Intel Core i7-8750H/ i7-8850H/ i9-8950H Coffee Lake

Lost my #1 spot...

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@Vistar Shook Wait it was you I bumped off?
Oh boy

We should contact MSI and eVGA and see if we can get a free loaner i9 system to review, benchmark then unlock the Bios and hack the EC (since both of us have SPI programmers, right?)

 

Do you have skypro or tl866?

 

@Mobius 1 Skypro and II. I have the skypro II but I broke the LCD screen trying to install the battery module in it that I bought from ebay. Still works but no screen. So I just use the skypro 1.

 

I've always recommended buying the biggest and baddest platform with the most CPU + RAM you can afford if you care about time, productivity and/or longevity of your purchase.

Today; if your budget allows; an i7 is not just a good idea - it is the minimum needed for most consumer workloads. If even one of your workflows needs more, an i7 based platform is an anchor around your neck...

All notebook gpu's are bottlenecked by their 'notebook' processors when compared to desktops - everything below a CPU in a given platform needs said CPU to achieve their pinnacle performance. This includes RAM, GPU's, SSD's, HDD's and everything else attached directly or indirectly to a CPU.

On their own, high clocks don't make up for too few threads/cores, less cache and less optimized cache (less will always get you less in all aspects of productivity) and not to mention a newer/better/later/newer manufacturing process (and other optimizations) when and where available.

And to be sure; even the lower end GPU's are aided with higher end CPU's - with at least extending their time of usability (albeit with lower end games/settings) - if not actually increasing their performance in a significant way...

 

I’m just glad I didn’t pay retail. $1700 bucks with the full 2 year warranty and 4K panel. I’m not hurtin to bad.

 

I don’t think anymore cpu would make my gtx1070 faster. It’s bordering a stock desktop gtx1080 as it is.

 

I'll support this. Since the unlocked TDP 8250U is almost identical in terms of performance to the 7700HQ, I'm in the latter. I have a low end GPU (MX150) paired with a mobile Core i5.

THe difference really isn't noticeable if you aren't gaming. That's the thing. I used to own the i5-6200U, then switched to the 6500U. Did I notice any difference in daily tasks? Absolutely not. Did I notice any difference in games? No. But that's because my laptop was severely bottlenecked by its low end dGPUs (920M and 945M respectively). when playing Euro Truck Simulator my CPUs were literally iding at 800MHz whilst my GPUs were fully loaded.

 

I would agree with you (more) when we limit the choices to mobile CPU's...

However big or small an improvement we'll see in gaming is not the point. A faster, more capable platform (CPU+RAM) will give a more effortless performance of all other peripherals in a given system.

A desktop GTX 1080 (even stock) also benefits from an overclocked platform (CPU+RAM) in any case as well...

 

Did you mod the tdp of your gtx1070 to get that kind of performance?

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No, its just a really good chip I think. I can run the memory at nearly effective 10Ghz. It runs really cool and always maintains a really really high boost. it is a 150 Watt version. This GPU does not exceed 58C in 1080P gaming. And 65C average in 4K. It runs abnormally cool on standard paste and cooling.

Best ive gotten in firestrike is 16,375 overall. right at about 20,400 graphics.

Some Desktop GTX1070's can do a little better, or some of the Clevo, or MSI MXM GTX1070's

Its still no GTX1080. But, it performs much better than a MAX Q version. And comes close to a stock desktop 1080.

Now with my old GTX1080 FE in my desktop. I could push that even further. I had modified its PCB, and had liquid metal on the die.

I'm fortunate it does overclock well, and run cool. every bit is needed to run 4K games natively.

 

Dave Lee's MSI GS 65 CFL review

 

Wow, 20k graphics is really really good, didn't know that Aorus shipped theirs with a 150W vBios. Nice.

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Yes I'm definitely getting another Aorus when next gen GPU's come out, if I don't get a Sager Or Clevo.

I just hate they only offer the 8950HK in the X9 only. it makes no sense, the X5, X7, and X9 all had a 7820HK in them lol.

 

So let's see.
@Vistar Shook gets a laptop without a cancer EC but with a cancer Bios that requires unlocking and some sorcery to bypass the 70W "let's ignore the power limit 1 unlocked limit and lock everyone to 70W" cancer and push his 7820HK to its absolute limits, while @tps3443 gets a laptop with a non cancer GTX 1070 running at full desktop power, but with some sort of restriction on how far the 7820HK can be pushed?

Meanwhile I can run at 4.9 ghz until the EC thinks I'm pulling too much current at too high of a temp and shuts the laptop off, while trying to make the magic smoke come out of my GTX 1070 at 200W TDP since I had to hard mod it from the 115W cancer.

Why don't both of you just get the upcoming Cannon Lake 8 core Clevos with Prema mods and compete with each other for 5.3 ghz?
You know...compromise? Have a few beers?

 

People forget... More and more will be locked down or crippled in one way or another. Not sure you will be able to unlocking the firmware. Aka you are screwed with what you got.. See f.eks unlocked 8950Hk can't be pushed past 70/80W or whatever limit they will try to put. Unlocked BGA = Worth zero. How many of you run unlocked firmware on the new Alienwares?

 

If I could get my hands on a X7 V7 DT power supply id be much happier. it can provide about 25 more watts of juice. The firmware limit is the same between both laptops of max board power it can draw. non DT, or DT. They just include the smaller one with the 1070 variants so they cant run past and destroy a DT model with a GTX1080. Even though I'm already matching it with the 255 watt adapter.

And apparently the 255 watt version is more expensive and high quality. While the 265 watts version is cheaper and built by a much worse company with much worse quality.



The manufacturers try to limit you in any way they can!

I guess it could be worse. Well, Ive had my run around with my first laptop ever while moving away from a desktop. BGA is still pretty good. But, I may just go LGA laptop next tax time! I assume 8 cores, and ampere will be settled in by this time.

 

Hey since the 8850H and 8750H are locked, can we still bclk overclock them in XTU?

I’m experimenting with this now on my 7820HK. I’m just trying to push my DDR4 as fast as possible.

 

A firestrike post would be nice.

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Indeed it is getting crazy how the OEM's are implementing myriad ways to cripple what one can do with their cpus and gpus, on top of what intel and nvidia already do from the factory. All in the name of thinner and lighter and greater battery life, but at a premium cost (i9? Really?)

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So guys, how about we take down one of the Cancer OEM's?
Anyone want to try their mettle at cracking an EC firmware? or did I thread jack too much?

 

For it to be classified as a i9, and not be a (10) core it should be binned or something, or like that perfect golden sample. If it was the top 1% of all silicon, of all 8th gen bga’s maybe then it would be worth the price premium over what the 7820hk sku costed.

Intel is confusing further with these marketing gimmicks. Last year you could have a i7 that costed $300 or one that was $1,749 lol but they were both i7’s not a big deal.. So the i9 was implemented to separate that enthusiast level chip and it makes sense I guess. Your getting nothing close to a i7 desktop 8th gen. So, why call it a i9?

I’ll get a fire strike link up by tomorrow. Unfortunately I can get a higher overall with lower graphics score, and a higher graphics score with a lower overall. It’s like the scales of justice with laptops. Any preference?

 

On the subject of nomenclature, wasn't Gulftown supposed to be the first i9, until Intel decided to keep the i7 name?

 

I remember when those old i7 980X and 990X chips were pulling big money on eBay even just a few years ago, like $500-$600. But yet, a 4960X was about $450. It made no sense at all. I ended up buying a Xeon 1680 for cheap which was like the oem Mac . Cpu. Only it was a unlocked 8 core. You could run all 8 cores at nearly 5Ghz for benching, and 4.8 daily.

 

The details aren't out there yet, but both the 8750H and 8850H are reported to be OC'able via a limited unlock of multiplier as in previous generations. There may be other CPU options tuneable via BIOS or XTU/TS like RAM or Power Timeout or other settings, but probably not a complete power limit unlock as with the 8950H.

We need new owners with the production product to report their findings of what is tuneable for each CPU sku. Report what options are settable in the BIOS, and run XTU and/or TS to see what is settable.

 

Max turbo multipliers aren't the constraint on these CPUs, the power limits are. Without capable power delivery on the motherboards and unlocked turbo power/duration settings in BIOS, extra multipliers will have minor single/fewthreaded benefit

Example: those early leaked benches of i7-8750H & 8850H on a 200W power (un)limited platform, waaay outscoring the stock 56W short /45W long power i9 on multithread load

 

Recommended: Gaming Notebooks with 8th Gen Intel CPUs
Staff (Notebookcheck), 04/05/2018
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Recommended-Gaming-Notebooks-with-8th-Gen-Intel-CPUs.295836.0.html

 

Thinnest SIX CORE Gaming Laptop! – MSI GS65
Published on Apr 4, 2018

MSI GS65 Stealth Thin: First Hands-on

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rofl looks like he just ignored the post all together.

@BGA boys like danishblunt/hmscott/ionizing etc etc, BGA 6 cores just came out.. and we have this for LGA https://hardforum.com/threads/intel...-1151-6c-12t.1930226/page-110#post-1043563754 give or take 2-3 months after chip is released, we'll have them in laptop, so around September?

@lga boys

 

Intel Core i9 Processor Comes to Mobile | Intel

 

I'll buy that 8 core CFL Clevo when they release a model for it. Unless the 8 core is a drop in replacement and works with Z370.
Would be nice for the new Nvidia cards to be out by then.

 

I will wait for similar with 8+ cores.

 

That will be a long while off, probably next year before Intel 8c/16t mobile CPU's release for production.

I am expecting that new Nvidia mobile GPU's will release and ship before Intel gets 8c/16t CPU's ready for mobile.

For now the 6c/12t CPU's provide a huge productivity boost, and the Nvidia GPU's have a wider range of application to different form factors, from slim to full on high performance laptops.

I don't see a reason to wait, why not buy now and enjoy these new laptops for 12 months or more, by then the mobile 8c/16t CPU's and AMD / Nvidia mobile next gen GPU's should be put together in time for another upgrade cycle.

 

yea man, i cant wait for 8 core and its right after computex thats in June. just hoping intel wouldnt change their mind and purposely delay it like they did with 8700k

 

The huge productivity boost for 6c/12t BGA stop fast once you put other type load than a short Cinebench test.


See the Productivity boost in CBR-15 collapses like a punctured balloon.

 

@Papusan
That is pathetic.
A 6 core CPU can't even beat a 4 core in handbrake????
Welcome to 2016.

 

Max Performance Productivity boost (long term - prolonged high max workload) will be killed by Heat, PL1 limits, Power limits, Intel's new feature Thermal Velocity Boost, hardcoded power algorithms, OEM's own proprietary OC software, firmware etc. In short everything will come into this game and kill max performance.

 

It depends on the cooling solution used in the laptop. The Gigabyte Aero 15X sustains a fairly consistent Cinebench score when you run Cinebench multiple times.

The i7 8750H scores between 1110cb - 1120cb from an initial score of 1130cb, the only result where the increased PL2 value will have an effect. The dips in performance are probably down to background processes taking up CPU resources. You could get an even smoother curve by using Throttlestop to undervolt the CPU as well as a repaste.

 

Nope.
Read my post... http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...950h-coffee-lake.810891/page-56#post-10707006

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...950h-coffee-lake.810891/page-56#post-10707021

 

You said that the Coffee Lake H processors do well in short benchmarks like Cinebench R15, but poorly in extended workloads like Handbrake. If you read my previous post, it shows Cinebench R15 being run 30 times sequentially in a loop. Does that not constitute a prolonged workload? If it does, then the Aero 15X passes with flying colours as it sees only very minimal throttling.

Most of these factors apply to laptops with LGA processors as well. The fact that some Coffee Lake H processors cannot sustain their performance under load is not down to Intel designing bad silicon, but poor cooling solutions and bad software/firmware on part of notebook manufacturer. You could an i7 8700K in any notebooks, but if it has a locked BIOS and poor cooling it will throttle just as badly as the i7 8750H in your screenshot.

 

Compare the graphs with 7700Hq. This will be the new trend!! Be you sure.

Buy P870 series laptops with Prema firmware. And you can buy binned processors if you want most out of it. Delidding etc. But You are screwed with BGA.

Fyi. Not many BGA laptops can cool +206w cpu load.

 

Even for some one with a 7820HK ? And GTX 10 series already?

 

want the 8 core so bad, hurry 9700k!!! and thanks again AMD!

 

All The New Coffee Lake-H Laptops (Updated)
by Tom's Hardware News Team April 5, 2018 at 1:20 PM
Update, 4/5/18, 2:40pm PT: Added Eurocom Q6 entry.
Update, 4/5/2018, 1:20pm PT: HP announced new laptops featuring Intel's Coffee Lake-H processors. Unlike many of the other products in this roundup, HP's wares are targeted at the general consumer and professionals, not gamers looking for thinner and lighter gaming laptops.
Original article, published 4/3/2018, 1pm PT:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-coffee-lake-h-core-i9-laptops,36810.html

"Intel announced the latest Coffee Lake-H processors in the wee hours of the morning, and OEMs were quick to reveal their latest-and-greatest laptops equipped with the new CPUs. All the usual suspects--Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, and others--contributed to the flood of product revelations. But Coffee Lake-H also prompted some other companies, like Origin PC and Samsung, to contribute their own new devices to the mix.

We're bound to see more and more of these Coffee Lake-H-equipped laptops in the future. Between these processors, Nvidia's Max-Q graphics, and AMD's efforts to push into the laptop market, the future of on-the-go gaming has never looked as powerful. (Or as sleek.) Check out the products below, and be sure to come back as we update the piece when more thin-and-light powerhouses head to market."

The rest of the article had a long list of Brands with new Coffee Lake H CPU's, and it looks like Tom's Hardware is going to try to keep it up to date, so check back daily (at least for a while) to see new Coffee Lake H laptop additions and updates.

 

Another thing to test when you get a new 8th Gen H CPU Laptop, check to see if Meltdown and Spectre are patched on the CPU or the OS, not sure how you will test for this yet as so far no CPU's from Intel are immune out of the box.

Intel has promised to include hardware fixes for Meltdown Spectre vulnerabilities by the end of 2018, so I am assuming these new 8th Gen H CPU's aren't fixed in hardware, as it's still the beginning of 2018.

Here's the Intel promise for end of 2018:

Hardware-based Protection Coming to Data Center and PC Products Later this Year
By Brian Krzanich, March 15, 2018
https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/advancing-security-silicon-level/

"... These changes will begin with our next-generation Intel® Xeon® Scalable processors (code-named Cascade Lake) as well as 8th Generation Intel® Core™ processors expected to ship in the second half of 2018. As we bring these new products to market, ensuring that they deliver the performance improvements people expect from us is critical. Our goal is to offer not only the best performance, but also the best secure performance."

You can see the whole blog post at the link above.

For now I would assume the new Intel 8th Gen H laptop CPU's are just as vulnerable to Spectre and Meltdown as every previous Intel CPU, and make sure your OS has the latest patches installed if you are concerned about security issues related to those vulnerabilities.

You can look for updates on NBR here:

CPU Vulnerabilities, Meltdown and Spectre, Kernel Page Table Isolation Patches, and more
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...page-table-isolation-patches-and-more.812424/

 

May not even get a high-end laptop. 8750H + GTX 1050 Ti. I'm not very impressed with the specs, and I've lost interest in tweaking. Still might do it, I dunno, but I want something that works.

All the power can go to my desktop with Ryzen 2 Threadripper 2950X, with which I'll have the time and space to set up a complex, powerful but privacy-ensuring set-up with an Arch KVM hypervisor and my games (if I have time for them) running in clean instances of Windows 10 LTSB.

I still don't really trust Intel after Spectre and Meltdown.

 

MSI GT75 Titan with Intel Core i9 Processor - Launched in Malaysia

 

@hmscott



No tests...No nothing

 

Yup, it could be a couple of weeks before production units get into reviewers hands for open benchmarks, along with some lucky new owners.

Until then, we can enjoy the unboxings, and previews.