS notebooks lack the horsepower for quality 4K gaming.

 

Cough... RIP the display out of a used iMac 5k?
Idk as a student I can get decent discounts on displays...

Yall this is kinda getting off topic....

 

thing is 8950hk cost more than 8700k, binned worse than 8700k thus clocks lower than 8700k. it would be the next best thing if it cost only $300 for an unlocked chip. in terms of the architecture they are the same gen both CFL, if you put the same ram, frequency they'll perform the same in single threaded scenario, except BGA is less efficient.

 

Guys let's NOT do the bga lga thing again. This thread is for those bga processors only.

 

its not, he stated a few things and im sharing my opinion. if 8950hk cost only $300 it'll be a great choice for many and his statement of single threaded performance made little sense to me because overclock helps in all area except heat. also, MSI not putting 6c HK into their gt83vr is bullcrap, cause they can easily make better cpu heatsink. putting cpu fin radiator before the GPU radiator, change it to 4 pipe contact to shim instead of 2 pipe contact would easily solve their CPU overheating issue.

 

Msi DID put the 6c i9 HK in the 83....

 

Yup, same for the 7820HK models of the GT83 that never came to the USA, MSI USA needs to let HK unlocked CPU top sku models of the GT83 come through to the USA!!

 

I think Brother @ole!!! pointing out that it is an insanely overpriced inferior product is on-topic and a valid point for this thread. It's kind of funny that BGA CPUs being inferior but overpriced is too frequently overlooked. Saying Que Será, Será and accepting it as the cards you are being dealt is one thing, but the absurd pricing (or even identical pricing) for an inferior product seems to get swept under the rug. They should be cheaper, but they're not. It goes back to the concept that we will all have (and suffer from) what others are willing to put up with.

 

With 1080 Sli ?

 

Yea, the Zephrus is still interesting. But, I think its GTX1070 is only the 115 watt. Pretty sure how my 1070 is clocked its a pretty good difference over that device.

I'm holding tight to my X7 V7 until next gen GPU.

I do hope GTX Ampere will be similar to Pascal release though! GTX1070 was roughly 3% faster than GTX Titan X. If the GTX2070 is faster than a GTX Titan XP by 3% we are in for crushing 4K performance.

So, (6) cores at 4.3Ghz with GTX1080Ti level GPU's in portable laptops.

Its already amazingly fast, and its what we already have. Something amazing comes out, and we get use to the level of performance.

Kind of like being broke. You can have nothing and be broke, or you can have a brand new house and a Ferrari and be broke. its just brokenness on another level! lol

 

So whos buying a laptop with the i9 in it? Or whos upgrading? Any takers? I'm really curious as to what you fellow enthusiasts are thinking about this.

 

Most of the laptop purchase discussions are happening in the existing and new owners threads (for new model names), and in PM's.

There are a bunch of people already pre-ordering, and I hope they all come back and post their findings.

All very exciting, but it's going to be at least a couple of weeks away before we get their posts, unless someone ships earlier than April 16/17 which is the earliest release date I've seen for the i9-8950H models.

 

6 Core Laptop! Intel Core i7-8750H vs i7-7700HQ Benchmarked

Published on Apr 3, 2018
Check prices now:
Gigabyte Aero 15X: https://amzn.to/2Is2fH2
Core i7-8750H Laptops: https://amzn.to/2H9ulY7
Core i7-7700HQ Laptops: https://amzn.to/2Gx3Yu3
MSI GS65 Stealth: https://amzn.to/2GQdUSS

 

There are NO 6 core HK units with SLI 1080 that I can find. Even 1070 SLI only has the H chip too.

 

Honestly and truthfully. I was one of the people who thought a i5 was all you ever needed. 6th gen and 7th gen i5 can really bottleneck a GPU. Not that there are very many bga laptops if any at all, with a i5 in it paired with a powerful enough GPU to even be bottlenecked but...

I ran a i5 at 5.1Ghz with a GTX1080 at 1080P, and 1440P and several of my game titles were severely bottlenecked. I doubt WOW cares much lol. But, BF1 and Fallout 4,and games like KDC show massive improvements.

People use to always say, only get a i7 if you do encoding and things like that. I don't think this saying holds water at all. If your a gamer at all a i7 is a pretty good idea.

 

Maybe they just figure people with the cash and desire for better performance are not going to spend their money on it because of the BGA CPU. Apparently, they only want the money of customers that are willing to settle for whatever they can get and call it good enough.

 

very interesting video. Curious to see 8950HK overclocked soon enough in gaming vs 7820hk

 

7820HK single thread boost is 3.9Ghz with 4 cores? So, 6 cores with a 4.8Ghz boost? This seems backwards no? I imagine its a snappy feeling machine especially if we could achieve like 5.3Ghz on the (1) core. Maybe 230 in R15 single thread?

 

thats not really how it works. the single core boost rarely works because window itself runs parallel threads and when more than 1 running, which happens often, single core turbo just falls off. basically we either make sure turbo boost 3.0 max work properly, or we overclock every core to the highest frequency possible.

 

OOOH!!! https://www.anandtech.com/show/1260...-mobile-iris-plus-desktop-chipsets-and-vpro/2

Mobile Core i9s! Because Desktop i9s just weren't enough already.


Directly from AnAndTech - I'm not, in any way, trying to have a go at Anandtech. I'm just mildly criticising what Intel is doing.

The Flagship Mobile Core i9-8950HK
with Intel Thermal Velocity Boost
The peak of Intel’s mobile binning strategy for the Spring 2018 launch is the new Intel Core i9-8950HK. It sits atop the mobile CPU stack with six cores, a high base frequency, a high turbo frequency, an even higher turbo based on thermals, and support for overclocking [1]. Intel calls this its highest-performance mobile 8th Gen Intel Core processor, focused on no-compromise gaming, VR, and content creation. Ultimately the marketing comes across as this is a desktop replacement (DTR) processor [2] for those that need big and beefy mobile systems with one or two high-end graphics cards: the sort of DTR laptops that weigh several pounds.

[1] = Hooray!! More throttling, higher voltages, and unrealistically high and equally level of difficulty in attaining/sustaining turbo clocks.
[2] Intel, no.


Still using the HD 630? You mean reusing the integrated GPU that was introduced 3 years ago on Skylake, 2 generations ago? Oh wait I forgot nobody uses your integrated GPUs

Yup. Assuming the 15W 8250U uses 15W at its base clock 1.6GHz and 44W at its 3.4 turbo clock we can kind of guess that the 45W 8950HK will use 45W at 2.9GHz and 90-100W at its maximum turbo.

I'm beginning to see a pattern. My 15W Intel Core i5-8250U is basically a 45W 7700HQ but with a 15W TDP. And now the 8950HK turns out to just be a 91W 7700K under a 45W TDP

Ok I previously thought Intel was making good chips but manufacturers were mucking things up. Now Intel is making everything confusing and leaving far too many things allowed to be controlled by the manufacturer. Intel is letting manufacturers ruin their chips.

We are going to see the 8950HK be put into laptops that can't utilize this new Intel TVB thing.

Why in the world is Intel balatantly selling chips that can guzzle 2-3x the power of their TDP? IMO this just puts unnecessary strain on hardware components as manufacturers are lazy and rate their critical power components (VRMs, Power supplies, etc) to the CPu's TDP. Putting 2-3x the load on the power components isn't going to be doing anything to help. Dell's XPS can't handle the 8550U at max core clocks for more than 2 seconds before locking the CPU down to 800MHz.

 

I think the chip is built to support over-hyped advertising to gullible people that never read the fine print and do not know that they will never see advertised clock speeds because their shiny new laptop is incapable of being kept cold enough to do that. It is truly ridiculous to put it nicely.

 

See my post.

What is all this talk about Turbo Boost 3.0 or single boost overclock? Even though we are talking about i9 BGA Scam or Mainstream Intel chips (BGA-LGA) in this thread.... Turbo Boost 3.0 has never been implemented in mainstream chips. And single core overclock is a joke. Put all cores equal and you'll get your single thread boost clocks all the time.


Intel’s Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB) Functionality
The Intel Thermal Velocity Boost feature is supported by the Intel Core i9-8950HK and Xeon E-2186M processors. It is designed to increase performance of both, multi-threaded and single-threaded workloads. The maximum core frequency is achieved while the processors is at a temperature of 50C or lower and turbo power budget is available. Frequencies are expected to reduce over time as the processor temperature increases.

You see... The new single boost overclock tech is heavly Crippled by Intel for this new i9 BGA chips.

 

Aorus X9 (Coffee Lake) Review
Published on Apr 4, 2018
The Aorus X9 is the first gaming laptop we’ve tested with an Intel Core i9 CPU. Read the full review here: https://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/lap...

Asus ROG Zephryus M Gets Intel Coffee Lake Boost
Published on Apr 4, 2018
The second iteration of the Asus ROG Zephryus is swinging for the fences with an 8th Gen Intel processor and a full-fledged Nvidia GPU.

MSI GS65 Stealth Thin: A Lean, Mean Gaming Machine
Published on Apr 4, 2018
Equipped with an Intel 8th Gen processor and a Nvidia Max-Q GPU, the MSI GS65 Stealth Thin can handle gaming and multitasking with ease.

 

I do. even more depressed because i have a macbook pro

 

doesnt apple usually gimp their cpus?

 

I don’t feel to bad anymore. The 8950HK will never stay under 50C. These cpus do well, but we will be further power limited to do what we want with them.

Sure I’d take one. But my current cpu is no slouch.

I’m just ready for next gen gpu!

 

maybe.. the worst thing i notice is i can't configure it with throttlestop in bootcamp

 

You got Aorus recently, right? It was known that the new CPUs would be out soon.
About the velocity boost, it is just a marketing gimmick for intel to be able to say (up to 4.8GHz), when in fact is up to 4.6GHz on one core and in practice 4.3GHz for all six cores. It should overclock fine (not like a K of course), independently of the terminal velocity boost thingy, with the usual EC/BIOS limitations by the the OEMs and the thermal limitations of their designs.

Enviado de meu Pixel 2 usando Tapatalk

 

Well @Mobius 1 @Vistar Shook I did what you said and submitted my result and got #1 7820HK in the world in cinebench. But um... @Papusan is vomiting again. And I'm thread crapping. But at least it doesn't throttle. The EC just shuts the laptop off.

I want to see the bios of the i9 8950HK. Maybe the terminal velocity boost can be disabled if its controlled by Bios? I wish I had systems to test.

 

Just take a small loan of a billion dollars

You can repay that easily by shilling for BGA systems on subpar review sites

 

LOL !!!!