Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake

MSI 15.6" GT63 Titan Notebook GT63 TITAN-046 - $2,599
Expected availability: Mon Apr 16
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1398469-REG/msi_gt63_titan_046_15_6_gt63_titan_notebook.html

• 3.9 GHz Intel Core i7-8750H Six-Core
• 16GB DDR4 | 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB HDD
• 15.6" 1920 x 1080 120 Hz G-Sync Display
• NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 (8GB GDDR5X)
• SD/SDHC/SDXC Media Card Reader
• 802.11ac Wi-Fi | Bluetooth 5.0
• USB Type-C | HDMI | Mini DisplayPort
• RGB Backlit Keyboard
• Windows 10 Pro (64-Bit)

There are 3 models, here's a comparison:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/compare/MSI_15.6"_GT63_Titan_Notebook_vs_MSI_15.6"_GT63_Titan_Notebook_vs_MSI_15.6"_GT63_Titan_Notebook/BHitems/1398468-REG_1398469-REG_1398470-REG

B&H comparison has the -048 with a 1070, and according to MSI the -048 model has a 1080 - the B&H product page for the -048 has the GPU correctly listed as the GTX 1080.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1398468-REG/msi_gt63_titan_048_15_6_gt63_titan_notebook.html

And, there is a 3rd GTX 1080 model listed on the MSI US site, GT63 TITAN-052 (besides the -046 and -048)
https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT63-Titan-Intel-8th-Gen/Specification

 

Asus ROG Announces Intel 8th Gen CPU Gaming laptops

Published on Apr 3, 2018
Manila, Philippines – April 3, 2018 – ASUS Republic of Gamers (ROG) in a closed event today unveiled an 8th generation Intel Core Processor refresh for its entire line up featuring Quad and Hexa-Core processors paired 120hz and 144hz across the entire range. The 8th generation Core i5-8300H now features 8 threads, compared to its 7th generation i5-7300HQ which did not feature hyperthreading. The 8th Generation Core i7 processor, meanwhile, gets its core count boosted to 6 cores and it’s thread count to 12 for a performance boost of over 23%, in the form of the I7-8850H. Lastly, a new Core i9-8950HK Mobile Processor was also announced with a staggering 4.8 GHz single core boost speed and 12MB of L3 Cache for those who want unlimited mobile power in their devices. The Core i9-8950HK was featured inside the New Chimera G703 in Intel’s worldwide launch.
In terms of product range, ASUS announced a new ROG Zephyrus M laptop alongside the new Asus TUF Gaming FX series. Meanwhile, the Chimera G703, Zephyrus GX501, and Strix GL503/GL703 gain performance upgrades to both compute power, display output, ROG gaming software and Aura Sync Compatibilities.

ROG Zephyrus M - The Ultra Responsive 144Hz, 3ms Display | ROG

 

Six Core Aorus x5, X7 and x9 - Fastest Gaming Notebooks. First Look !
Published on Apr 3, 2018
Today Aorus launches their new Coffee Lake Six gaming laptops. The x5, x7 and x9 have the Coffee lake six core CPUs i7 8850H and i9 8950HK. Both can be overclocked. All come with a 144 Hz FHD IPS pantone display.

First Look! Gigabyte Aero 15 & 15x - 6 Core Coffee Lake -H CPU !!
Published on Apr 3, 2018
Gigabyte launches their Coffee Lake - H six core Aero 15 and 15x today. With a six core i7 8750H CPU and either a GTX 1060 or GTX 1070 max-Q .
New this year is a 144 Hz IPS FHD Pantione display.

New 12 Thread MOBILE CPUs! Intel's New Processors Explained
Published on Apr 3, 2018
Intel is expanding their Coffee Lake and Kaby Lake R lineups with a TON of new processors! Among those is a 12 thread i9 CPU for gaming notebooks, new desktop processors, an expanded low power CPUs and some cool new Optane features. Let's try to explain how it all links together.....

 

Then it's confirmed. My perfectly clear and correct analysis ended as expected. See also http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...950h-coffee-lake.810891/page-21#post-10696724

For the records... My other analysis that said Intel would put 45W TDP for i9-8950HK was also 100% correct. And it's up to the OEM how they will let them run (45 → 65w). Or shall we say tune them?

You got finally your answers. I was correct from the beginning.

 

$500 premium for the i9-8950HK over the i7-8850H, on the MSI GT75 with all else the same.

 

Links? Where have you seen them for sale, which models?
https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GT75-Titan-Intel-8th-Gen/Specification

It's cool that MSI has GT75 models with all 3 new 8th gen H CPU's, the 8950H, 8850H, and 8750H, so it's going to be a fun platform to see how much performance each CPU sku can deliver with similar resources for cooling and power.

 

These New Gaming Laptops are 50% Faster!
Published on Apr 3, 2018
Coffee Lake H gaming laptops are here!!! These 6-core laptops are the best gaming laptops yet. The hexa-core Aero 15X, MSI GS65 and the GM501 reviews will be coming soon. Stay tuned!

 

The Alienware 15 & 17 (2018) | 8th Gen Intel Processors, Cryo-Tech V2.0 and more!

Published on Apr 3, 2018
The wait is finally over! The new Alienware 15 and 17 with 8th Gen Intel Coffeelake processors are here - And they come in black!

We're launching on 4/3 in North America with a Black Alienware 15 and a Silver Alienware 17 for those who want to order now! New configurations coming 4/10!
Check them out now:
Alienware 15: https://dell.to/2GxmYbU
Alienware 17: https://dell.to/2H7wZ0y

We've also implemented Cryo-Tech V2.0 with a vapor chamber to keep those 6 cores running cool.

This is also the first appearance of the NEW Alienware Command Center - Change themes, customize your lights, game settings, and take control of your performance all in one spot!

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The premium for the i9-8950 over the 8850H in the Asus G703 is around $150 though.

 

This is how Intel will try to push out most possible i9-8950HK chips into all types notebook chassis.

Now it's up to the OEM's how to tune the performance vs chassis used. How hard they will Cripple the performance ain't Intel's problem. It's delivered by specifications (cTDP 35w-45w)
Intel's Kaby Lake Branding Confounds, But The Real Devil Is In The TDP Details

All chips will ship with a 45W TDP while the flagship parts will be configurable down to 35W.


i7-8750Hq Cinebench R15 results vary from 966cb and up to 1168cb. But how long will boost run before scores will jump down?


Same Cpu behavior from new 6 core Coffee i7 BGA as the 8t gen low powered U series processors. One single round with Cinebench was all you got before the power seeping out as the air from a punctured balloon

 

As expected from the TDP limit, but even after throttling it performs considerably better than the 4 core HQ.

 

For 3700 for the new Alienware, I certainly hope they fixed the thermal issues with the Crypto-Tech V.2.

 

These New Gaming Laptops are 50% Faster!

 

BGA will never be equal to LGA in terms of silicon quality and OC headroom.

 

What did you expect? It's 50% more cores.

The Core i9-8950HK is the only product that will have the Core i9 branding, although unlike the Core i9 products for the high-end desktop, the only things here that separates the Core i9s to the Core i7s are the frequency, the new Thermal Velocity Boost, the overclocking, and the L3 cache per core.

Thermal Velocity Boost
Intel’s Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB) Functionality
The Intel Thermal Velocity Boost feature is supported by the Intel Core i9-8950HK and Xeon E-2186M processors. It is designed to increase performance of both, multi-threaded and single-threaded workloads. The maximum core frequency is achieved while the processors is at a temperature of 50C or lower and turbo power budget is available. Frequencies are expected to reduce over time as the processor temperature increases.

When it comes to performance numbers, Intel is saying a 29% overall performance boost for the new Core i9 compared to a 7th Gen Core i7 H-series flagship chips. This with 50% more cores!!

How many notebooks will have cooling who can hold the processor near the 50C target in prolonged load? The Thermal Velocity Boost looks more like a Big Joke. Intel hadn't other chices than put it in. On top chrage premium for it.

With Win 10 Pro and Dell's Premium Support/warranty.

 

If MSI doesn't allow disabling of this TERMINAL VELOCITY BOOST in the 8950HK and allow "full" manual overclocking ability like in the 7820HK, so then it functions like a 8700K with leprosy, (like how the 7820HK functioned compared to the 7700K) rather than like a horse with its legs chopped off, I think I'm going to be in the hospital vomiting for a week.

AND YOU KNOW THE EC IS STILL GOING TO RESTRICT MAXIMUM CURRENT TOO.

@Papusan

 

Just read that they will offer the i9 in the XPS 15, will be very interesting to see that CB15 graph in notebookcheck.

 

Fun times for sure! Looking forward to more colorful vomit from Papusan and Mr Fox
I'm depresed after seeing all these...uh...new terms for cancer. I'd order a P870 TM-G from @Donald@HIDevolution tomorrow if it had 8 cores instead of 6. MOAR CORES....

Or maybe I'll brick my MSI laptop EC so I can......

 

So no 15" option with a i9 8950HK. I have to wonder if the 7820HK will outperform the 8750H, due to the higher clocks, in gaming.

 

IF AND ONLY IF, the game uses 6 cores/ 12 threads! Yes, the 8750 or 8850H or whatever abortion is being made will outperform a 4 ghz 7820HK.. But if the game is NOT using more than 8 threads, then no. An unlocked 7820HK with a small overclock will perform better. Cinebench uses all 6 cores and 12 threads even loaded. How many games use more than 4 threads? I think only Battlefield 1 and GTA5 are capable of that.

We need to see retail chips in consumers hands to see the cinebench scores when Power Limit 1 45W is reached. According to the graph, the throttling shows speeds equal to a 7820HK @ 4.7 ghz. But it doesn't say what the TDP is. Could be power limit 2 or power limit 1. It doesn't say. Because PL2 is 62W and PL1 is 45W (TDP).

 

The Aorus refresh has the 8850H and it says overclockable.....I thought only the i9 was unlocked...hum.

 

Same as before... It will jump down to PL1 after a single round Cinebench R15.

See under Unlocked.

 

Partially unlocked...yeah, that clears it up.

 

With the new Nvidia GPUs coming out in the summer, I imagine we can expect another refresh late summer/fall with updated GPUs on the coffee lake platform.

 

Indeed, for gaming laptops, the GPU update is always the best wait.

 

And, the Coffee Lake 8c/16t desktop CPU's will be around that time, IDK how much longer it will be for the mobile parts, but that should be fun trying to cool in a laptop

MSI better get their engineers working on the GT83 => GT85 project going and get the unlocked 8 core CPU running at full performance for delivery into the USA.

 

Until we get a die shrink, I do not hold out much hope for 8 core options...

 

Who knows at this point, 14nm++ Coffee Lake S, 10nm Cannon Lake, 10nm Ice Lake, or... nothing from Intel for 8c/16t mobile...

Maybe AMD will need to lead the way for Intel, once again.

 

There are two problems with this:

1. Scaling - the math does not work. You get roughly half the performance gain expected from the added core count.
2. Thermal Velocity Boost - seems like a scam almost like GeFarts series 10 GPUs, only worse. What I mean by this is that full boost clock is never realized at normal operating temperatures. It's an irrelevant spec on paper with no practical application. When was the last time you saw full tilt CPU core load temperatures on a laptop, (or most liquid cooled desktops for that matter,) running at 50°C or lower?

This is much like bragging about being able to idle at 5.0GHz when it is not benchable above 4.7GHz, or throttles to stock clocks (or less) under load. The 5.0GHz overclock is meaningless if all you are doing is sitting idle on the desktop... worthless marketing gimmicks as presented.

 

When laptops nowadays already idle above 50c?

 

Exactly! If it walks like a scam, talks like a scam, smells like a scam... guess what it is... LOL.

NVIDIA helped set the stage for this kind of nonsense with their Pascal "room temperature throttling" scam. I can see a purpose for it at 90°C or higher. But, not at 50°C, or 60, 70 or 80°C.

 

The melodious name "Thermal Velocity Boost" was The Mobile i9 answers on HEDT processors Intel® Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0. The only option Intel had to push SCAM up the price point for 8950HK vs. the 6 core i7 or previous HK processors. I have said this before... What BGA gamingbook out there can offer good enough cooling so the i9 BGA can utilize max boost in full load and below or around 50C in prolonged maxed workflow? None!! A useless feature who main goal was push up price. On top is this new tech even worse than not to have it. Now we will see more weird firmware/software/driver crippling solutions who shall maintain/monitor the power capacity utilization. Meant to Kill the Max Power draw. Or in better words... Use whatever they have to Kill the Max Turbo Boost.

 

This 8950HK is awesome! I don't like that it wont be in the next X7 V7. This is very disappointing. We are forced to buy the X9 for $3,900.

Going to have to wait until next gen GPU's are out. Then upgrade all in one swing.

The 8950K really gets 211 Single thread? And 1,250 Multi threaded?

I want one!

 

I get the idea behind pascal's gradual scaling, temperature slightly increases the voltage requirement for stability so dropping clocks acts to offset that. Whether 13mhz per (iforget) degrees is in the ballpark of what's required I don't know, but at least there's a justification behind it.

This sub 50C thing is a total crock to inflate a max boost spec for marketing purposes. I'm gonna hate on Intel that little bit more every time I see someone brag that their i9 mobile boosts higher than a 8700k......

 

FTFY, brother Fox !

BTW I suggest all of you look at Mr Fox's and Papusan's posts from 6 months to a year ago. He said this would happen. He said it was only going to get worse. And how many people didn't believe it? And look what's happening now. He turned out to be 100% correct.

Now the question is if this terminal velocity boost can be DISABLED in the Bios or not, or if it can be disabled in unlocked Bios Menus (like MSI Bios unlock by SVET). And then see if this 8950HK can act like a bad binned cancer of a 8700K or not, when all overclocking restraints are removed. And then you have to deal with if MSI decided to cancer limit the CPU current amps in the Embedded Controller again or not......

 

A full review of Coffee Lake H on 4 different laptops:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel...A-worthy-upgrade-from-Kaby-Lake.293900.0.html

Anandtech (interesting take on velocity boost + info on new coffee lake mobile chipsets):
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1260...-mobile-iris-plus-desktop-chipsets-and-vpro/2

Clevo P950ER from Origin PC, i7 8750H. It's a really bad implementation of a 1070 MQ in P950HP6 chassis because it throttles and only offers +25% more performance vs a 1060 instead of the usual +45%.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12609/origin-pc-evo15s-gaming-laptop

Completely unrelated, but a very interesting article about Apple abandoning Intel CPUs for their own ARM chips:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Bloom...tel-for-its-own-silicon-by-2020.294472.0.html

 

Agreed. Clevo's tiny sample of LGA notebooks is the last ray of hope left for us. At least Clevo are prairie dogging BGA as much as they can to slow the flow of the filth. At some point they may not be able to continue their brown capping because they are surrounded by their degenerate competitors that are so willing to embrace the crap.

 

TLDR of Notebookcheck article:
The 2 laptops that were stress tested in CB R15 plateaued between 1050-1150cb. The i7 8750H is anywhere between 45% - 55% faster than the i7 7700HQ in CB R15. In 3DMark Firestrike (combined), the performance gain was between 7% - 9% thus suggesting the fps gain in non-cpu bound games (which is most games) to be limited.

Personally, I think this represents an excellent performance increase instead of the usual meagre 5%-10% performance gain we usually see from generation to generation (I'm looking at you Kaby Lake). If you're just gaming, this will probably have a limited performance improvement, but we'll have to wait for gaming benchmarks. For other tasks like video encoding and rendering, it's probably worth an upgrade. Bear in mind that many programs use the GPU to accelerate rendering (e.g. premiere pro (Nvidia only) and Blender), so in those cases, performance gains will not be as high as the synthetic benchmarks.

I think that the greatest winners out of this upgrade will be budget gaming laptops between $700 and $1000. You'll be able to get i7 7700HQ performance from an i5 8300H and for less money too. Kaby Lake i5 7300HQ laptops tended to be at least $100 cheaper than an equivalent i7 model sometimes even $200+ cheaper.

 

This reviewer don't even post or know correct scores for stock clocked 7700K and 8700K. Maybe he have run those tests himself and didn't know how to put default clocks? @Mr. Fox Not all reviewer out there is on net.


Stock clocked i7-7700K


Stock clocked i7-8700K (Clevo P870TM)

 

did you guys got the information about MSI GE63 8RE (GTX1060) / GE63 8RF (GTX1070) ? both of them will coming with thunderbolt 3 enable right ?

 

I agree, the 6 core options do offer some nice performance gains in certain areas, but gaming will not be one of them. Best bet is to wait for the GPU refresh unless you need a system asap.

 

The 8950HK may not compare exactly to a 8700K. But, its still a lot of power in a thin notebook. It is still a 6 core CPU. And we needed faster single core speeds than a 7820Hk and it’s achieved that across to the average user who’s not pushing super high single thread overclocks

I mean if you want better overclocking why not go Z370 Clevo or Sager and just use a delidded 8700K?

Sure the 8950Hk may be limited in some ways, but isn’t this what laptops do in general?

I’d say if you want extreme go P870 delidded 8700K. And the next best thing is a 8950hk in something slimmer. If none of that works for you, then you’ve met your limit with a laptop.

 

I don't think I posted it yet, so thanks for the heads up

https://us.msi.com/Laptop/GE63-Raider-RGB-Intel-8th-Gen/Specification

 

I felt something wrong about what he said in the video, thanks for clarification.

 

ROG Zephyrus M GM501 OVERVIEW

Published on Apr 3, 2018
Take a look at the the #ROG Zephyrus M -the world’s slimmest gaming laptop to use both full-power NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 graphics and an 8th Generation Intel Core i7 processor.

For more information head over to:
Website: http://bit.ly/ZephyrusMGM501
Get it here: http://store.asus.com/us/item/201803A...

 

The issue is that we are going backwards, not forwards. The 7820HK was capable of 4.9 ghz SUSTAINED on all cores, provided the cancer MSI GT73VR EC doesn't limit the current going to the chip without shutting the goddamned laptop off. Because that's exactly what happened. I've made multiple posts about it now.

if you haven't put this line into your deepest nightmares, you should:

CPU_CrtT = 1.CPU_ThtlT = 1.CPU_ThtlT = 0.SYS_CrtT = 1.SYS_ThtlT = 1.SYS_ThtlT = 0

Change the 1 to a 0 and then you can do 5 ghz.
Too bad there is no way to change the 1 to a 0 without bricking the embedded controller. Unless someone who had a spare random 'bench' system and a SPI programmer sitting around could test that by hex editing the firmware and seeing if ECFlashwin_041 will even run, and if it does, if the laptop fails to boot afterwards.

@Vistar Shook 's BGAbook doesn't have the EC restriction on the CPU current, because it has an unavoidable 70W TDP power limit. The people at eVGA never thought anyone would ever bypass 70W, so they didn't bother coding an amps limit. But they also didn't think anyone would be able to access hidden Bios menus and access the IMON SLOPE setting, to make the CPU report less than 1/2 its actual power draw. So he was able to push the CPU up to the absolute limit of 4.8 ghz, when it would not be stable at 4.9 ghz even at 1.45v. So he found the true limit of his hardware.

I'm unable to because I can do 4.9 ghz at 1.380v UNTIL THE EC SHUTS THE LAPTOP OFF because the current draw is too high. PUBG works fine but not cinebench, not for more than 1 or 2 runs.
Turn CPU_CRT = 1 to CPU_CRT = 0 without a brick, and bam: i'm catching up to brother @Papusan at 5 ghz at 1.45v.

If we were going forwards, then the 8950HK would also be capable of 5 ghz if it was just badly binned 8700K. But it seems that UNLESS its a bios option limiting things, we won't even be able to push these chips.

of course I'm crazy. I'm always crazy.

 

Intel 8th Gen Core i9 mobile platform unveil at April 2018 Event
i9 mobile release at 22:40

Published on Apr 3, 2018
Intel unveils the all-new 8th Generation Core i9 processor for Laptops within Intel’s Special Event on April 2, 2018. Gaming laptops with Core i9 CPU demonstrate amazing performance with huge potential to creativity. This is the full version of Intel’s Special Launch Event on April 2, 2018.
Source: intel.com

Intel Core i9 Processor Comes to Mobile: The Best Gaming and Creation Laptop Processor Intel Has Ever Built
April 3, 2018
https://newsroom.intel.com/news/int...g-creation-laptop-processor-intel-ever-built/

"Today at a global event in Beijing, Intel unveiled the first ever Intel® Core™ i9 processor for laptops. Part of the new lineup of high-performance mobile products unveiled, the powerful 8th Gen Intel Core i9 processor is the highest-performance laptop processor Intel has ever built to deliver the best gaming and content creation experience on the go.

Building on the arrival of the new Intel Core i9 processor for mobile, Intel also announced a new Intel Core platform extension that brings together the benefits of 8th Gen Intel Core processors with Intel® Optane™ memory, rounded out its family of high-performance desktop CPUs and chipsets that deliver modern standby and ambient computing capabilities, and shared new details on the 8th Gen Intel® Core™ vPro™ platform.

Delivering the ultimate gaming and content creation experience

Spoiler: Details...

The new 8th Gen Intel Core i9, i7 and i5 processors for laptops are based on the Coffee Lake platform and leverage the 14nm++ process technology enabling them to deliver up to 41 percent more frames per second in gameplay1 or edit 4K video up to 59 percent faster than the previous generation with same discrete graphics.2

At the top of the stack, the 8th Gen Intel Core i9-8950HK processor is optimized to push the limits of performance. It is the first mobile Intel processor with six cores and 12 threads. It comes fully unlocked and features the new Intel Thermal Velocity Boost (TVB), which opportunistically and automatically increases clock frequency up to 200 MHz if the processor temperature is low enough and turbo power budget is available. This translates to a turbo frequency of up to 4.8 GHz.

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As the PC gaming industry rapidly grows, Intel has seen increasing demand for incredibly fast laptops that can provide desktop-like performance for an immersive and responsive experience, including the ability to stream and record without compromising gameplay while still enabling portability.

But, performance goes beyond gaming. Thanks to the rapid pace of technology innovation, the industry has broadened the access to all types of content and how people create it. It has radically redefined what creativity means, and as content has become richer and more immersive, the level of performance needed to both consume and create that content has also increased. This 8th Gen Intel Core processor family provides a powerful mobile platform for creators. In addition, the new highest-performance 8th Gen Intel Core mobile processors’ single- and multi-threaded performance allows users to enjoy the smoothest and highest-quality mobile VR and new Windows* Mixed Reality Ultra experiences.

The highest-performance 8th Gen Intel Core mobile processor family also adds a new Intel® 300 Series Chipset, which adds integrated Gigabit Wi-Fi for a blazing-fast connection that is capable of being up to 2 times faster than standard 2×2 802.11AC 80 MHz (867 Mbps).3

Intel Optane memory: now on 8th Gen Intel Core mobile and desktop platforms

Intel Optane memory is a smart and adaptable system accelerator for desktop and mobile platforms, increasing the performance and responsiveness of SATA-based storage technology without compromising storage capacity.

Now, Intel Optane memory is available across both 8th Gen Intel Core mobile and desktop platforms. Additionally, Intel has released a new Data Drive Acceleration feature that delivers a boost to a large secondary HDD data drive. This powerful combination provides up to 4.7 times the game loading4 and 1.7 times faster media loading.5 See more on Data Drive Acceleration.

Consumers will also begin to see a new platform extension with Intel Core i5+, i7+ and i9+ badges on select systems, starting with today’s high-performance 8th Gen Intel Core mobile processors and desktop processors. This indicates they are purchasing a device that has the combination of Intel Core performance with the acceleration of Intel Optane memory.

Additional information

• New 8th Gen Intel Core Processors Come to the Intel vPro Platform: Built for Business
• 8th Gen Intel Core mobile processor product overview
• 8th Gen Intel Core press deck
• 8th Gen Intel Core press kit "

See site for more details...

 

For gaming, I'm pretty impressed by the progress the i5 has made. Hyper threading and a large shot in the arm in single core perf (I play a lot of WoW, so I *need* that).

Still seems too early for gaming and a 12 threaded CPU, though. Can't muster much interest in i7/i9.

 

Core i7-8850H’s partial unlock allows for DRAM overclocking and a 400MHz CPU overclock, but not more.

 

That's not a whole lot...